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posted by NCommander on Thursday February 13 2014, @04:14AM   Printer-friendly
from the wipe-your-feet-at-the-door dept.
By the time this post goes live, we'll be proudly serving our first few users. Right now, we are still working on nailing some outstanding issues with slash (most notably, moderation), but we're at the point that I'd like to get some early feedback, and allow others to run through the system and test stuff. Please make sure to read the preceding posts, feel free to comment, and enjoy!

EDIT: Struck a naught word -- NCommander

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Welcome to SoylentNews! 23 comments
I know it's been a long wait, but we've been steadily moving towards launch. With luck, you're reading this on the main index of the site, which means we've gone, and haven't gone mad in the process. Now that we're here, we hope to have made the wait worth it, but we depend on everyone in the community. To make this site a success, we depend on each and every single user even if its just from passing word of mouth. Remember, every single user can submit stories, moderate, and contribute to discussions all at the same time, and that's what makes us unique. May I be the first to welcome you to your new home.
Reworking Moderation Access 30 comments
As the to-do list of tasks continues to be whittled bit by bit towards launch, one large item remains: distribution of moderation points. While I wish I could reuse the existing Slash code, the fact is that this code is completely inappropriate for a site smaller than Slashdot. So, I've been working with a couple of users in chat to rework the underlying math so that mod point distribution actually works in a reasonable way. If you're interested in the potential algorithm behind this, read on. Be warned, it is a bit dry and technical.
Meta: SoylentNews is... FIVE YEARS OLD! 108 comments

It all started when Slashdot rolled out a new, "Beta" user interface that was soundly disliked. In response, they posted a story calling us an "audience". That did not go over well. At all. Cries of "Buck Feta" were numerous and frequent. Then came a call for a Slashdot boycott — a "Slashcott" — scheduled for the week of February 10-17, 2014.

While the Slashcott was going on, a handful of intrepid nerds pulled down the (horribly out-of-date and unmaintained) open source code dump of Slashcode, forked it, and started whacking it into shape. This culminated in our announcement to the world: Welcome to the World of Tomorrow... Today!.

Now, one could argue as to the exact date of our birth. Was it when the domain "soylentnews.org" was first registered? (2014-02-09T01:50:26Z) How about when the first user was registered to the site? (2014-02-12 06:00:06 "NCommander") Or, maybe, the very first story posted to the site? Welcome Testers ... (2014.02.11 21:28 UTC)

Whichever one of those you choose, it has now been at least FIVE years...

HAPPY BIRTHDAY SOYLENTNEWS!

We've had hiccups along the way. Even the past year was not problem-free. Server reboots so our hosting provider, Linode, could roll out mitigations for the Spectre and Meltdown attacks. Then we had a server go down on us, which would not be such a big deal except its mirror had already predeceased it, so there was nothing to fail over to. A couple more issues with Apache and nginx going off to who-knows-where and needing to be restarted. Oh, and our mailserver decided to stop serving mail at one point, too. There may have been another couple of things which happened over the past year that escape me at the moment, but all-in-all I would like to think we are doing a pretty good job of keeping things up and running. Consider we are an entirely volunteer organization. Consider, too, that big-named sites like Wells Fargo, TSB, Google, and others all had site-wide outages in one or more of their services... we've got a good group here and it has been truly a wonderful experience to be a part of what keeps this site running.

A quick look around the site reveals some interesting statistics. That by week's end, we will have posted our 26,000th story. To that, add the 3,994 journal entries that have been posted by the community. We had our 800,000th comment posted to the site just this week. We have had, however, comparatively few comment moderations: ~540,000. We have 7,333 registered users, too!

Many thanks are in order to those who have helped keep everything up and running. Not just the sysops who lurk in the background, but also those of you who have opened your wallets and bought the subscriptions which pay the server bills, domain registrations, as well as the CPA for filing taxes, and the like.

Ultimately, this site is for you, the community. We focus stories on those which have a technical or science (aka nerd) angle with maybe a politically oriented story posted each day. And an occasional story that looks like it might engender discussion. There are plenty of other sites which cater to the latest Hollywood gossip, political machinations, recipes, and cat pictures... you've made it clear you don't want a bunch of that here. Submit stories. Make journal entries. Post and moderate comments.

