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posted by charon on Saturday June 03 2017, @05:04AM   Printer-friendly
from the you-can't-escape-your-legacy dept.

Citrix has launched an application specifically aimed at Windows 10 S, and thus published in the Windows Store, which makes it possible to run Win32 software even if it's not available in the Store.

Source: Softpedia

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New Windows 10 S Only Runs Software From Windows Store


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New Windows 10 S Only Runs Software From Windows Store 54 comments

Microsoft has announced a new version of Windows called Windows 10 S. It only runs apps from the Windows Store, and is positioned between Windows 10 Home and Windows 10 Pro, both of which can run third party applications. Microsoft also announced a new line of Surface laptops running the OS. The laptops have been described as competing with either Google's Chromebooks or Apple's MacBook Air, and aimed at students:

Windows 10 S is Windows 10 with its wings slightly clipped: it can only run apps from the Windows Store, disabling compatibility with the enormous breadth of Windows programs out there, which in the educational context translates to better security, consistent performance, focus for students, and improved battery life. It's cheaper and less versatile than Windows 10 Pro, which is exactly what schools are looking for (and the thing that's had them gravitating toward Google's Chrome OS in recent times).

[...] Immediately upon its introduction, Windows 10 S spans a price range from $189 to $2,199 (for the top Surface Laptop spec). So is this a straightforward and affordable solution for mass educational deployment? Or is it a super streamlined operating system for powering extremely desirable and long-lasting laptops? Yes. Microsoft's answer to both of those things is yes. It's not impossible to achieve both goals with the same software, of course, but it is difficult to position the OS in people's minds.

[...] The Windows on ARM effort is going to be rekindled by the end of this year, and Windows 10 S is the likeliest candidate to be the OS of choice for those new computers, in which case the significance of the S label will once again be complicated. Come the holidays, buying a Windows 10 S PC could mean getting either an Intel or an ARM machine, it could mean cheap and cheerful or it could be a premium portable.

Also at the Washington Post, Engadget, Laptop Mag, and Business Insider.

As well as BGR, Mashable, The Independent, PC World, Tech Radar, ZDNet, Ars Technica, Fossbytes, TechCrunch #1, TechCrunch #2, Venture Beat, and The Street.

What do you think the 'S' stands for?

Previously: Ask Soylent: Ramifications of Removing Windows Store from Enterprise Installs?
Microsoft Adds Store App-Only Restriction as Option in Windows 10


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Microsoft Knows Windows is Obsolete. Here's a Sneak Peek at Its Replacement. 160 comments

Microsoft's only choice to move forward is to throw the Win32 baby out with the bathwater. And that brings us to the introduction of Windows 10 S.

Windows 10 S is just like the Windows 10 you use now, but the main difference is it can only run apps that have been whitelisted to run in the Windows Store. That means, by and large, existing Win32-based stuff cannot run in Windows 10 S for security reasons.

To bridge the app gap, Microsoft is allowing certain kinds of desktop apps to be "packaged" for use in the Windows Store through a tooling process known as Desktop Bridge or Project Centennial.

The good news is that with Project Centennial, many Desktop Win32 apps can be re-purposed and packaged to take advantage of Windows 10's improved security. However, there are apps that will inevitably be left behind because they violate the sandboxing rules that are needed to make the technology work in a secure fashion.

"A casualty of those sandboxing rules is Google's Chrome browser. For security reasons, Microsoft is not permitting desktop browsers to be ported to the Store."


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First ARM Snapdragon-Based Windows 10 S Systems Announced 11 comments

Microsoft Windows is back on ARM:

Just shy of a year after announcing that Windows was once again going to be available on ARM systems, the first two systems were announced today: the Asus NovaGo 2-in-1 laptop, and the HP Envy x2 tablet.

[...] The Asus laptop boasts 22 hours of battery life or 30 days of standby, along with LTE that can run at gigabit speeds. HP's tablet offers a 12.3 inch, 1920×1280 screen, 20 hours battery life or 29 days of standby, and a removable keyboard-cover and stylus. Both systems use the Snapdragon 835 processor and X16 LTE modem, with HP offering up to 8GB RAM and 256GB storage to go with it.

Lenovo is expected to announce a similar system in the coming weeks.

Also at The Verge, Engadget, and TechCrunch.

Previously: Big Changes Planned by Microsoft - Windows 10 on ARM, Laptops to Behave More Like Phones
Windows 10 PCs Running on Qualcomm Snapdragon 835 to Arrive this Year
New Windows 10 S Only Runs Software From Windows Store
Microsoft Knows Windows is Obsolete. Here's a Sneak Peek at Its Replacement.
New App Allows Win32 Software to Run on Windows 10 S
Intel Hints at Patent Fight With Microsoft and Qualcomm Over x86 Emulation


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  • (Score: 3, Informative) by jmorris on Saturday June 03 2017, @05:28AM (9 children)

    by jmorris (4844) Subscriber Badge <jmorrisNO@SPAMbeau.org> on Saturday June 03 2017, @05:28AM (#519740)

    As even the comments on the article note, this does nothing of the sort. It is just a VM viewer to look at apps running on Citrix hosted machines elsewhere.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 03 2017, @06:23AM (2 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 03 2017, @06:23AM (#519753)

      Everything is Cloud.

