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posted by Fnord666 on Thursday October 03 2019, @11:42AM   Printer-friendly
from the gotta-watch-the-watchers dept.

U.S. to Collect DNA of All Undocumented Migrants:

The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) is developing a plan to take DNA samples from each of the undocumented immigrants and store it in a national database for criminal DNA profiles, they said.

Speaking to journalists on grounds of anonymity, DHS officials said the new policy would give immigration and border control agents a broader picture of the migrant and detainee situation.

And stored on the FBI's CODIS DNA database, it could also be used by others in law enforcement and beyond.

[...] Officials said they were in fact required to take the DNA samples by rules about the handling of arrested and convicted people that were issued by the Justice Department in 2006 and 2010, but which had not been implemented.

They said the program for collecting DNA was still being developed, and they did not have a date set for implementation.

Collecting and storing the DNA of people simply detained and not tried or convicted of a crime has drawn criticism from civil rights advocates.

"Forced DNA collection raises serious privacy and civil liberties concerns and lacks justification, especially when DHS is already using less intrusive identification methods like fingerprinting," Vera Eidelman, an attorney with the American Civil Liberties Union, said in a statement.

"This kind of mass collection also alters the purpose of DNA collection from one of criminal investigation to population surveillance, which is contrary to our basic notions of freedom and autonomy," Eidelman said.

If it becomes okay to do this to "them", how long will it take before they want to do it to "us"?


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  • (Score: 5, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 03 2019, @01:08PM (10 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 03 2019, @01:08PM (#902249)

    An illegal immigrant is an "undocumented migrant" like a car thief is an "unlicensed car owner."

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  • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday October 03 2019, @01:55PM (4 children)

    Nice, I wasn't expecting a car analogy on this story.

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    • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 03 2019, @02:07PM (3 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 03 2019, @02:07PM (#902269)

      Responding to your sig:
      As Dungeons & Dragons got more nerdy (AD&D version 3),
      it did become 0 based to a degree. Remember all those percentile based tables? You had to roll a 10 sider twice, once for each digit of the percentile throw.
      The results ranged from 00 to 99.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 03 2019, @02:10PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 03 2019, @02:10PM (#902270)

        It goes without saying of course that the 10 sider die itself is zero based.

      • (Score: 2) by JNCF on Thursday October 03 2019, @04:41PM (1 child)

        by JNCF (4317) on Thursday October 03 2019, @04:41PM (#902344) Journal

        00 is supposed to be interpreted as 100 in every system I've used with a percentile die, but I'll confess ignorance of AD&D v3.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 04 2019, @01:44AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 04 2019, @01:44AM (#902511)

          In that case, maybe it's not zero based (00), but it does have a problem with ignoring the carry bit.
          ;-)

  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by DannyB on Thursday October 03 2019, @02:22PM (3 children)

    by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Thursday October 03 2019, @02:22PM (#902274) Journal

    If we take their fingerprints and DNA, then there will be no such thing as an "undocumented" immigrant, either legal or illegal.

    Then there will be no such thing as an undocumented worker slave citizen.

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    • (Score: 3, Interesting) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday October 03 2019, @02:31PM (1 child)

      Huh, good point. They won't logically be able to call them "undocumented" instead of "illegal" anymore. Well, no, the biggest fans of illegals prefer appearances over logic or they wouldn't be calling them "undocumented" in the first place, so I suppose it won't matter.

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      • (Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 04 2019, @04:04AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 04 2019, @04:04AM (#902541)

        Who's a good widdle fascist? You are! What a good widdle goose stepper, who's a goose stepping man child? Coochee cooooo, make sure to bring your hot dogs for that late niggt lawn bbq party! Such a gooood widdle fascist, yes you are!

    • (Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Thursday October 03 2019, @05:31PM

      by DeathMonkey (1380) on Thursday October 03 2019, @05:31PM (#902368) Journal

      DNA will be collected on the mere allegation of a crime, not on conviction. Innocent until proven guilty also applies to brown people.

  • (Score: 2) by helel on Friday October 04 2019, @02:23AM

    by helel (2949) on Friday October 04 2019, @02:23AM (#902525)

    Turning that reasoning around an undocumented migrant is as much an "illegal immigrant" as a car thief is an "illegal car owner." If you want to play the language game it would make more sense to say they are in immigrant present in the country illegally in the same way you'd say a car thief is illegally in possession of the stolen vehicle.

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