Don't complain about lack of options. You've got to pick a few when you do multiple choice. Those are the breaks.
Feel free to suggest poll ideas if you're feeling creative. I'd strongly suggest reading the past polls first.
This whole thing is wildly inaccurate. Rounding errors, ballot stuffers, dynamic IPs, firewalls. If you're using these numbers to do anything important, you're insane.
scp has been deprecated since early 2019 with OpenSSH 8.0:
The scp protocol is outdated, inflexible and not readily fixed. We
recommend the use of more modern protocols like sftp and rsync for
file transfer instead.
However, big transfers can be terribly slow over 100Mb/s lines. Using 1000Mb/s is much better, but then as the data sets approach terabytes, then even that is too slow and it's time to consider shipping a removable drive or two.
-- Money is not free speech. Elections should not be auctions.
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on Tuesday September 09, @09:42PM (#1416714)
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on Wednesday September 10, @11:07AM (#1416755)
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on Wednesday September 10, @01:42PM (#1416765)
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(Score: -1, Redundant) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 09, @11:05AM
by Anonymous Coward
on Tuesday September 09, @11:05AM (#1416643)
I, too, use Soylent News for transferring data. First, I encode the data with base64 and, if needed, split it into multiple sections so that it can fit within the length limits established by Rehash. Then I post the encoded data as comments to Soylent News. When I'm ready to decode them on another computer, I access the same comments and decode them to get my original data back. In fact, I have a simple proof of concept.
If transferring files on the local LAN, rsync. If transferring the files locally, but not network connected, external hard disk If transferring the files across the continent, muti-TB external SSD
I have fond memories of delivering tape when I was a teenager, looking
forward to the time when I would be in the office doing cool computer stuff
instead of just delivering computer stuff. At some point I worked at a place
that had tape backup; but by then it was no longer the huge reels. It was a little
cartridge that probably held a lot more data.
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I have a wired home LAN or two or so with gigabit ethernet and Netgear switches. I am now backing up multi-hundred gigabyte disk images and VM images and using such things as rsync, dd and various compression tools.
Last year sometime I was working on some firmware to do SERDES and I was absolutely blown away by how fast it can go these days. 10Gbit ethernet really isn't that fast, and none of my home machines have anything faster that 1Gig. However, there's USB 3.x and I have a couple of external 2.5" USB 3.x 5TB drives for doing backups.
Even USB 3.2 is faster (allegedly) than 10Gbit/s ethernet. It's also cheap and everything has it these days. So the obvious question is, why can't I take one USB cable from one PeeCee and plug it into another and transfer data? Because it's Not That Simple(TM).
OK, so there's this thing called an Ethernet switch, why can't I get a "USB switch." I can get a USB hub. It's this master/slave design. You can get things to plug into your phone to turn it from a slave/client into a master/controller.
So why can't I buy a thing with multiple USB 3.2 ports that I can plug several machines into and get them to speak at 10+ Gbit/s? I mean 20, 30, 40+ should be quite simple nowadays.
(Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 10, @01:34AM
(1 child)
by Anonymous Coward
on Wednesday September 10, @01:34AM (#1416725)
You can connect two computers and transfer files using USB if you know what you are doing but it isn't necessarily the easiest thing to do. If you are using USB-A or USB-B that are USB 2 or certain 3.0 controllers, there are two exclusive ways to connect them. If they are 3.0 compliant there are two exclusive options to those.
No matter what, you can use a protocol bridge. This device appears as a client peripheral to both hosts. The software can then be used to transfer between devices with the bridge acting as a relay, essentially. The speed there is limited by the device's capability.
The easiest is to use a special transfer cable that has the pinout correctly crossed to allow two host systems to connect without frying either. Then software allows transfers by treating each as the host and ignoring certain errors caused by two host devices sending out-of-spec data. Those errors do result in a slower transfer speed.
The second USB-A and USB-B approach is to use OTG (USB On-The-Go). There, a special pinout is used by standard cables to set which is the host (A device) and which is the client (B device). The computers can negotiate proper roles and send data that way in spec and at full speed.
If you are UBS 3.0 and above, you could potentially use Dual Role Devices. If at least on controller is dual role, you can connect the two computers and then use software to communicate between them. This is much more likely to succeed using type C connectors, since those controllers are supposed to be dual role. If using an A or B connector you will be limited to 10 Gbps. If using type C and USB 3.2, then you can get the full 20+ Gbps.
Finally, if your computers are thunderbolt capable, you can use thunderbolt with a type C connector. This would give you around 32 Gbps (Thunderbolt 3) of speed at the expense of more complicated software stack.
