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What is your favorite keyboard trait?

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QWERTY
  24% 25 votes
AZERTY
  1% 2 votes
Silent (sounds)
  11% 12 votes
Clicky sounds
  28% 30 votes
Thocky sounds
  11% 12 votes
The pretty colored lights
  5% 6 votes
I use Braille you insensitive clod
  1% 2 votes
Other (please specify in comments)
  14% 15 votes
104 total votes.
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  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Ingar on Sunday September 01, @09:18AM (18 children)

    by Ingar (801) on Sunday September 01, @09:18AM (#1370783) Homepage Journal

    The preferred keyboard layout here is Belgian AZERTY, which is extremely horribly when writing code,
    or using the UNIX command line. I switched to QWERTY a long time ago, but unfortunately Dutch actually
    uses a few funky symbols now and than, and at work I need to be able to write in French as well.

    I got tired of keycombo magic, so at work, I settled on a dual keyboard setup and just switch as required.
    It gives me a good brainfuck every now and then.

    For reference: Belgian keyboard layout [wikimedia.org].
    The third key symbols are accessed through the Alt Gr modifier key.

    I mean US QWERTY here. UK QWERTY sucks, as does QWERTZ. I also prefer the physical layout with the big RETURN key and I hate a small backspace.

    The next poll should ask what kind of mechanical keyboard switches you prefer.

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    • (Score: 4, Informative) by janrinok on Sunday September 01, @09:41AM (12 children)

      by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Sunday September 01, @09:41AM (#1370784) Journal

      The next poll should ask what kind of mechanical keyboard switches you prefer.

      Please give me a list of 5-7 types of keyboard switches and an appropriate 'insensitive clod' option and I will publish it next. Most Polls are submitted by the community in the same was as any other submission. Just entitle your submission to include the word 'Poll' as they get stored in a different place.

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      • (Score: 5, Interesting) by Samantha Wright on Monday September 02, @04:55PM (8 children)

        by Samantha Wright (4062) on Monday September 02, @04:55PM (#1370935)

        What kind of keyboard keys do you use?

        • Model M or other buckling spring
        • Clicky—modern but loud
        • Silent—the feel is what matters!
        • Silent—too many complaints about the noise of a 'real' keyboard
        • Rubber dome—the cheaper the better
        • Scissor switches—low-profile is more important
        • Gimme those fancy RGB keycaps—all that matters is the a e s t h e t i c!
        • Uh, touchscreen?
        • I have a brain implant, you insensitive clod!

        maybe also something about terrible PCjr chiclet keyboards

        • (Score: 1) by pTamok on Tuesday September 03, @06:31AM (2 children)

          by pTamok (3042) on Tuesday September 03, @06:31AM (#1371003)

          Is 'Rubber Dome' the same as the Sinclair ZX Spectrum 'dead flesh' keyboard?

          There is a special place reserved in Dante's hell for anyone who specifies a flat membrane that uses a flat electrically-conductive 'rubber' membrane that distorts when pressed to bridge pcb tracks as a keyboard in their product . Cheap, almost works, and guaranteed to degrade to uselessness quickly.

          I don't know if it is a 'thing' these days, but at one point Hall Effect keyboards were all the rage: no contacts to wear out.
          Hmm - looks like they are: https://www.hlplanet.com/keyboards-hall-effect-switches/ [hlplanet.com] and https://www.xda-developers.com/get-hall-effect-keyboard-instead-of-mechanical/ [xda-developers.com]

          • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 05, @11:25PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 05, @11:25PM (#1371462)

            Rubber dome is just your ordinary cheap standard PC keyboard. It's basically the same idea as the 80s style "membrane" keyboards - two pieces of rubber with traces printed on them that connect when pressed together - but pushing a plastic key instead of directly on the membrane makes it work and feel much better. Most of them last for years. Usually the keycaps wear out or the chassis breaks before the membranes stop working, unless you spill something on it and corrode the traces.

          • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Samantha Wright on Saturday September 07, @12:40AM

            by Samantha Wright (4062) on Saturday September 07, @12:40AM (#1371625)

            I left that out because no one would willingly use such an abomination, except maybe as a sacrifice for the needs of an industrial process control machine on a factory floor. That's part of the broader "chiclet" category. See also: the flat 90s touchable surfaces that live on in the control panels of (most) microwave ovens.

        • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Wednesday September 04, @12:54AM (2 children)

          by JoeMerchant (3937) on Wednesday September 04, @12:54AM (#1371122)

          I have a nice mechanical keyboard with Cherry brown switches. The key caps don't work with the backlight LEDs, and I'm torn about which is more important. In a well lit room I definitely prefer these keys to the cheaper backlight mechanical keyboard I also use, but in the dark those lit keys are really good to have.

          More important than switch type or lighting, the nice heavy metal frame is the best part.

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          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 05, @11:31PM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 05, @11:31PM (#1371465)

            I really like the Cherry Brown, I didn't like mine at first (stuck with my rubber dome keyboard for a couple of years after getting it!) but once it broke in and the keys stopped feeling "scratchy" it's pretty great. I don't like noisy keys but I do like tactile feedback and the browns have *just* enough of a bump. Most of the time I don't consciously feel it at all but it's enough.

            • (Score: 1) by Runaway1956 on Saturday September 07, @01:56AM

              by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Saturday September 07, @01:56AM (#1371634) Journal

              I've read some articles about keyboard customization. Those "scratchy" keys would probably have been cured by lubing the switches. Some of the latest offerings of mechanical keyboards advertise that they come pre-lubed. Other people just like screwing around with their keyboards, and lube their switches as a matter of customization. I had no idea that switches should be lubed, until Amazon offered me a couple of El Cheapo branded keyboards to test drive. Videos are available on Youtube with a search.

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        • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Thursday September 05, @02:55PM (1 child)

          by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Thursday September 05, @02:55PM (#1371383) Journal

          I use a $4 keyboard in an end cap from Microcenter you insensitive clod. When it brakes in five years, I invest another $4 to replace it.

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      • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Tuesday September 03, @07:27PM (2 children)

        by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday September 03, @07:27PM (#1371077) Journal

        I tend to assume there can be only ate (8) options for a pole on the front page. Is that true? Regardless, or irregardless, it is better than "there can be only one" poll option.

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        • (Score: 3, Informative) by janrinok on Tuesday September 03, @07:31PM (1 child)

          by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday September 03, @07:31PM (#1371079) Journal

          Yes, the maximum is 8, although 5 or more are usually acceptable. They don't look too lost....

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 03, @01:49AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 03, @01:49AM (#1370986)

      All three of the major OSes and their desktops allow you to change visual styles programatically. Depending on how you switch keyboards and your imagination, you can have the screen change based on which keyboard you are using. It might help lessen the "brainfuck" by providing additional cues to you.

    • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Wednesday September 04, @12:49AM (2 children)

      by JoeMerchant (3937) on Wednesday September 04, @12:49AM (#1371120)

      I'm certain there are many layouts "better" than QWERTY but, the best layout is the one you are most familiar with. So, unless I become a professional writer like Steven King, at my and only my keyboard 99%+ of the time, I have to deal with "what's out there", and around here that's QWERTY.

      When I first learned AutoCAD 14 I customized my touchpad interface, and it was great... Right up until I started working with the machine shop and their interface didn't have my settings. I switched to standard layout, it took longer to learn and never was quite as fast as my custom layout was for me, but it was 10x faster for me to use other peoples' standard interfaces after I learned it.

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      • (Score: 2) by Unixnut on Friday September 13, @03:37PM (1 child)

        by Unixnut (5779) on Friday September 13, @03:37PM (#1372477)

        That is one of the reasons QWERTY persists. For a long time the DVORAK crowd argued about the superiority of their layout and how we should all switch to it. All well and good but the moment you try to use a keyboard layout other than your own you are stuck. Fine if you can set your keyboard layout but if you are stuck using somebody else's setting you are in a bad situation.

        They have gone quiet in the last decade, so I guess they admitted defeat on the keyboard layout wars. However it also applies to keyboard shapes. For a long time I typed on one of those Logitech/Microsoft ergonomic keyboards with the keyboard split down the middle and keys angled towards your hands. I can say it was the more pleasant keyboard I ever used for typing, and could type for hours without it causing me any issues.

        The problem was when I tried to use a normal keyboard, I would get pain in my wrists as my hands were not used to it. As more and more machines became laptops (who didn't have the ergo keyboards) it made much more sense for me to switch to the plain flat keyboard and get used to that instead.

        First mover advantages are a thing, and sometimes it becomes very hard to replace what has become the de-facto standard, even if the replacement is superior.

        • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Friday September 13, @04:34PM

          by JoeMerchant (3937) on Friday September 13, @04:34PM (#1372489)

          My laptop keyboard right here and now has a touchpad plus one of those hypersensitive pointing nubs between the GHB keys... back in the mid 90s an early push-pointer interface company sent me a little sample pointer device with a 1" diameter "pointing pad" that responded to force like the modern nub but less sensitive, plus two mouse buttons. It fit right above my number pad so I velcroed it down there and used it for less than a month before I got RSI from that layout - took almost 3 weeks to recover the RSI by not using my right hand for much, and then my left wrist was starting to complain due to having to do everything... but by that time the right was recovered enough to start being used again.

          Touch-nub pointing device: banished. Hazardous.

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    • (Score: 2) by Unixnut on Friday September 13, @03:31PM

      by Unixnut (5779) on Friday September 13, @03:31PM (#1372475)

      I think it depends on what you are used to the most.

      For example I've spent decades typing on UK QWERTY layout. So much so that I don't even touch type but I have muscle memory for every single key (and quite a few of the key combo's for symbols). I find US QWERTY irritating because some symbols are different. It is however nothing compared to where I now live, where work gave me a QWERTZ layout.

      Not only is not very good for UNIX and programming (as most of the commands and languages are designed for QWERTY type layouts, mostly US) but renders me back to "hunt-and-peck" mode for typing.

      Only good thing is because I know most of the UK layout by memory, I can set the layout in the OS to "UK" and then type on the keyboard as normal, completely ignoring what symbols are written on the keys themselves. However I must never look at the keys, because if I do my brain goes "WTF" and it breaks my ability to type until I go away for a few mins.

  • (Score: 2) by SomeGuy on Sunday September 01, @04:31PM (3 children)

    by SomeGuy (5632) on Sunday September 01, @04:31PM (#1370813)

    I have to use a crappy modern wireless keyboard, and I get tired of how often it messes up. I do fat finger things regularly, so it is hard to measure, but occasionally it adds in random key presses of keys that are nowhere near what I was pressing. On top of that, it seems like Windows 11 notepad occasionally misses key presses - other applications on that machine don't have the same issue. At least the thing doesn't have stupid back lighting.

    Like so many other technologies, keyboards only seem to ever get crappier.

    So, traits that I look for:
    Beige.
    Mechanical key switches. Personally I like the white Alps sliders found budget ~1990 keyboards. Not too stiff but still a good "click".
    Function keys at the left, where they belong. :P
    Double strike keycaps - that means there is a layer of transparent plastic over the printed character. So the letters don't ware off as fast.
    No Microsoft Windows(TM) logo key. I have seen a few modern keyboards that have that key simply labeled as "Start" instead, which is acceptable.
    No extra "Internet" keys. I don't need extra buttons for e-mail or shopping.
    When dealing with vintage PC keyboards, they should be XT/AT switchable (XT and AT use different protocols, but the same plug. Many keyboards work with only one or the other).
    NO back lights or blue LEDs. I shouldn't have to explain why.

    • (Score: 2, Interesting) by Runaway1956 on Monday September 02, @09:02AM (1 child)

      by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Monday September 02, @09:02AM (#1370882) Journal

      I'll second that. I can't count the number of keyboards with silly "features" I've had to deal with. Most of them cheaply made, but not always cheap. I don't need multimedia keys, mail keys, yada yada yada. Over the past two years, I've test driven some mechanical keyboards, and I'm perfectly happy with the 96% basic keyboards (qwerty). I care less about the type of 'color' of the switch, than I care about the feel. Some of them feel pretty close to the IBM Selectric typewriters I used in high school and in the Navy. But, the keyboard has to WORK, and work consistently. Far too many of those stupid membrane keyboards don't work properly when they are new, and only grow worse with age.

      And yeah - double strike keycaps, and I have learned to really like a backlit keybaord. Plain white backlighting, please, no RGB nonsense, no pulsing patterns in the lights.

      Most importantly, we can't over stress that it has to WORK!

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      • (Score: 2) by Tork on Friday September 06, @04:22PM

        by Tork (3914) Subscriber Badge on Friday September 06, @04:22PM (#1371566)

        I don't need multimedia keys, mail keys, yada yada yada.

