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Exclusive: U.S. lawmakers urge AT&T to cut commercial ties with Huawei - sources

U.S. lawmakers are urging AT&T Inc, the No. 2 wireless carrier, to cut commercial ties to Chinese phone maker Huawei Technologies Co Ltd and oppose plans by telecom operator China Mobile Ltd to enter the U.S. market because of national security concerns, two congressional aides said.

[...] Earlier this month, AT&T was forced to scrap a plan to offer its customers Huawei handsets after some members of Congress lobbied against the idea with federal regulators, sources told Reuters.

The U.S. government has also blocked a string of Chinese acquisitions over national security concerns, including Ant Financial's proposed purchase of U.S. money transfer company MoneyGram International Inc.

The lawmakers are also advising U.S. firms that if they have ties to Huawei or China Mobile, it could hamper their ability to do business with the U.S. government, one aide said, requesting anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly.

Related: NSA Spied on Chinese Government and Huawei
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Federal Government, Concerned About Cyberespionage, Bans Use of Kaspersky Labs Products


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NSA Spied on Chinese Government and Huawei 12 comments

omoc writes:

"From the SPON article:

"The American government conducted a major intelligence offensive against China, with targets including the Chinese government and networking company Huawei, according to documents from former NSA worker Edward Snowden that have been viewed by SPIEGEL. Among the American intelligence service's targets were former Chinese President Hu Jintao, the Chinese Trade Ministry, banks, as well as telecommunications companies. But the NSA made a special effort to target Huawei.

According to a top secret NSA presentation, NSA workers not only succeeded in accessing the email archive, but also the secret source code of individual Huwaei products."

Kaspersky Willing to Hand Source Code Over to U.S. Government 60 comments
Kaspersky Willing to Hand Source Code Over to U.S. Government

Kaspersky Lab is willing to go to extreme lengths to reassure the U.S. government about the security of its products:

Eugene Kaspersky is willing to turn over computer code to United States authorities to prove that his company's security products have not been compromised by the Russian government, The Associated Press reported early Sunday.

"If the United States needs, we can disclose the source code," said the creator of beleaguered Moscow-based computer security company Kaspersky Lab in an interview with the AP.

"Anything I can do to prove that we don't behave maliciously I will do it."

Also at Neowin.

In Worrisome Move, Kaspersky Agrees to Turn Over Source Code to US Government

Over the last couple of weeks, there's been a disturbing trend of governments demanding that private tech companies share their source code if they want to do business. Now, the US government is giving the same ultimatum and it's getting what it wants.

On Sunday, the CEO of security firm Kaspersky Labs, Eugene Kaspersky, told the Associated Press that he's willing to show the US government his company's source code. "Anything I can do to prove that we don't behave maliciously I will do it," Kaspersky said while insisting that he's open to testifying before Congress as well.

The company's willingness to share its source code comes after a proposal was put forth in the Senate that "prohibits the [Defense Department] from using software platforms developed by Kaspersky Lab." It goes on to say, "The Secretary of Defense shall ensure that any network connection between ... the Department of Defense and a department or agency of the United States Government that is using or hosting on its networks a software platform [associated with Kaspersky Lab] is immediately severed."

Jeanne Shaheen, a New Hampshire Democrat tells ABC News, that there is "a consensus in Congress and among administration officials that Kaspersky Lab cannot be trusted to protect critical infrastructure." The fears follow years of suspicion from the FBI that Kaspersky Labs is too close to the Russian government. The company is based in Russia but has worked with both Moscow and the FBI in the past, often serving as a go-between to help the two governments cooperate. "As a private company, Kaspersky Lab has no ties to any government, and the company has never helped, nor will help, any government in the world with its cyberespionage efforts," an official statement from Kaspersky Labs reads.