    • (Score: 2) by butthurt on Saturday June 03 2017, @06:38AM (1 child)

      by butthurt (6141) on Saturday June 03 2017, @06:38AM (#519756) Journal

      The comments don't display for me, but apart from that I see it's just as you say. Thanks!

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citrix_Receiver [wikipedia.org]

      • (Score: 2) by jmorris on Saturday June 03 2017, @08:21AM

        by jmorris (4844) Subscriber Badge <jmorrisNO@SPAMbeau.org> on Saturday June 03 2017, @08:21AM (#519771)

        That is a growing problem, especially with noscript, ghostery, etc. running. These days even seeing the main content is getting spotty, though I find banning javascript from the principle site usually fixes that. Not the answer they expected, and I expect them to work around that soon enough. It truly is a war now.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 03 2017, @10:59AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 03 2017, @10:59AM (#519799)

      Of course. If it actually did this, it would stay in the Windows store exactly as long as it took for one of their customer support reps to hear about it, click the appropriate check box, and click "DELETE."

    • (Score: 2) by Pino P on Saturday June 03 2017, @05:18PM (2 children)

      by Pino P (4721) on Saturday June 03 2017, @05:18PM (#519914) Journal

      Remote desktop to a VM won't work offline.

      Microsoft has promoted Windows 10 S to the education market. But AP Computer Science classes rely on access to a compiler, and compilers explicitly do not run on Windows 10 S. In theory, a school district issuing Windows 10 laptops to high school students could use this to make a compiler available to students taking AP Computer Science. But this means students will need Internet access, and not all students' parents subscribe to Internet access at home. I guess students could stay after school, complete all homework, and leave late, but I doubt that it's convenient for working parents to pick up students from school, especially if they're doing without home Internet access to make ends meet.

      • (Score: 2) by jmorris on Saturday June 03 2017, @06:27PM (1 child)

        by jmorris (4844) Subscriber Badge <jmorrisNO@SPAMbeau.org> on Saturday June 03 2017, @06:27PM (#519929)

        There may be a model AP class somewhere in Silicon Valley that compiles code, but I'd like to actually see it. And it would of course be Visual Basic in Visual Studio. These days if kids get exposed to JavaScript it is above average, and I'd settle for em actually spending time with Scratch.

        In fact I'd go so far as to say any school trying to get high school students using a compiler is probably doing it wrong unless they are so far advanced it is qualifying for college credits. Teach em concepts, teach em Python, don't bother with implementation details of a specific compiler toolset.

        • (Score: 2) by urza9814 on Monday June 05 2017, @03:03PM

          by urza9814 (3954) Subscriber Badge on Monday June 05 2017, @03:03PM (#520771) Journal

          There may be a model AP class somewhere in Silicon Valley that compiles code, but I'd like to actually see it. And it would of course be Visual Basic in Visual Studio. These days if kids get exposed to JavaScript it is above average, and I'd settle for em actually spending time with Scratch.

          In fact I'd go so far as to say any school trying to get high school students using a compiler is probably doing it wrong unless they are so far advanced it is qualifying for college credits. Teach em concepts, teach em Python, don't bother with implementation details of a specific compiler toolset.

          Seems like you are extremely confused about what an "AP class" is and what they're teaching in highschools these days. First of all, there's no "so far advanced it is qualifying for college credits" when you talk about AP classes -- because that is pretty much the definition of an AP class. "AP" doesn't just mean above grade level, it's a registered tradmark of the College Board which refers to a specific program of classes intended to provide college credit.

          Secondly, these AP computer science classes MUST be taught in Java and therefore MUST use a compiler. There's no alternative if you want to call it "AP". Certainly not Visual Basic. There are multiple levels of AP computer science classes but the goals of the lowest level course includes:

          Students should be able to:
          • design, implement, and analyze solutions to problems.
          • use and implement commonly used algorithms.
          • use standard data structures.
          • develop and select appropriate algorithms and data structures to solve new problems.
          • write solutions fluently in an object-oriented paradigm.
          write, run, test, and debug solutions in the Java programming language, utilizing standard Java library classes and interfaces from the AP Java subset.
          • read and understand programs consisting of several classes and interacting objects.
          • read and understand a description of the design and development process leading to such a program. (Examples of such solutions can be found in the AP Computer Science Labs.)
          • understand the ethical and social implications of computer use.

            - http://media.collegeboard.com/digitalServices/pdf/ap/ap-computer-science-a-course-description.pdf [collegeboard.com]

  • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 03 2017, @06:39AM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 03 2017, @06:39AM (#519757)

    My cock just grew 10 inches. Oh yeah! Oh yeah! I'm not Micro! I'm not Soft!

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 03 2017, @11:59AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 03 2017, @11:59AM (#519815)

      Shame you are not on the farm.

      Cocks don't do anything but fertilize the hen. Don't need any more than one or two of 'em.

      Noisy things, too. On the farm, that's not a big thing, but it will make for lots of complaints in a suburban neighborhood.

      A big cock will make a filling dinner. Southern Fried Chicken.... Yum!

      Oh, yours? Lemme see if the cat's hungry. Not enough there to heat the oil up for. Otherwise, flip it over the fence there,,, the hawgs will eat anything.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 03 2017, @04:05PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 03 2017, @04:05PM (#519893)

    you can take your windows shit to the register.

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