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Oculus Co-Founder Says there is No Market for VR Gaming

posted by martyb on Monday July 15 2019, @06:17PM   Printer-friendly
from the predicted-sales-of-6-or-7-mainframes-by-IBM dept.

takyon writes:

Facebook will never break through with Oculus, says one of the VR company's co-founders

Five years after its $2 billion purchase of Oculus, Facebook is still pushing forward in its efforts to bring virtual reality to a mainstream audience. But one of the company's six co-founders now doubts Oculus will ever break through.

Jack McCauley told CNBC he doesn't think there's a real market for VR gaming. With Facebook positioning its Oculus devices primarily as gaming machines, McCauley doesn't believe there's much of a market for the device. "If we were gonna sell, we would've sold," McCauley said in a phone interview on Wednesday.

[...] The $199 Oculus Go has sold a little more than 2 million units since its release in May 2018, according to estimates provided by market research firm SuperData, a Nielsen company. The Oculus Quest, which was released this May, has sold nearly 1.1 million units while the Oculus Rift has sold 547,000 units since the start of 2018, according to SuperData.

[...] Since leaving in November 2015, McCauley has enjoyed a semi-retired life. He's an innovator in residence at Berkeley's Jacobs Institute of Design Innovation and he continues to build all sorts of devices, such as a gun capable of shooting down drones, at his own research and development facility.

The cheaper, standalone headsets are selling more units. Add foveated rendering and other enhancements at the lower price points (rather than $1,599 like the Vive Pro Eye), and the experience could become much better.

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  • (Score: 2) by takyon on Tuesday July 16 2019, @06:22PM (2 children)

    by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Tuesday July 16 2019, @06:22PM (#867644) Journal

    http://vrguy.blogspot.com/2016/04/understanding-foveated-rendering.html [blogspot.com]

    If you have a peak saccade velocity of 900°/s or 0.9°/ms, the focus can't move very far in 1 frame.

    https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/0eb5/b4e1c437bef4d8942fb327be190a74537124.pdf [semanticscholar.org]

    Since received eye tracking results can only be used for the frame after the results have been processed, the refresh rate of the camera should be higher than the framerate of the application to limit latency. Another reason the refresh rate has to be high is human saccade, which is the most common, rapid movement of the eyes to focus on a new location, which the camera will have to be able to keep up with and detect. Consumer cameras for computers, such as webcams, do not offer this kind of performance yet.

    [...] The performance requirements increase with the decision to utilise headmounted displays, however, since in order to prevent cybersickness, a form of motion sickness which is caused by a conflict between perception and the user’s expectation in an immersive environment, the frame rate needs to be higher than on general monitors and 95 frames per second is the established target as that should eliminate noticeable flickering of the screen [Val14].

    [...] The smallest layer also refreshes at 120Hz, while the bigger layers alternatingly refresh at 60Hz. This is to be able to better account for saccades and to make the updating of the foveal region unnoticeable. A big factor in this is the system latency, the time between the capture of the eye gaze position and the rendered image being displayed on the screen. If that system latency is too big, the system lags behind and the user will be able to see the update of the foveal region of the image. All the systems in the method work asynchronously, making the exact latency hard to predict. Guenter et al. carefully chose their system to minimise that latency and made an analysis of the best and worst case latencies, which are 23ms and 40ms, respectively.

    [...] The user study between three rendering algorithms (no foveated rendering, the method from Guenter et al. augmented with the proposed TAA and their own proposed method) showed that they can render more coarsely up to 30◦ closer to the centre of interest than Guenter et al. without introducing gaze-dependent aliasing or blur. Through metrics, they also showed that their final result is highly similar to their perceptual target image.

    That study used FOVE [wikipedia.org], which tracks eyes at 120 Hz but has a refresh rate of only 70 Hz.

    Today's headsets are in the 90-120 Hz range, and the target is 240 Hz [reddit.com] (or higher? [blurbusters.com]).

    240 Hz is a little over 4ms per frame. If eye tracking is at 240 Hz or greater and that peak saccade velocity mentioned is accurate, then the focus can't move much more than 3°. If you render a circular area at 16K, and outer rings at 8K, 4K, etc. decreasing quality, your eye won't reach any ultra-low resolution area fast enough before the next eye positions are calculated and the spot moves.

    That article also covers some more advanced topics like temporal artifacts, etc. But the bottom line is that this is doable. All of the numbers are subject to negotiation/testing. If you want to be conservative, you render a bigger slice at higher qualities, and might only reduce pixel count by 90%. If you can track the eyes faster, maybe you can lower pixel count by 98%. So even though high frame rates are a bigger burden for the hardware, you could get to decrease the total pixels rendered as tracking/rendering Hz increases.

    It seems likely that you want a standalone headset in order to reduce latency as much as possible. Standalone headsets have worse GPU performance but better latency potential. Good thing that foveated rendering greatly reduces the GPU performance that you need. Long live the smartphone SoC.

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  • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Wednesday July 17 2019, @06:48AM (1 child)

    by FatPhil (863) <{pc-soylent} {at} {asdf.fi}> on Wednesday July 17 2019, @06:48AM (#867885) Homepage
    There's some nice "everything is zero latency" blue sky thinking there, but indeed it does look theoretically doable with the on-the-horizon hardware.

    So, on to the next feature - changing the focus so that you don't fuck with your brain about what's how far away in the scene.
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