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posted by martyb on Wednesday May 29 2019, @06:21PM   Printer-friendly
from the better-late-than-never dept.

Intel's 10th Gen, 10nm Ice Lake CPUs: everything you need to know

Intel has a lot to prove. 2018 marked the chipmaker's 50th anniversary, but it was also a year that shook the company to its core. It was the year that Intel lost its CEO, struggled with Spectre and Meltdown, and reportedly lost Apple's confidence as far as chips for future Macs are concerned. Above all, it was the year the world finally realized Intel processors had hit a wall, after yet another failure to shrink its circuits down to the "10 nanometer" process node.

But now, after years of delays, the company is about to bring its first real batch[*] of 10nm CPUs to the world. Today, the company is officially taking the wraps off its 10th Gen Intel Core processors, codename "Ice Lake," and revealing some of what they might be able to do for your next PC when they ship in June.

[*] 18% IPC improvement *loud coughing* compared "against the Skylake cores the company released nearly four years ago!"

Also at AnandTech and Tom's Hardware.

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  • (Score: 2) by bzipitidoo on Wednesday May 29 2019, @09:41PM (6 children)

    by bzipitidoo (4388) on Wednesday May 29 2019, @09:41PM (#849084) Journal

    They've been pushing the thermal limits too far.

    I got a NUC, and yeah, it overheats. Most of the time it can handle CPU torture like with a distributed computing project such as GIMPS. It overheats only a couple of times per week while running that.

    But, engage those built in 3D graphics, and it'll overheat much more often and sooner-- maybe in 10 minutes, maybe in an hour.

    I also got one of those ASUS Vivosticks. Try to play a video on it, and it'll overheat in 15 minutes plus or minus 5. Hardware powered mpeg-4 decoding would be a lot nicer if it didn't overheat the CPU. So far, the NUC has had no problems with video.

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  • (Score: 3, Informative) by JoeMerchant on Wednesday May 29 2019, @11:08PM (4 children)

    by JoeMerchant (3937) on Wednesday May 29 2019, @11:08PM (#849111)

    I'm trying to use a NUC (Skylake, I think) to drive a 4K screen, and it struggles big time. The NUC is "installed" (more like laying) on the back of the screen where some of the screen electronics feed it warm air - if I fiddle it around into a cooler airstream it will handle fullscreen video a little longer, but even when set back to 1080p, it still starts glitching after a while of running Netflix or similar. Now, it will run Blender or OpenSCAD at 4K resolution all day long just fine, but when the frame rates come up it is toast - even when completely removed from the warm air input.

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    • (Score: 2) by takyon on Wednesday May 29 2019, @11:30PM (3 children)

      by takyon (881) <{takyon} {at} {}> on Wednesday May 29 2019, @11:30PM (#849112) Journal

      Smartphones, Amazon Fire TV 4K, etc. can do 4K video output. It's surprising that a NUC can't handle it.

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      • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Thursday May 30 2019, @01:58AM (2 children)

        by JoeMerchant (3937) on Thursday May 30 2019, @01:58AM (#849151)

        It's surprising that a NUC can't handle it.

        Specs say it does it, it will do it for a minute or two, sometimes 10 or 20, then it starts tearing - spurious color lines appear, sometimes rectangles of wild color shift like white -> magenta, etc. I've got another, newer NUC here, I should try an SSD swap between them and see if the newer one will handle it better. Long twisted story: the newer one was bought to drive the living room TV because the 4th gen NUC in there is starting to have pretty loud fan noise - I cleaned it, which quieted it for like a month then the fan noise returned and it didn't sound healthy, so I bought the new NUC and prepped it to take over, but there's just one app I made for the old one that's running 14.04 which won't recompile under 18.04 - ancient library called Wt makes widget apps that are accessible via http, and the old NUC still soldiers on, and I like that app (I can "press space bar" on the NUC from a webpage served on my local network - pause, resume, KODI, Netflix and others...) So... waiting for the old NUC to die, but it won't, and the 4K display in the other room is driven by a Windows 10 Skylake NUC that tears video, but we don't really watch much video in there... it's all "not quite broke" so not at a high priority for fixing, and if the newer NUC does drive the big screen without tearing, do I really care? Pretty sure I don't want to take the tearing video NUC and use it for my primary video watching screen.

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        • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Thursday May 30 2019, @07:37AM (1 child)

          by FatPhil (863) <> on Thursday May 30 2019, @07:37AM (#849214) Homepage
          Glue a coin centrally on top of the noisy fan. It'll increase the rotational inertia, and make it less prone to wobble, which is most of the loud fan noise I've encountered. Of course, it makes it harder to start too, and you don't want that failure mode.

          I don't necessarily advise this variant, but it worked for me in a sparcstation for years, I just used blu-tak to attach the coin, which permitted me to fine-tune its central location, and once it was absolutely central, there was no centrifugal force trying to remove it.
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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 30 2019, @03:08AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 30 2019, @03:08AM (#849176)

    Work got me an ultrabook (newer than skylake though; 2018 Dell XPS-13 with an i7).

    The disk is encrypted with LUKS, and the kernel starts spewing spam about thermal throttling immediately while it is booting up. It doesn't start thermal throttling if booted from unencypted media, so it looks like handling the encrypted disk is what puts it over the edge on startup.

    Intel processors produce way too much heat for the form factors they are trying to package them in.