Isn't the mixed standards of USB fun? Then you add in that not every piece of hardware isn't necessarily 100% compatible with what it should be. But with newer controllers and the right software and drivers, you can wade your way through the mud.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 10, @10:47PM
by Anonymous Coward
on Wednesday September 10, @10:47PM (#1416806)
I looked and found the documentation I didn't earlier for the software side. In Linux, you can use the Mass Storage [kernel.org] driver to make one device look like a USB mass storage device. There are other drivers that can be used to act like all kinds gadgets. [kernel.org] You can even write your own using the gadget API. [kernel.org] There are similar drivers available for Windows, MacOS, and most *BSDs. So be careful with those USB sticks you plug in, they might actually be something else when plugged in.
First, it works. Not just with the computers, but tablets and phones. Choices: USB memory stick, SD card, or similar I have an old very large USB drive that I used to use for backing up my data, but it ran out of room so I bought a bigger one. Now I'm putting all my DVDs on it; it stays plugged into the TV's USB unless I'm adding a new movie. External hard drive See "or similar," above Optical media (CD/DVD/Blu-ray) Obsolete, we have far bigger thumb drives now Network app (rsync, scp, etc.) File Manager, whatever the app developer calls it? I'm rarely at a text prompt any more. Network file system (nfs, samba, etc.) A little redundant but I guess you wanted to be thorough The "cloud" (Dropbox, Cloud, Google Drive, etc.) I guess if push came to shove I could use some of my hosted drive space, but If you use other people's servers, be sure to back your data up on your own servers! There's nothing on any of my web sites that isn't mirrored on my private network. Forty three years of computing has taught me to never trust any device, especially someone else's device! Email Sure, if I'm moving a file to my daughter and the file is small enough. Other (specify in comments) Subetheric transport modules (not yet invented)
(Score: 3, Informative) by canopic jug on Tuesday September 09, @10:49AM (10 children)
scp has been deprecated since early 2019 with OpenSSH 8.0:
As noted, use Rsync or SFTP instead.
However, big transfers can be terribly slow over 100Mb/s lines. Using 1000Mb/s is much better, but then as the data sets approach terabytes, then even that is too slow and it's time to consider shipping a removable drive or two.
Money is not free speech. Elections should not be auctions.
(Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Tuesday September 09, @04:19PM (1 child)
I would have voted e-mail for smaller files, particularly photos and other little stuff from phones and other random places.
Big? scp.
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(Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Tuesday September 09, @04:21PM
Amend: scp works for many cases, deprecated or not. sftp is often a more accessible option in certain multi-OS configurations.
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(Score: 2) by janrinok on Tuesday September 09, @09:35PM (3 children)
Learn to read. It doesn't say that you created it. But you did use the account, as you have admitted.
[nostyle RIP 06 May 2025]
(Score: -1, Redundant) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 09, @11:05AM
I, too, use Soylent News for transferring data. First, I encode the data with base64 and, if needed, split it into multiple sections so that it can fit within the length limits established by Rehash. Then I post the encoded data as comments to Soylent News. When I'm ready to decode them on another computer, I access the same comments and decode them to get my original data back. In fact, I have a simple proof of concept.
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dmVyIHBvc3Qgb24gdGhpcyBzaXRlIChvciBhbnl3aGVyZSBlbHNlIG9uIHRoZSBpbnRlcm5ldCkg
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(Score: 2) by crm114 on Tuesday September 09, @01:42PM
If transferring files on the local LAN, rsync.
If transferring the files locally, but not network connected, external hard disk
If transferring the files across the continent, muti-TB external SSD
(Score: 4, Funny) by DannyB on Tuesday September 09, @03:20PM (1 child)
RFC 1149 [wikipedia.org]
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(Score: 3, Insightful) by Dr Spin on Tuesday September 09, @07:59PM (1 child)
... even if station wagons are unavailable.
Depending on the amount of data, DAT or LTO, as I no longer own a 1/2" tape drive.
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(Score: 2) by istartedi on Wednesday September 10, @06:58PM
I have fond memories of delivering tape when I was a teenager, looking forward to the time when I would be in the office doing cool computer stuff instead of just delivering computer stuff. At some point I worked at a place that had tape backup; but by then it was no longer the huge reels. It was a little cartridge that probably held a lot more data.
Appended to the end of comments you post. Max: 120 chars.
(Score: 2) by turgid on Tuesday September 09, @09:05PM (2 children)
I have a wired home LAN or two or so with gigabit ethernet and Netgear switches. I am now backing up multi-hundred gigabyte disk images and VM images and using such things as rsync, dd and various compression tools.