Source: Gizmodo


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Kaspersky Lab has been Working With Russian Intelligence 20 comments

According to emails from October 2009 obtained by Jordan Robertson and Michael Riley at Bloomberg it appears that Kaspersky Lab has been working with Russian Intelligence. Despite long standing rumours over these connections Eugene Kaspersky has always denied this to be the case, including as recently as last week in response to questions in the US Senate by Florida Republican Marco Rubio when he stated that "Claims about Kaspersky Lab's ties to the Kremlin are "unfounded conspiracy theories" and "total BS,"" on Reddit, and even offering to hand over the source code to the US Government for inspection.

While the exact nature of the co-operation with the FSB is still unclear, in the emails Kaspersky outlines a project undertaken in secret a year earlier "per a big request on the Lubyanka side," a reference to the FSB offices, that "includes both technology to protect against attacks (filters) as well as interaction with the hosters ('spreading' of sacrifice) and active countermeasures (about which, we keep quiet) and so on," Kaspersky wrote in one of the emails. Kaspersky Lab has confirmed that the emails are authentic. Whether this was legitimate work with the FSB in the prevention of cybercrime or securing FSB facilities or something more nefarious, it seems likely that this is not going to alleviate concerns over the use of their software putting further pressure on Kaspersky's business in other countries.


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FBI Reportedly Advising Companies to Ditch Kaspersky Apps 17 comments

Kaspersky Lab's tussle with the US government could have ramifications for its dealings with the private sector. A new report claims the FBI has been meeting with companies to warn them of the threat posed by the cybersecurity firm. The briefings are the latest chapter in an ongoing saga concerning the use of Kaspersky's products by government agencies. Officials claim the company is a Russian stooge that can't be trusted with protecting America's critical infrastructure. The company denies these claims -- its CEO Eugene Kaspersky has even offered up its source code in a bid to clear his firm's name.

It appears that olive branch went unnoticed. Throughout the year, the FBI has been meeting with US firms to convince them to remove Kaspersky Lab's tools from their systems, according to officials that spoke to CyberScoop. In view of the cyberattacks that crippled Ukraine's power grid in 2016, the FBI has reportedly focussed its briefings on companies in the energy sector. Although, it has also supposedly met with major tech firms too.

The law enforcement agency has apparently been sharing its threat assessment with the companies, including Kaspersky Lab's alleged deep ties with Russian intelligence. However, the meetings have reportedly yielded mixed results. Whereas firms in the energy sector have been quick to cooperate, tech giants have resisted taking swift action, claims CyberScoop.

Source: EnGadget


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Federal Government, Concerned About Cyberespionage, Bans Use of Kaspersky Labs Products 26 comments

The Washington Post is reporting U.S. moves to ban Kaspersky software in federal agencies amid concerns of Russian espionage:

Acting Homeland Security secretary Elaine Duke ordered that Kaspersky Lab software be barred from federal civilian government networks, giving agencies a timeline to get rid of it, according to several officials familiar with the plan who were not authorized to speak publicly about it. Duke ordered the scrub on the grounds that the company has connections to the Russian government and its software poses a security risk.

[...] "The risk that the Russian government, whether acting on its own or in collaboration with Kaspersky, could capitalize on access provided by Kaspersky products to compromise federal information and information systems directly implicates U.S. national security."

[...] The directive comes months after the federal General Services Administration, the agency in charge of government purchasing, removed Kaspersky from its list of approved vendors. In doing so, the GSA suggested a vulnerability exists in Kaspersky that could give the Kremlin backdoor access to the systems the company protects.

Someone that is in a position to know all about it tells me that Kaspersky doesn't detect malware created by the Russian Business Network. My fear is that if I named that someone, the RBN will give that someone a bad hair day.

[Ed. addition follows]

The full text of the DHS notice is available at https://www.dhs.gov/news/2017/09/13/dhs-statement-issuance-binding-operational-directive-17-01.

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FBI Reportedly Advising Companies to Ditch Kaspersky Apps.