Yes, we have had many accomplishments over these years, but we know nothing is perfect. We are overdue for a site upgrade, but it's likely nothing much will happen for a few months until TheMightyBuzzard can free up some of his time to work on it. Complaining is easy, but if you have concrete suggestions on what we could do better and how we might go about it, we can't promise anything (one man's drink is another man's poison), but we will certainly give it serious consideration.

If you should run into an issue with the site, please send details to admin (at) soylentnews.org noting the date/time/timezone and any data you can provide to help us locate and isolate the problem. That includes the URL for the story or journal entry. If it pertains to a comment, then please also include a link to that, as well. (That is the link under the (#nnnnn) in the comment header). Fair warning: complaining in the comments about a story not being accepted or about the moderation of one of your comments is generally off-topic and often moderated that way. Exception: if you accidentally modded a comment as spam, or have had a comment of yours moderated as spam that you think is incorrect, please send an e-mail to the admin address and we will take a look at it. We are running a bit lean on staff ATM with several of us in the midst of time-consuming things IRL, so please be patient.

Thank you.

Thanks to all of you who have helped this site persevere all these years!


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A Watermark for Chatbots can Expose Text Written by an AI 5 comments

The tool could let teachers spot plagiarism or help social media platforms fight disinformation bots:

Hidden patterns purposely buried in AI-generated texts could help identify them as such, allowing us to tell whether the words we're reading are written by a human or not.

These "watermarks" are invisible to the human eye but let computers detect that the text probably comes from an AI system. If embedded in large language models, they could help prevent some of the problems that these models have already caused.

For example, since OpenAI's chatbot ChatGPT was launched in November, students have already started cheating by using it to write essays for them. News website CNET has used ChatGPT to write articles, only to have to issue corrections amid accusations of plagiarism. Building the watermarking approach into such systems before they're released could help address such problems.

In studies, these watermarks have already been used to identify AI-generated text with near certainty. Researchers at the University of Maryland, for example, were able to spot text created by Meta's open-source language model, OPT-6.7B, using a detection algorithm they built. The work is described in a paper that's yet to be peer-reviewed, and the code will be available for free around February 15.

[...] There are limitations to this new method, however. Watermarking only works if it is embedded in the large language model by its creators right from the beginning. Although OpenAI is reputedly working on methods to detect AI-generated text, including watermarks, the research remains highly secretive. The company doesn't tend to give external parties much information about how ChatGPT works or was trained, much less access to tinker with it. OpenAI didn't immediately respond to our request for comment.

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  • (Score: 0, Offtopic) by mattie_p on Thursday February 13 2014, @04:29AM

    by mattie_p (13) on Thursday February 13 2014, @04:29AM (#7) Journal
    Had to do it.
    • (Score: 0, Offtopic) by Dopefish on Thursday February 13 2014, @04:47AM

      by Dopefish (12) on Thursday February 13 2014, @04:47AM (#10)
      I second this comment!
      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 13 2014, @05:00AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 13 2014, @05:00AM (#15)
        Thirded!
    • (Score: 2, Insightful) by CowboyTeal on Thursday February 13 2014, @04:56AM

      by CowboyTeal (15) on Thursday February 13 2014, @04:56AM (#11)
      If I had modpoints I'd mod you down you horrible, horrible person you!
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      • (Score: 1, Funny) by mattie_p on Thursday February 13 2014, @04:58AM

        by mattie_p (13) on Thursday February 13 2014, @04:58AM (#13) Journal
        Don't hate the playa', hate the game, fool!
  • (Score: 1) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday February 13 2014, @05:26AM

    by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Thursday February 13 2014, @05:26AM (#22) Homepage Journal

    can't make a new base level comment in the beta test story

    You sure about that?