        Heh. As much as I hated those, I did like having it on my machine at work WITHOUT the fancypants drivers that made those buttons do something other than f everything up. Anybody who tried to use my machine would quickly learn to leave it alone.

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    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by JoeMerchant on Wednesday September 04, @01:00AM

      by JoeMerchant (3937) on Wednesday September 04, @01:00AM (#1371123)

      Wired. Only wired. I have had too many issues with wireless to bother anymore.

      Wired keyboards, wired mice, wired monitors.

      I confess to using Bluetooth speakers regularly, and they mostly don't mess up too often, but even there I am starting to collect Bluetooth speakers that plug in to AC power instead of dealing with decaying battery capacity.

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  • (Score: 3, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 01, @04:35PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 01, @04:35PM (#1370814)

    Many years ago, in a postgrad computer lab not too far from here, one of the guys left his workstation unlocked over lunch on April 1st. Now in X11 you can remap keycodes to symbols (xmodmap in xinitrc? It's been 25+ years!) and there's this evil device called a keycap puller. So, he ended up with the world's first "ARSEFUCK" keyboard.

  • (Score: 2) by zocalo on Sunday September 01, @04:45PM

    by zocalo (302) on Sunday September 01, @04:45PM (#1370816)
    Not just the ability to reassign (or map out) keys, but the ability to quickly assign macros to them as well. The row of ten multimedia keys across the top of my keyboard is entirely remapped to do things that are huge timesavers by virtue of how many times I only need to press one key instead of what can be several dozen depending on what I'm doing.

    I'm a touch typist, so good tactile response is a pretty close second though.
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  • (Score: 2) by ese002 on Monday September 02, @01:07AM

    by ese002 (5306) on Monday September 02, @01:07AM (#1370844)

    Good keyboards make noise but noise is not the reason why they are good. Touch typing responds to touch not to sound. The best keyboard I ever used on an Apple IIe. Consistent travel maybe half the distance of the classic IBM keyboard and almost silent. It makes for fast, accurate typing.

  • (Score: 2) by Thexalon on Monday September 02, @03:48AM

    by Thexalon (636) on Monday September 02, @03:48AM (#1370851)

    I want to be able to pull my keyboard into my lap and type there, rather than be typing on the laptop (which requires leaning onto the desk a bit) or even worse having to use a virtual keyboard.

    As for noisiness, layout, etc, I'll just say that even cheap modern keyboards are luxurious compared to the IBM Model F I first learned to type on that required a lot more motion to register the keypress.

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  • (Score: 2) by mhajicek on Monday September 02, @06:18AM (1 child)

    by mhajicek (51) on Monday September 02, @06:18AM (#1370865)

    I like a wired, mini keyboard without a numpad. It fits nicely between my trackball and Space Pilot. QWERTY, of course.

    I don't know much about the switches, but I think I would like one with a short travel and a crisp break, like a precision single-stage trigger.

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    • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Wednesday September 04, @01:04AM

      by JoeMerchant (3937) on Wednesday September 04, @01:04AM (#1371125)

      I'm on a 60 key on my small desk these days, I really appreciate the extra mouse movement area it leaves, and I rarely ever wish for a key I don't have.

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  • (Score: 1) by shrewdsheep on Monday September 02, @05:38PM (3 children)

    by shrewdsheep (5215) on Monday September 02, @05:38PM (#1370943)

    Having a trackpoint.

    • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Wednesday September 04, @01:02AM

      by JoeMerchant (3937) on Wednesday September 04, @01:02AM (#1371124)

      How is that RSI wrist doing?

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    • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Freeman on Thursday September 12, @08:26PM

      by Freeman (732) on Thursday September 12, @08:26PM (#1372369) Journal

      Having a trackpoint was the only feature on a laptop that actually improved the user interface. Trackpads are horrible. How to reduce your productivity in one simple step. Use a trackpad. Most of the "time saving" I've done in my job has boiled down to "how to reduce the need for a mouse". Not easy to do, especially when your software transitions from "application" to "web form".

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  • (Score: 5, Informative) by pTamok on Monday September 02, @11:24PM (3 children)

    by pTamok (3042) on Monday September 02, @11:24PM (#1370976)

    Braille is a display medium, not an input medium. It is possible to get keyboards with standard layouts where the key caps are labelled in Braille, but many visually-impaired typists touch-type and only need to identify the home keys, which have distinguishers on most keyboards (usually a raised dot, or a line).

