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It has been claimed that fish farming is a sustainable source of food that will help us feed the growing global human population while protecting wild fish populations – but this isn’t true.
“Fish farming is not a substitute for catching wild fish out of the ocean,” says Matthew Hayek at New York University. “In fact, it relies on catching wild fish out of the ocean.”
Hayek and his colleagues have shown that the amount of wild fish killed in order to feed farmed fish is between 27 and 307 per cent higher than previous estimates.
Farmed carnivorous fish eat multiple times more weight in wild fish caught from the ocean than is obtained by farming them, says Hayek. For instance, producing a kilogram of salmon may require 4 or 5 kilograms of wild fish.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by VLM on Monday October 21 2024, @03:49PM (10 children)
Unironically, we already are.
lost cause atomized urbanized generally atheist white folk with no heritage to lose, NPC types in summary, have a birth rate around 1.6 births per woman and its dropping fast.
Hispanic rate in the USA is around 1.87 per woman and its also dropping
Mormons, whom actually have heritage to save and a living culture to ... live in, are around 2.6 births per woman and not dropping as fast as anyone else. Nobody in the civilized world can keep up with that. Amish about the same situation.
Yes the exact numbers vary every year, but the order of the list doesn't change very much if at all.
The future of the USA is a white Christian theocracy in the long run. This makes many people very happy and it also super hyper triggers certain ethnic groups that hate white people or are anti-Christian. Regardless, it's the inevitable outcome of current trends and current political policies.
Looking at predictive maps, the cultural struggle of the 2100s in the USA is likely to be the overpopulated and under-precipitated west controlled by Mormons is going to have a lot of friction with the water-rich east of the Mississippi controlled by the Amish and likely future neo-Amish. The Amish are not a uniculture and they already have cultural issues with some being very medieval and trad while others being more flexible about technology, therefore I predict the east is going to end up dominated by "1950s Dieselpunk" neo-Amish folks. It'll be fine to run your sawmill with a three-phase electric motor connected to a nuclear power plant downstate, maybe even with a VFD drive, but they'll likely draw the line at having one hand on your cellphone app running the mill or using AI to generate optimal cut plans for sawmill logs.
The 1950s were a good time to be alive if you just kept to yourself and your people and did your own thing, although the subversives will endlessly complain it was a bad time to be a subversive, to which most people seem innoculated now to reply with mild pleasure at that situation LOL. Thats why I think Dieselpunk Amish is the way of the future in the east half of the USA.
The future belongs to those who bother to show up. Anti-natalists and anti-Christians are merely the modern Shakers, soon to be forgotten and looked back at with confusion if looked back at, at all.
(Score: 2) by VLM on Monday October 21 2024, @03:56PM (3 children)
By which I mean nation-scale projects, like should we build an irrigation canal from the Mississippi River to Salt Lake City in Utah. That kind of thing is going to be the big fight. I suspect a trade; a desert full of solar panels where it never rains with power lines running opposite direction of the irrigation canal. Someday, the lights will be on in NYC because of the solar panels around SLC, although it might take awhile.
I suspect they will team up on things like urban renewal of areas abandoned by hipster urbanites who don't breed so they disappeared eventually. However culturally unlikely it seems now, someday, San Francisco will be be 90+% Mormon, but the process of getting there will be some turmoil indeed given the current residents cultural demographics, and I suspect the west and east will cooperate across the river to encourage each other.
(Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Monday October 21 2024, @04:07PM (2 children)
Perspective is an amazing thing. The Mormons may well culturally conquer the U.S.A. from their SLC stronghold, but it will be a very long process from here, and subject to so many challenges along the way that, from my perspective, it's unlikely to unfold as you predict.
The Chinese and Indians have already played the "show up for the future" cards, somehow in today's world I don't think that's all it's going to take.
Even if 500 years from now we all have ancestry traceable to the Indian sub-continent, and there's still curry restaurants in every major city of the world (there already are, for that matter), it's also a question of culture. Will the young men and women of the future be attending LDS services on a regular basis? From my perspective, I think that's unlikely. From my perspective, it's more likely that we will start seeing Holi celebrations of color, in SLC, first.
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(Score: 2) by VLM on Monday October 21 2024, @04:24PM (1 child)
I think a key point of my argument is that those who don't, won't reproduce, and after a couple generations of that selection pressure...
I live in a megachurch dominated area, at least for people attending willingly. Some of the money I donate buys food and drink for the young adult singles group parties, and they have child care facilities better than most public or private schools. They know what side of their bread is buttered WRT the source of their future congregation members LOL they plan to grow their own and they're doing a pretty good job, but they're not organized as well as the national religions are organized so I think they can never compete in the long run. I suspect, in the long run, the megachurch that I'm loosely affiliated with is currently vaguely loosely associated with the Lutherans but as they disappear and are bred out, the megachurch will loosely associate themselves with the amish, given where I live.
(Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Monday October 21 2024, @05:47PM
The megachurches around here seem to be thriving on the "wealth is Godly" message... DINKs abound in their pews.
Catholics have been shunning birth control and abortion since forever, and they're hanging on, but not exactly thriving in the USA. I live 1/2 mile from a big Catholic church, Choose Life license plates all over the streets, families with 4 and more children all around, and yet... in the long run their strategy seems to not be keeping up with the competition:
"The percentage of Americans who identify as Catholic has decreased from around 25% in 1960 to 22% in 2022. "
But, on the other side of that toast there is more than a little bit of butter:
"The number of Catholics in the United States has increased from 45 million to 72 million."
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(Score: 1) by khallow on Monday October 21 2024, @05:49PM
Keep in mind that they are feeder populations for those atomized urbanized generally atheist white folk. It replenishes the negative growth populations while providing an outlet for escape from the high population growth subpopulations.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by ChrisMaple on Monday October 21 2024, @10:17PM (3 children)
Atheism has been gaining ground for decades, and will ultimately win out. The lies that are religions are self-defeating.
For instance, in the last 30 years or so, historians have been able to demonstrate that the foundations of Christianity are deliberately constructed fables.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by VLM on Tuesday October 22 2024, @04:29PM
Does anyone at church care? Probably not.
The sermons I hear mostly seem to revolve around examples of how to be a better person, how to have a better more successful culture / civilization in general, how to make the world a better place, etc. Nobody at church seems to care if the scientific details of a very old book are correct in the decimal places; the topic never comes up and nobody joined because they're archeology fanboys. Mostly hear a lot about "meet great people" and "enjoy the volunteer work", they like the music, their friends are here, none of which has anything to do with archeology.
Another interesting comparison/contrast is its undeniable that history and legacy mass media are pure propaganda at this point, just complete outright fabrications most of the time, single party political rule, etc. Nobody cares, everyone gets up in the morning, eats breakfast, goes to work, ignores or passively nods at the lies, gets on with life. Sometimes the utter ineffectiveness of propaganda is surprising. You can't collapse civilization by "proving" that George Washington indeed never did chop down that cherry tree.
Another 3rd way to look at it, is you can't get people to stop investing money and time into fandoms like Star Wars, Trek, Hobbit/LOTR, or even capeshit by telling them its fictional. They like the stories, the stories resonate with their lives, some will invest huge amounts of effort and money into those stories they like. They just don't care if they're not true. On a personal note during some bad weather over the last few weeks a fun indoor activity was watching the entire Hobbit movie trilogy. Had a great time, hung out with family, ate junk food. Nobody cared that "The Hobbit" is fictional. "You can't enjoy this movie or spend money on fandom because I say its not true". Yeah, well, good luck with that.
(Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Wednesday October 23 2024, @12:19AM
>and will ultimately win out.
Yea team me! I am on the winning side!!!
I agree, as long as freedom of communication and reasonably accurate reporting of facts continue to increase the way they have for the past 50 years, Atheism is the logical end-game for society.
Now, as Florida and other states are succeeding in fragmenting public education into a lot of religious, charter and home schools, the students so raised learn intolerance for "others" stop speaking a common language of reason and logic... all it takes is a little clipping of the broadband connections and we're back to the 1700s in terms of social direction in the US...
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 26, @03:55PM
Doesn't seem so clear cut to me. How many children are the atheists having and how many children are the religious having?
https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2015/05/12/chapter-3-demographic-profiles-of-religious-groups/pr_15-05-12_rls_chapter3-07-png/ [pewresearch.org]
The religious tend to have more hope and faith, and more children.
See also:
https://web.archive.org/web/20081227133251/http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/matthew_parris/article5400568.ece [archive.org]
https://www.russellmoore.com/2019/12/16/atheists-dont-lie-to-your-children/ [russellmoore.com]
Of course, the flip side is more have children when they shouldn't. But prehistorically, from an evolutionary perspective just popping out kids and hoping for the best is a better strategy in the long term than not popping out kids because there isn't much hope. The former does lead to more suffering though, but the suffering is often more tolerable when you have religion... 😉
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 22 2024, @04:30PM
Oh wow, the mask is off.
My atheist white heritage is in fact the entirety of Western civilization. All the science, technology, rationality you benefit from were MY people, bro. Your white trash would still be burning old laddies alive and praying away hurricanes (updated to nuking them nowadays... with a hope and a prayer). How's that working out by the way?