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U.S. Government Reportedly Wants to Build a 5G Network to Thwart Chinese Spying 23 comments

Trump security team sees building U.S. 5G network as option

President Donald Trump's national security team is looking at options to counter the threat of China spying on U.S. phone calls that include the government building a super-fast 5G wireless network, a senior administration official said on Sunday. The official, confirming the gist of a report from Axios.com, said the option was being debated at a low level in the administration and was six to eight months away from being considered by the president himself.

The 5G network concept is aimed at addressing what officials see as China's threat to U.S. cyber security and economic security. [...] "We want to build a network so the Chinese can't listen to your calls," the senior official told Reuters. "We have to have a secure network that doesn't allow bad actors to get in. We also have to ensure the Chinese don't take over the market and put every non-5G network out of business."

[...] Major wireless carriers have spent billions of dollars buying spectrum to launch 5G networks, and it is unclear if the U.S. government would have enough spectrum to build its own 5G network. [...] Another option includes having a 5G network built by a consortium of wireless carriers, the U.S. official said. "We want to build a secure 5G network and we have to work with industry to figure out the best way to do it," the official said, speaking on condition of anonymity. Axios published documents it said were from a presentation from a National Security Council official. If the government built the network, it would rent access to carriers, Axios said.

Will it include "responsible encryption"?

Also at Newsweek and Axios.

Related: U.S. Lawmakers Urge AT&T to Cut Ties With Huawei


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Verizon Cancels Plans to Sell Huawei Phone Due to U.S. Government Pressure 6 comments

Verizon reportedly follows AT&T's lead and cancels plans to sell Huawei's latest phone amid fears of Chinese spying

Verizon is following AT&T's lead and cancelling plans to sell Huawei's Mate 10 Pro smartphone that boasts support for the upcoming super-fast 5G network, according to a Bloomberg report on Tuesday.

Verizon's decision is reportedly based on political pressure from the US government, which is seeing a reinvigorated fear of spying from China as US regulators urged an investigation of Chinese-made telecom equipment in December 2017. It's the same reason AT&T dropped its deal with Huawei to offer the Mate 10 Pro on January 8.

Huawei's Mate 10 Pro with 5G networking capabilities seemingly falls under the category of Chinese-made telecom equipment under investigation, as the company has been accused of having ties with the Chinese government.

Previously: U.S. Lawmakers Urge AT&T to Cut Ties With Huawei

Related: U.S. Government Reportedly Wants to Build a 5G Network to Thwart Chinese Spying


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U.S. Intelligence Agency Heads Warn Against Using Huawei and ZTE Products 23 comments

Intelligence agency heads have warned against using Huawei and ZTE products and services:

The heads of six major US intelligence agencies have warned that American citizens shouldn't use products and services made by Chinese tech giants Huawei and ZTE. According to a report from CNBC, the intelligence chiefs made the recommendation during a Senate Intelligence Committee hearing on Tuesday. The group included the heads of the FBI, the CIA, the NSA, and the director of national intelligence.

During his testimony, FBI Director Chris Wray said the the government was "deeply concerned about the risks of allowing any company or entity that is beholden to foreign governments that don't share our values to gain positions of power inside our telecommunications networks." He added that this would provide "the capacity to maliciously modify or steal information. And it provides the capacity to conduct undetected espionage."

These warnings are nothing new. The US intelligence community has long been wary of Huawei, which was founded by a former engineer in China's People's Liberation Army and has been described by US politicians as "effectively an arm of the Chinese government." This caution led to a ban on Huawei bidding for US government contracts in 2014, and it's now causing problems for the company's push into consumer electronics.

Verizon and AT&T recently cancelled plans to sell Huawei's Mate 10 Pro smartphone.

Don't use a Huawei phone because it's too Chinese. Don't use an Apple phone because strong encryption is not "responsible encryption". Which phone is just right for the FBI?