Last year sometime I was working on some firmware to do SERDES and I was absolutely blown away by how fast it can go these days. 10Gbit ethernet really isn't that fast, and none of my home machines have anything faster that 1Gig. However, there's USB 3.x and I have a couple of external 2.5" USB 3.x 5TB drives for doing backups.
Even USB 3.2 is faster (allegedly) than 10Gbit/s ethernet. It's also cheap and everything has it these days. So the obvious question is, why can't I take one USB cable from one PeeCee and plug it into another and transfer data? Because it's Not That Simple(TM).
OK, so there's this thing called an Ethernet switch, why can't I get a "USB switch." I can get a USB hub. It's this master/slave design. You can get things to plug into your phone to turn it from a slave/client into a master/controller.
So why can't I buy a thing with multiple USB 3.2 ports that I can plug several machines into and get them to speak at 10+ Gbit/s? I mean 20, 30, 40+ should be quite simple nowadays.
I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent [wikipedia.org].
(Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 10, @01:34AM (1 child)
You can connect two computers and transfer files using USB if you know what you are doing but it isn't necessarily the easiest thing to do. If you are using USB-A or USB-B that are USB 2 or certain 3.0 controllers, there are two exclusive ways to connect them. If they are 3.0 compliant there are two exclusive options to those.
No matter what, you can use a protocol bridge. This device appears as a client peripheral to both hosts. The software can then be used to transfer between devices with the bridge acting as a relay, essentially. The speed there is limited by the device's capability.
The easiest is to use a special transfer cable that has the pinout correctly crossed to allow two host systems to connect without frying either. Then software allows transfers by treating each as the host and ignoring certain errors caused by two host devices sending out-of-spec data. Those errors do result in a slower transfer speed.
The second USB-A and USB-B approach is to use OTG (USB On-The-Go). There, a special pinout is used by standard cables to set which is the host (A device) and which is the client (B device). The computers can negotiate proper roles and send data that way in spec and at full speed.
If you are UBS 3.0 and above, you could potentially use Dual Role Devices. If at least on controller is dual role, you can connect the two computers and then use software to communicate between them. This is much more likely to succeed using type C connectors, since those controllers are supposed to be dual role. If using an A or B connector you will be limited to 10 Gbps. If using type C and USB 3.2, then you can get the full 20+ Gbps.
Finally, if your computers are thunderbolt capable, you can use thunderbolt with a type C connector. This would give you around 32 Gbps (Thunderbolt 3) of speed at the expense of more complicated software stack.
Isn't the mixed standards of USB fun? Then you add in that not every piece of hardware isn't necessarily 100% compatible with what it should be. But with newer controllers and the right software and drivers, you can wade your way through the mud.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 10, @10:47PM
I looked and found the documentation I didn't earlier for the software side. In Linux, you can use the Mass Storage [kernel.org] driver to make one device look like a USB mass storage device. There are other drivers that can be used to act like all kinds gadgets. [kernel.org] You can even write your own using the gadget API. [kernel.org] There are similar drivers available for Windows, MacOS, and most *BSDs. So be careful with those USB sticks you plug in, they might actually be something else when plugged in.
(Score: 2) by Gaaark on Wednesday September 10, @02:59AM
I use a combination, depending on the sit-ey-ation, so i voted 'Other'.
Not cloud.
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(Score: 2) by mcgrew on Wednesday September 10, @03:16PM (1 child)
Reasons:
First, it works. Not just with the computers, but tablets and phones.
Choices:
USB memory stick, SD card, or similar
I have an old very large USB drive that I used to use for backing up my data, but it ran out of room so I bought a bigger one. Now I'm putting all my DVDs on it; it stays plugged into the TV's USB unless I'm adding a new movie.
External hard drive
See "or similar," above
Optical media (CD/DVD/Blu-ray)
Obsolete, we have far bigger thumb drives now
Network app (rsync, scp, etc.)
File Manager, whatever the app developer calls it? I'm rarely at a text prompt any more.
Network file system (nfs, samba, etc.)
A little redundant but I guess you wanted to be thorough
The "cloud" (Dropbox, Cloud, Google Drive, etc.)
I guess if push came to shove I could use some of my hosted drive space, but If you use other people's servers, be sure to back your data up on your own servers! There's nothing on any of my web sites that isn't mirrored on my private network. Forty three years of computing has taught me to never trust any device, especially someone else's device!
Email
Sure, if I'm moving a file to my daughter and the file is small enough.
Other (specify in comments)
Subetheric transport modules (not yet invented)
Impeach the anti-science Kennedy!!!