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  • (Score: 2, Insightful) by FrogBlast on Thursday February 13 2014, @05:33AM

    by FrogBlast (21) on Thursday February 13 2014, @05:33AM (#28)
    Make a 115x80 version of the logo without "...is people!"
    • (Score: 1) by FrogBlast on Friday February 14 2014, @06:53AM

      by FrogBlast (21) on Friday February 14 2014, @06:53AM (#67)
      I have provided a revised logo.
  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 13 2014, @06:05AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 13 2014, @06:05AM (#35)
    Nice try, capn burrito!
  • (Score: 1) by AudioGuy on Thursday February 13 2014, @06:25AM

    by AudioGuy (24) on Thursday February 13 2014, @06:25AM (#37) Journal
    There is an off by one error in the red colored boxes, between the fill and the border. Suggest using border-radius in the css, this will show a rounded corner for the newer browsers and square corners for older browsers. And will not need graphic pieces at all.
    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 16 2014, @04:50AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 16 2014, @04:50AM (#202)

      yeah there is some things to be adjusted in the stylesheets, for example the
      [Reply to This] -links could be a bit less eye-stealing visible.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 16 2014, @04:56AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 16 2014, @04:56AM (#204)

        the system should not add blank lines before&after comments when submitted as Plain Old Text either

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 24 2014, @04:17AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 24 2014, @04:17AM (#35351)

      I want to know if Soylent news will permit Unicode text. The following is a five-verse extract of introduction of the poem Mednyj Vsadnik; by A. S. Pushkin (in Russian):

              По оживлённым берегам
              Громады Ñтройные теÑнÑÑ‚ÑÑ
              Дворцов и башен; корабли
              Толпой Ñо вÑех концов земли
              К богатым приÑтанÑм ÑтремÑÑ‚ÑÑ;

  • (Score: 1) by neagix on Thursday February 13 2014, @06:35AM

    by neagix (25) on Thursday February 13 2014, @06:35AM (#38)
    ...that we are going to make it even better than before :) One minor UI issue: the Reply button could be on the left side, more visible
  • (Score: 1) by Maow on Thursday February 13 2014, @09:10AM

    by Maow (8) on Thursday February 13 2014, @09:10AM (#51) Homepage

    There's a smilie-face next to each and every commenter's name - indicating friend / foe type of relationship.

    Gah, I hate those things - yellow laser pointers aiming at my eyes from the pages - all the pages...

    (I know it's not an actual smiling face, but it has the same annoyance level.)

    • (Score: 1) by Maow on Thursday February 13 2014, @09:14AM

      by Maow (8) on Thursday February 13 2014, @09:14AM (#52) Homepage

      Also notice that Plain Old Text comment style in user prefs doesn't "stick", I keep getting HTML Formatted when making a comment or reloading User Prefs page.

      During the composition of a comment, I can set Plain Old Text and it works.

    • (Score: 1) by Covalent on Friday February 14 2014, @05:31PM

      by Covalent (43) on Friday February 14 2014, @05:31PM (#80) Journal

      Agreed. We want old school...but not THAT old school.

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      • (Score: 1) by unitron on Sunday February 16 2014, @02:11AM

        by unitron (70) on Sunday February 16 2014, @02:11AM (#186) Journal
        I'm stealing your sig because sooner or later it's bound to come in handy somewhere. : - )
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        • (Score: 1) by Covalent on Sunday February 16 2014, @03:53AM

          by Covalent (43) on Sunday February 16 2014, @03:53AM (#196) Journal
          I stole it myself. I liked it so much I figured I'd take it. You're welcome to use it.
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    • (Score: 1) by janrinok on Friday February 14 2014, @08:44PM

      by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Friday February 14 2014, @08:44PM (#102) Journal
      I wish I knew. It actually is far better looking than I am and that really annoys me.

      Just checking how the text formatting works.

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    • (Score: 1) by ragequit on Friday February 14 2014, @08:50PM

      by ragequit (44) on Friday February 14 2014, @08:50PM (#103) Journal
      They are bestest.
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      • (Score: 1) by ragequit on Friday February 14 2014, @08:56PM

        by ragequit (44) on Friday February 14 2014, @08:56PM (#106) Journal
        Atleast

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        3. like

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  • (Score: 1) by paulej72 on Sunday February 16 2014, @05:11PM

    by paulej72 (58) on Sunday February 16 2014, @05:11PM (#278) Journal

    This is a test

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