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posted by janrinok on Friday March 01, @12:32AM   Printer-friendly
from the Browser-freedom dept.

There's a new browser in town: Nyxt. It is free software. It is intended to be modified by the user, perhaps even rewritten. From https://nyxt.atlas.engineer/:

Built-in programmability.

Use the built-in REPL to program Nyxt. Run short scripts, and try out new workflows. Everything in Nyxt is fully extensible and modifiable.

It is written in Common Lisp.

Is this the browser we programmers have been waiting for? The one we can modify to our wildest dreams?

[Ed's comment: The linked source is obviously intended to show a potential user how it will work, and in this role it does a reasonable job. But there is not a great deal to explain why they think it is a game changer, or why it will appeal to many users. If it is necessary to use Lisp to extend the browser then perhaps it will not have the impact that they seem to believe it will have. But what do you think? Will it gain a foothold, or simply fade away to be forgotten except perhaps for a few enthusiasts?]


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  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by owl on Friday March 01, @05:14AM (11 children)

    by owl (15206) on Friday March 01, @05:14AM (#1346916)

    Will it gain a foothold, or simply fade away to be forgotten except perhaps for a few enthusiasts?

    Given the extreme technical incompetence of 99.8% of browser users, it will "simply fade away to be forgotten except perhaps for a few enthusiasts".

    The typical "browser user" does not know how to program anything, and sadly, does not even realize they can already create programs to customize the browser they currently have (Bookmarklets anyone? [wikipedia.org]).

    So, a nice curiosity, but it is not going to unseat the evil one's browser from its perch.

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  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by driverless on Friday March 01, @06:13AM

    by driverless (4770) on Friday March 01, @06:13AM (#1346928)

    It's not just that, it'll be a neverending race to keep up with all the crap Google is inventing to add to the web, in a language with a very small user base, and with a feature set that's interesting for geeks, possibly even just "geeks who know Lisp", but not for a wider audience. I just can't see people flocking to this.

  • (Score: 2) by quietus on Friday March 01, @09:17AM (5 children)

    by quietus (6328) on Friday March 01, @09:17AM (#1346940) Journal

    ... what do you think are the features a new browser should have, to push Chrome from its throne?

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by RS3 on Friday March 01, @03:26PM (3 children)

      by RS3 (6367) on Friday March 01, @03:26PM (#1346970)

      I would hope privacy, but sadly I don't think most people care. Even if they do care, they can't seem to connect with the specifics of how to be more secure. Convenience always seems to win those battles.

      • (Score: 2) by quietus on Friday March 01, @05:00PM (2 children)

        by quietus (6328) on Friday March 01, @05:00PM (#1346980) Journal

        With regards to privacy, I wonder about a browser which auto-creates fake history profiles. Would it be possible to automatically strip a cookie down to its essentials i.e. only the ID needed for session management?

        • (Score: 3, Interesting) by RS3 on Friday March 01, @07:01PM (1 child)

          by RS3 (6367) on Friday March 01, @07:01PM (#1346997)

          Probably due to EU privacy requirements (thank you!) I've been noticing more and more websites giving options for cookie management. Most will set a bunch of "necessary" cookies. I've come across a few that let you block all cookies, and checking browser cookies, I don't find any for those sites.

          Many sites think they're being clever using a . (dot) prefix, like that'll hide the cookie? I dunno, I wipe them all regularly.

          Way back in the 90s when I first started browsing, running Linux, the cookies folder was a 'ln -s' to /dev/null. Of course as time has marched forward, most websites have devolved into requiring some amount of cookie storage.

          I like your fake history profile thing. I'm a huge advocate of disinformation. Fill their coffers with garbage!

          • (Score: 3, Insightful) by JoeMerchant on Saturday March 02, @03:55AM

            by JoeMerchant (3937) on Saturday March 02, @03:55AM (#1347048)

            When "hidden" bits started showing up on file systems, my favorite utility to use (or write, it's not hard) is one that does a summary listing of all hidden files in the system. It's really fun hitting one button and seeing all the stuff that the designers never wanted you to see in a nice easy to read short list.

            Real security is done by obscurity. If you must store secrets on the hard drive, keep them in a file named: thumbs.db in an average looking folder somewhere. Bonus points if you encode the secrets steganographically.

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    • (Score: 2) by crafoo on Saturday March 02, @03:03AM

      by crafoo (6639) on Saturday March 02, @03:03AM (#1347040)

      about $1bil in marketing and ideally a tie-in deal with an OS

  • (Score: 2) by Freeman on Friday March 01, @02:31PM (3 children)

    by Freeman (732) on Friday March 01, @02:31PM (#1346965) Journal

    I would say bookmarklets are part of the reason why we can't have nice things. It just sounds like a horrible idea.

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    Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"
    • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Friday March 01, @03:21PM (1 child)

      by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Friday March 01, @03:21PM (#1346968) Journal

      Are bookmarklets severely limited to 2 GB in size? 2 ^ 31 ?

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      When trying to solve a problem don't ask who suffers from the problem, ask who profits from the problem.
      • (Score: 2) by Freeman on Friday March 01, @03:56PM

        by Freeman (732) on Friday March 01, @03:56PM (#1346978) Journal

        I would suggest that hijacking a bookmark, isn't a good way of doing whatever thing you're trying to do.

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        Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"
    • (Score: 4, Insightful) by owl on Friday March 01, @11:04PM

      by owl (15206) on Friday March 01, @11:04PM (#1347022)

      Also not the point.

      The point is that the present browsers already have a "built in" language (Javascript) that can be used, to some extent, to customize them, via at least 'bookmarklets'. And only a few of us geekier users even know bookmarklets exist, a smaller subset use one or more that someone else wrote on a regular basis, and an even smaller subset actually have written one for a particular customization we wanted.

      Given that fact with current browsers, a browser with a Lisp interpreter for customization is not likely to see enough uptake to more than a mere curiosity.