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posted by martyb on Tuesday August 24 2021, @02:43AM   Printer-friendly
from the it's-worth-a-shot! dept.

Pfizer's COVID-19 vaccine wins full approval from the FDA:

Pfizer's COVID-19 vaccine is now fully approved by the US Food and Drug Administration, making it the first shot against the coronavirus to get all the way through the regulatory review.

The FDA on Monday approved the mRNA vaccine against COVID-19 developed by Pfizer and its partner BioNTech for two doses, given three weeks apart, in people 16 years of age and older. The vaccine was previously being given under an emergency use authorization, which is still in place for the Moderna and Johnson & Johnson vaccines.

"While this and other vaccines have met the FDA's rigorous, scientific standards for emergency use authorization, as the first FDA-approved COVID-19 vaccine, the public can be very confident that this vaccine meets the high standards for safety, effectiveness, and manufacturing quality the FDA requires of an approved product," said acting FDA Commissioner Janet Woodcock in a release. "Today's milestone puts us one step closer to altering the course of this pandemic in the US."

Full approval is expected to make it easier for local governments, schools and businesses to require vaccinations and may encourage people who are hesitant to get a shot. Three in 10 unvaccinated adults said they'd be more likely to get a vaccine if one moved from emergency authorization to full approval by the FDA, according to a June poll by the Kaiser Family Foundation.

[...] The Pfizer vaccine will now be marketed as Comirnaty, said the FDA.

Also at Washington Post and CNN.


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  • (Score: -1, Disagree) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 24 2021, @03:53AM (19 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 24 2021, @03:53AM (#1170147)

    The thing is that the least vaccinated group is the most democratic leaning.

    https://youtu.be/nA1xcGlYx3Y?t=169 [youtu.be]

    The MSM tries to blame Fox news for vaccine hesitancy but very few people, overall, watch fox news and how many of the unvaccinated really watch Fox news (and while, sure, sometimes Fox news may have irresponsible segments just like CNN does the fact of matter is that, overall, Fox news is not anti-vax so it's disingenuous, at best, for the MSM to blame Fox news for vaccine hesitancy).

    So the left media needs to stop trying to blame the right for everything that everyone does wrong just because it's politically convenient to do so.

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  • (Score: 3, Informative) by Beryllium Sphere (r) on Tuesday August 24 2021, @05:46AM (9 children)

    by Beryllium Sphere (r) (5062) on Tuesday August 24 2021, @05:46AM (#1170164)

    >Fox news is not anti-vax

    I'll hear you out on that, but please provide evidence that Tucker Carlson and Laura Ingraham do not exist.

    This is what Fox is saying: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/11/business/media/vaccines-fox-news-hosts.html [nytimes.com]

    • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 24 2021, @06:16AM (8 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 24 2021, @06:16AM (#1170171)

      No, that's what the legal profession calls hearsay. It is not admissible as evidence anywhere. To prove Fox is saying antivax things you need to link to Fox saying them.

      eg. I could say "Beryllium Sphere thinks the world is flat."
      Linking to such a post would provide no evidence whatsoever as to your beliefs on the flatness of the world.

      • (Score: 5, Insightful) by FatPhil on Tuesday August 24 2021, @12:16PM (5 children)

        by FatPhil (863) <pc-soylentNO@SPAMasdf.fi> on Tuesday August 24 2021, @12:16PM (#1170286) Homepage
        Things that are generally accepted as factual don't need to be accompanied by up-front support: they're, literally, taken as read. Are TC & LI disputing that they've said these things on Fox News? Are Fox? Is anyone?

        Apart from you, that is. I recommend relaxing your anal sphincter a bit, it's cutting off the oxygen supply to what's left of your brain.
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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 24 2021, @09:35PM (3 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 24 2021, @09:35PM (#1170519)

          Wow. Troll for saying you should link to actual evidence, +5 insightful for saying you should accede to groupthink.

          I was not being antivax, I was pointing out that linking to Fox being antivax would completely short-circuit any argument that they are not anti-vax. Linking to NYT means nothing. It is as valid as linking to The Drudge Report to prove that the election was stolen from Donnie.

          Things that are generally accepted as factual don't need to be accompanied by up-front support:

          Then why the link to NYT ?

          • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Wednesday August 25 2021, @07:02AM

            by FatPhil (863) <pc-soylentNO@SPAMasdf.fi> on Wednesday August 25 2021, @07:02AM (#1170692) Homepage
            You were getting in a flap about nothing, wasting everyone's time. Like someone who says "look, there's a single bright pixel in my photo of the sky - it must be a UFO" and demanding an explanation. It's obviously a flying windmill, please go tilt at it on your own.
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          • (Score: 2) by drussell on Wednesday August 25 2021, @01:35PM (1 child)

            by drussell (2678) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday August 25 2021, @01:35PM (#1170805) Journal

            Really? You don't know what Fox' stance has been?

