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posted by martyb on Saturday February 16 2019, @08:56AM   Printer-friendly
from the Better-than-a-rat-race dept.

Is a religious group a 'race' or isn't it? Is someone 'racist' if they publicly state their dislike of a religious group? An Australian tribunal has answered this question by ruling that Muslim is not a race, and as such, a person who vilifies them in public, an act which is currently illegal in Australia, would not have broken the law.

In 2016 Sonia Kruger 'called for an end to migration from Islamic countries' saying that she wanted people to feel safe when going out to celebrate Australia day. Sam Ekermawi, a Muslim, filed a complaint to the NSW Civil and Administrative Tribunal claiming the comments were racial vilification.

The tribunal was unable to conclude Muslims living in Australia "are a 'race' by reason of a common ethnic or ethno-religious origin" and dismissed the application. This is an important milestone in the legal and cultural development of the ocean-bound nation which is still attempting to balance the melting pot of cultures and people who have migrated to the country from all over the world. This ruling may be a key threshold for defining what the word 'race' actually means in the legal and social and cultural context and how laws will be interpreted in the future.


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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Saturday February 16 2019, @01:52PM (6 children)

    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Saturday February 16 2019, @01:52PM (#802029) Journal

    Not so very insightful, IMO. Both Islam and Judaism are political entities, and both are religious entities. Both apparently worship the same God, or at least say they do. The difference between them is, Islam seeks to convert, and thus, to command you, and me, and every human on the face of the planet. Jews do not. A Muslim might kill you for any number of reasons, a Jew is unlikely to kill you except in self defense. One is a viral virus, the other is not so much. For those reasons, Judaism is pretty much confined to one ethnic group, while Islam includes people of every race, culture, ethnicity and nationality on earth.

    The funny bit about your question is, the original Jews and the original Muslims were cousins. All were Semitic.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 16 2019, @05:42PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 16 2019, @05:42PM (#802105)

    the original Jews and the original Muslims were cousins.

    Ya don't say! And here's the original "#me too" [youtube.com]

  • (Score: 2) by https on Saturday February 16 2019, @06:23PM (1 child)

    by https (5248) on Saturday February 16 2019, @06:23PM (#802118) Journal

    The Canaanites would love to agree with your middle point, but since they're dead, they can't.

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    • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Monday February 18 2019, @09:00AM

      by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Monday February 18 2019, @09:00AM (#802850) Journal

      Actually, if you were to double check, the Canaanites were NOT killed off by the Jews. They were TOLD to kill all of the Canaanites, but they didn't do so. Now, whether there are any Canaanites left living today is up for debate, but if they are all gone, it wasn't the Jews that did it.

  • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday February 16 2019, @11:14PM (1 child)

    by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Saturday February 16 2019, @11:14PM (#802234) Journal

    Judaism is the one religion that's also an ethnic group. They are very literal about being Yahweh's chosen *people,* humans, genetic stock (though they didn't have that particular concept back then). In particular, Jewishness is supposed to be passed down *matrilinearly,* which surprised me very much upon learning about it. They also generally discourage conversions, and I remember hearing some of the Chassidim back in Brooklyn outright saying that conversion to Judaism ought not to be allowed.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 17 2019, @02:40AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 17 2019, @02:40AM (#802321)

      Not the only one. Laestadians aren't quite racially homogenous, but they're close to it. Jews are just the largest and most visible/least crazy.

  • (Score: 3, Informative) by Arik on Sunday February 17 2019, @02:23AM

    by Arik (4543) on Sunday February 17 2019, @02:23AM (#802307) Journal
    Jews sought to convert for several centuries, and we were very successful at it. Then stuff changed and suddenly that wasn't allowed anymore. Kind of like how we used to have as many wives as we could afford, then some Polish Rabbi said 'they're going to kill us all if we don't change so change!' and we did. In Europe, at least.

    Mohammed sought to convert, but the Yemeni Rabbis laughed at him. A stripling, a ridiculous youth, son of a single mother, only able to act like a man inside his own tribe because his grandfather was still alive.

    I wasn't there. Maybe they really tried. But it sounds to me more like they laughed him off and made him determined to humble them. Which he did. Jews in the Hijaz either converted or died. A few might have been permitted to flee alive, I'm not sure on that.

    Semitic, btw, is a linguistic term. People of very different ancestry can share a language, and vice versa.
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