    There are keyboards designed for producing Braille, embossing raised dots onto thick paper tape - the best known is probably the Perkins Brailler [perkins.org]. It has a chording keyboard (press several keys simultaneously to form the letters), and is very robust. A more modern take is the Mountbatten Brailler [wikipedia.org], which also has a chording keyboard, and can be used as a computer printer.

    • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 03, @01:41AM (2 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 03, @01:41AM (#1370985)

      Interesting interpretation of that item. I took it to mean that the keyboard includes a braille display such as a terminal strip or wheel display. I know at least two people who use keyboards with them included so they don't have to have everything read out loud.

      • (Score: 1) by pTamok on Tuesday September 03, @06:15AM (1 child)

        by pTamok (3042) on Tuesday September 03, @06:15AM (#1371002)

        I know several, too. Braille displays are horribly expensive.

        One thing Apple iPhones are good at is accessibility for people with visual impairments: the built-in 'VoiceOver' software that describes what is on the display is remarkably good. It can't compensate for poorly written web-sites or apps though. There's not a lot you can do when every button is labelled 'button' or has no alternative text description at all.

        Chording keyboards for Braille need not be overly expensive: here's one about the size of a smartphone: https://shop.rnib.org.uk/orbit-writer-90694 [rnib.org.uk]
        ...and another: https://shop.rnib.org.uk/a-hable-one-90938 [rnib.org.uk]

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 03, @09:43AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 03, @09:43AM (#1371011)

          Yeah. I was picturing something like this: https://www.aph.org/product/mantis-q40/ [aph.org] That's not the exact one they have but serves as an example to both what I thought and how expensive they can be.

  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by stormwyrm on Tuesday September 03, @07:41PM (2 children)

    by stormwyrm (717) on Tuesday September 03, @07:41PM (#1371080) Journal
    I do so love the tactile feedback from the Model M keyboard. I had a clone keyboard that had more or less the tactile feel of a real Model M that I got to use in my dad's office back then, though it was much lighter. It had 101 keys; this was long before the Windows key was a thing. I used it for a very long time, adding a PS/2 adapter that let me use it with the new machines that came out in the mid-1990s, can't remember if it survived to the USB era though. It finally failed completely in the early 2000s for some unknown reason after something like a dozen years of service. Wound up using laptops for the most part in these later days and it's only recently when I bought a mechanical keyboard that I was reminded of the tactile feel of that old keyboard.
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    • (Score: 2) by VLM on Tuesday September 03, @10:39PM

      by VLM (445) on Tuesday September 03, @10:39PM (#1371110)

      It finally failed completely in the early 2000s for some unknown reason after something like a dozen years of service.

      Sad to hear that. I'm typing this on your description, a M connected to a USB converter (not adapter). Its birthday was 06JAN88 and its part number 1391401 and I've been using it continuously since '98-ish when it was about ten years old. I have about four replacements in my stockpile and I'm still using this first one daily for many hours a day about 26 years later.

      No windows key; the very concept that keyboards existed before "windows keys" sometimes confuses people. I imagine they think the original Apple II has a MS Windows key. Its less of a problem than you'd think. My "Print screen" button has a green "SysRq" on its front side, that is also a long story.

    • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Wednesday September 04, @03:23PM

      by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday September 04, @03:23PM (#1371205) Journal

      I fondly remember the genuine original IBM PC keyboard. The one unwieldy feature of it was that it had two (redundant) sets of F-keys. But they only went up to F10.

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  • (Score: 4, Funny) by Subsentient on Wednesday September 04, @02:37AM

    by Subsentient (1111) on Wednesday September 04, @02:37AM (#1371137) Homepage Journal

    Obviously the flavor and texture of a keyboard is the most important. It must be satisfyingly crunchy, and chewy membrane pads are a bonus. Old, brittle plastic and thick rubber unibody pads are the best. The PCB should be small because those are often bitter and are likened to the crust of bread.

    If I need to soften it up in a microwave, it's best if it lacks a metal backplate, microwaves are $40 a piece and it burns out the magnetron quicker.

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  • (Score: 2) by Mykl on Wednesday September 04, @04:10AM

    by Mykl (1112) on Wednesday September 04, @04:10AM (#1371147)

    I much prefer keyboards with low travel distance. The Apple desktop keyboards are really nice in that regard - they have a good feel to them and you don't need to move your fingers all that far to tap a character out.

  • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 04, @04:44AM (2 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 04, @04:44AM (#1371149)

    if "QWERTY" and "silent" are categories, "split" should definitely be one. much more important keyboard characteristic. not being paid to say this, but I spoiled myself with one of these https://ultimatehackingkeyboard.com/ [ultimatehackingkeyboard.com]

    • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Thursday September 05, @01:31AM (1 child)

      by JoeMerchant (3937) on Thursday September 05, @01:31AM (#1371309)

      Like other customizations, I would rather not train to such a rare bird in the real world.

      Also, the split layout would seem to strongly penalize one handed keying, for instance: while the other hand is using a mouse or touch screen...

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 05, @04:18AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 05, @04:18AM (#1371324)

        actually I have no problem with using a regular keyboard (other than uncomfortable position). touch typing works fine.
        one-handed typing: not an issue for me, but obviously the two halves can be placed next to each other if need be.

  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by DannyB on Wednesday September 04, @03:12PM (3 children)

    by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday September 04, @03:12PM (#1371199) Journal

    Not even a Braille [wikipedia.org] Dvorak [wikipedia.org] keyboard?

    Not even a Braille Dvorak keyboard with RGB LEDs?

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    • (Score: 2) by acid andy on Thursday September 05, @10:29AM (2 children)

      by acid andy (1683) on Thursday September 05, @10:29AM (#1371341) Homepage Journal

      Good man, Danny. I had several goes at adopting a Dvorak layout as I love the concept but the ubiquity of Qwerty won in the end. It doesn't help that so many bits of software assume a Qwerty layout and make things more inconvenient on Dvorak.

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      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Covalent on Thursday September 05, @08:37PM (1 child)

        by Covalent (43) on Thursday September 05, @08:37PM (#1371444) Journal

        Exactly this. LOVE Dvorak...but switching keycaps on a laptop is difficult, and QWERTY is everywhere.

        Dvorak...so smooth...kinda like this guy:

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_C._Dvorak [wikipedia.org]

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        • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 06, @01:35PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 06, @01:35PM (#1371533)

          I think you're doing touch-typing wrong if you need to switch the keycaps.
          for what it's worth I decided on keeping qwerty because I needed to use other's people computers from time to time.

  • (Score: 1) by Hauke on Wednesday September 04, @06:53PM

    by Hauke (5186) on Wednesday September 04, @06:53PM (#1371247)

    I use one at home for general use. The older 5-PIN DIN (Model 2189014) has a better tactile feel than the more "recent" PS-2 versions (Model 2194001 on).
    Nearly half the cable length consists of converting the 5-PIN DIN to USB. (Yes, there are direct converters, but where's the fun in that?)

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  • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 05, @02:49AM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 05, @02:49AM (#1371319)

    I like a force profile that allows me to actuate and then stop before I bottom out. Cherry Clear is a good example.

  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by LVDOVICVS on Thursday September 05, @08:42PM

    by LVDOVICVS (6131) on Thursday September 05, @08:42PM (#1371446)

    Got interested years ago in doing machine shorthand. I can only do about 120 words a minute but the keyboard used is like none I've used before or since.

    It's interesting too how different other languages layouts are.

  • (Score: 2) by KritonK on Friday September 06, @05:59AM

    by KritonK (465) on Friday September 06, @05:59AM (#1371495)

    I use a ;ςερτυ / :ΣΕΡΤΥ [bgelectronics.eu] keyboard!

  • (Score: 2) by Tork on Friday September 06, @04:18PM (2 children)

    by Tork (3914) Subscriber Badge on Friday September 06, @04:18PM (#1371565)
    So.... I do love my physical keyboard, but these days I'm not in front of that as often as I used to be and so I jot a lot of shit down in my smart phone. While it's not the least productive input method I've ever used I still ache to sit at my desk sometimes.

    You know what I wish? Back when the iPhone came out people started taking a serious look at all-screen devices that don't have physical buttons anymore and trying to work out ways to adapt to that new world. At some point it was suggested that they add a lil protrusion on the screen, a little tiny bump you can just barely feel, and that would act as a form of home-row. Just like a lot of modern keyboards have today so you can align your fingers to the home row. I don't know if that would actually work but maaaan I would love to try it, because I could type a lot faster on this stupid thing if I wasn't hitting backspace half the time.
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    • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Tuesday September 10, @09:05PM

      by JoeMerchant (3937) on Tuesday September 10, @09:05PM (#1372077)

      When I am in a hurry, I'll email myself from the phone, using voice recognition. As long as you don't care about accuracy it's pretty easy to use.