            There's a bunch of typical example clips, along with rebuttals to the falsehoods in this segment:

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEJufOyAbis [youtube.com]

            • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 25 2021, @06:11PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 25 2021, @06:11PM (#1170896)

              As I've said before, Fox news has run some irresponsible segments but it doesn't help that CNN takes some of those segments out of context. Text without context is pretext.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 27 2021, @10:40AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 27 2021, @10:40AM (#1171379)

          Things that are generally accepted as factual don't need to be accompanied by up-front support: they're, literally, taken as read.

          1 out of 5 democrats and 2 out of 5 republicans disagree with you. 30% disagreement is not "generally accepted".

      • (Score: 2) by drussell on Wednesday August 25 2021, @01:32PM (1 child)

        by drussell (2678) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday August 25 2021, @01:32PM (#1170803) Journal

        Here you go, buddy:

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEJufOyAbis&t=51s [youtube.com]

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 27 2021, @01:20AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 27 2021, @01:20AM (#1171303)

          Is Tucker Carlson an idiot? Yes.
          Is he being an anti-vax idiot in those clips ? Yes
          Do edited, 10 second, out of context clips of said idiot, curated by a competitor, prove anything about general Fox policy? No.

          Why not link to him being anti-vax idiot on Fox?

  • (Score: 4, Informative) by Beryllium Sphere (r) on Tuesday August 24 2021, @07:36AM

    by Beryllium Sphere (r) (5062) on Tuesday August 24 2021, @07:36AM (#1170194)

    There are some hard numbers and a decently balanced look at this in a definitely non-Democratic publication:
    https://reason.com/2021/08/22/texas-lt-gov-dan-patrick-is-right-that-democrats-have-a-vaccine-hesitancy-problem-but-its-not-nearly-as-big-as-the-gops/ [reason.com]

    The propaganda problem does extend well beyond just Fox.

  • (Score: 4, Informative) by FatPhil on Tuesday August 24 2021, @12:23PM (4 children)

    by FatPhil (863) <pc-soylentNO@SPAMasdf.fi> on Tuesday August 24 2021, @12:23PM (#1170289) Homepage
    That logically fallacy is called "nut picking". It's basically like cherry picking, but you go out looking for the nuts, not the cherries. It's a form of hasty generalisation. You've found a small subset of group A that do X therefore all A do X. All the while overlooking the fact that larger subsets of group B do X. If you genuinely think doing X is a negative, and you're not disingenuous, then your attention is best focussed on the Bs than the As. Why do you focus on the As - is it because you don't genuinely think doing X is negative and you just wanted to take a cheap stab at the either the X-doing subset of A or even all As by association, or is it because you're disingenuous?
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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 24 2021, @09:42PM (2 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 24 2021, @09:42PM (#1170520)

      Maybe if you have nuts in both group A and group B you should stop focusing on which group they are in and instead focus on why they are nuts.
      Why is the 'Left' more determined to make anti-vax political than even the 'Right'?

      • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Wednesday August 25 2021, @07:30AM (1 child)

        by FatPhil (863) <pc-soylentNO@SPAMasdf.fi> on Wednesday August 25 2021, @07:30AM (#1170700) Homepage
        It's not, you've performed a hasty generalisation. I've seen way more "muh freedums" (which is a political statement about citizens' rights) from the right than the left. So again, you'd be more accurate if you directed your attention to group B for this X too.

        Next barrel please, I've shot all the fish in this one...
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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 25 2021, @10:41AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 25 2021, @10:41AM (#1170758)

          By your own figures, one third of anti-vaxxers are democrats. Maybe there is more to it than just which lizard they vote for.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 09 2021, @02:13PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 09 2021, @02:13PM (#1176263)

      Good point.

      It should also be noted that, among conservatives, rural areas are much more likely to be unvaccinated. This could be for a number of reasons but part of it could also be a lack of convenient access? Also people in rural areas may be less likely to spread the virus as there is less congestion (but if they do get it it could be much worse if they have less access to advanced medical facilities so it might still be worth making the effort to getting them vaccinated)?

  • (Score: 3, Touché) by epitaxial on Tuesday August 24 2021, @12:48PM

    by epitaxial (3165) on Tuesday August 24 2021, @12:48PM (#1170299)

    I don't see black and latino groups actively protesting against vaccines and masks. That is the key difference. Google any anti mask protest and its 100% white people.

  • (Score: 2) by HammeredGlass on Tuesday August 24 2021, @02:15PM

    by HammeredGlass (12241) on Tuesday August 24 2021, @02:15PM (#1170322)

    Yep, check out the vax rates in NYC -> https://i.imgur.com/yJQ2cMY.jpg [imgur.com]

  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by DeathMonkey on Tuesday August 24 2021, @05:08PM

    by DeathMonkey (1380) on Tuesday August 24 2021, @05:08PM (#1170394) Journal

    The MSM tries to blame Fox news for vaccine hesitancy but very few people, overall, watch fox news and how many of the unvaccinated really watch Fox news (and while, sure, sometimes Fox news may have irresponsible segments just like CNN does the fact of matter is that, overall, Fox news is not anti-vax so it's disingenuous, at best, for the MSM to blame Fox news for vaccine hesitancy).

    Only 62% of Fox viewers are vaccinated compared to 83% for CNN and MSNBC, poll shows [independent.co.uk]