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    • (Score: 3, Touché) by Freeman on Thursday September 12, @08:32PM

      by Freeman (732) on Thursday September 12, @08:32PM (#1372370) Journal

      I take it all back. The largest hit to productivity is "insert smartphone here". Then again, if you don't mind talking out loud, it could be "not awful". Speech to Text has gotten pretty good in recent years. Also, you won't end up with arthritis at the age of 30, because your primary method of typing was on a smartphone.

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  • (Score: 2) by cmdrklarg on Friday September 06, @07:01PM (4 children)

    by cmdrklarg (5048) Subscriber Badge on Friday September 06, @07:01PM (#1371590)

    I wish I could get a USB version of Microsoft's old PS2 Internet Keyboard. https://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Internet-Keyboard-PS-Interface/dp/B00002MZ8G [amazon.com]

    IMHO it was "just right". Good feel, just the right amount of clicky, just all around comfortable to use. Didn't care much about the hotkeys, only one I'd use is the calculator one. I still have a couple used ones in storage here at work, can't bring myself to get rid of them.

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    • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Tuesday September 10, @09:05PM (3 children)

      by JoeMerchant (3937) on Tuesday September 10, @09:05PM (#1372078)

      There are converter dongles.

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      • (Score: 2) by Freeman on Thursday September 12, @08:21PM (2 children)

        by Freeman (732) on Thursday September 12, @08:21PM (#1372368) Journal

        And/or get a motherboard that still supports ps/2. Nowadays, they typically only include one keyboard/mouse ps/2 port, but it's still a feature you can get. Also, screw laptops, and pre-built computers in general.

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        • (Score: 3, Interesting) by JoeMerchant on Thursday September 12, @10:22PM (1 child)

          by JoeMerchant (3937) on Thursday September 12, @10:22PM (#1372381)

          I seem to recall a PS2 splitter that allowed keyboard and mouse into one port, seems like it may have been a cheap simple wire arrangement, but that was 20+ years ago.

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          • (Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 12, @10:54PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 12, @10:54PM (#1372385)

            Whether or not a PS/2 splitter will work is surprisingly complex. The port itself was not designed to multiplex signals like that. This means there are different "standards" on how to split a PS/2 port and they are not compatible with each other. Basically, some use unused pins for data and clock and others (ab)use the protocol itself in different ways to allow multiple devices. Most Super I/O chips today can handle both by detecting what's going on at boot or a setting in the BIOS/UEFI. However, not all do and it can be impossible to tell in advance which you have.

  • (Score: 2, Funny) by DECbot on Monday September 09, @09:58PM

    by DECbot (832) on Monday September 09, @09:58PM (#1371959) Journal

    Favorite keyboard option:
      [x] CowboyNeal under the desk pushing the depressed keys back up.

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  • (Score: 2) by turgid on Wednesday September 11, @09:26PM (2 children)

    by turgid (4318) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday September 11, @09:26PM (#1372229) Journal

    I require an ergonomic keyboard because I get performance-limiting pains in my head, neck, shoulders, arms and hands when I use and ordinary keyboard. My physiotherapist recommended a Microsoft Sculpt keyboard about five years ago, which was expensive, but helped with the aches and pains. I was never really happy with it in terms of typing performance, though. It was better than an ordinary keyboard. Recently it wore out and I now have a Logitech Ergo K860 which is much better. I can type much faster and more accurately on it.

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Freeman on Thursday September 12, @08:36PM

      by Freeman (732) on Thursday September 12, @08:36PM (#1372371) Journal

      Ergonomic keyboards are reasonably okay and maybe something people should "just have".

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    • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 13, @11:40AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 13, @11:40AM (#1372453)

      I first got hooked on microsoft natural ergonomic 4000, but they discontinued that.
      in any case, I now have a properly split keyboard with independent halves (I already plugged the thing above, I'm not gonna do it again). I was a bit worried about the keyboard rows not being curved, but I had no issues adjusting to that (and the occasional use of the laptop keyboard is no longer as annoying as it used to be).
      now that I think about it, I'm somewhat attached to both the "split" and "reverse inclined/tented" properties.

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