Previously: U.S. Lawmakers Urge AT&T to Cut Ties With Huawei

Related: FBI Director Christopher Wray Keeps War on Encryption Alive
U.S. Government Reportedly Wants to Build a 5G Network to Thwart Chinese Spying


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The U.S. Intelligence Community's Demonization of Huawei Remains Highly Hypocritical 51 comments

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The U.S. Intel Community's Demonization of Huawei Remains Highly Hypocritical

We've noted for some time how Chinese hardware vendor Huawei has been consistently accused of spying on American citizens without any substantive, public evidence. You might recall that these accusations flared up several years ago, resulting in numerous investigations that culminated in no hard evidence whatsoever to support the allegations. We're not talking about superficial inquiries, we're talking about eighteen months, in-depth reviews by people with every interest in exposing them. One anonymous insider put it this way in the wake of the last bout of hysteria surrounding the company:

We knew certain parts of government really wanted" evidence of active spying, said one of the people, who requested anonymity. "We would have found it if it were there.

[...] This week, hysteria concerning Huawei again reached a fevered pitch, as U.S. intelligence chiefs, testifying before Congress over Russian hacking and disinformation concerns, again proclaimed that Huawei was spying on American citizens and their products most assuredly should not be used:

At the hearing, FBI Director Chris Wray testified, "We're deeply concerned about the risks of allowing any company or entity that is beholden to foreign governments that don't share our values to gain positions of power inside our telecommunications networks." Purchasing Huawei or ZTE products, Wray added, "provides the capacity to maliciously modify or steal information. And it provides the capacity to conduct undetected espionage.

Which values would those be, exactly? Would it be the values, as leaked Edward Snowden docs revealed, that resulted in the NSA hacking into Huawei, stealing source code, then attempting to plant its own backdoors into Huawei products? Or perhaps it's the values inherent in working closely with companies like AT&T to hoover up every shred of data that touches the AT&T network and share it with the intelligence community? Perhaps it's the values inherent in trying to demonize encryption, by proxy weakening security for everyone?

Broadcom's Attempted Acquisition of Qualcomm Blocked on National Security Grounds 13 comments

Broadcom's quest to acquire Qualcomm has come to a screeching halt:

President Trump on Monday blocked Broadcom's $117 billion bid for the chip maker Qualcomm, citing national security concerns and sending a clear signal that he was willing to take extraordinary measures to punctuate his administration's increasingly protectionist stance. In a presidential order, Mr. Trump said there was "credible evidence" that led him to believe that if Singapore-based Broadcom were to acquire control of Qualcomm, which is based in San Diego, it "might take action that threatens to impair the national security of the United States."

[...] The move follows one by the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States, which typically works behind closed doors and reviews deals only after they are announced, earlier this month to stall Broadcom's bid because of national security concerns. [...] The president said his decision had been based on the review by the committee, which focused on how Broadcom's purchase of Qualcomm might affect next-generation high-speed mobile networks known as 5G. The panel said that the leadership of Qualcomm, which makes wireless chips and also licenses key wireless patents, was too important to put into hands of a company with links to China. The committee argued that economic leadership in 5G was also a national security interest.

The Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States has just put a lot of companies on notice.

Also at CNN and LA Times.

Previously: Broadcom's Hostile Takeover Attempt of Qualcomm Delayed by U.S. Government Panel
Broadcom Pleads its Qualcomm Case to Congress

Related: President Trump Blocks Acquisition of Lattice Semiconductor
U.S. Lawmakers Urge AT&T to Cut Ties With Huawei
U.S. Government Reportedly Wants to Build a 5G Network to Thwart Chinese Spying
U.S. Rejects Chinese Takeover of the Chicago Stock Exchange


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Best Buy to Stop Selling Huawei Products 17 comments

Best Buy will cut ties with Huawei and stop selling Huawei products over the next few weeks. Huawei's smartphones, such as its new flagship Mate 10 Pro, are sold in the U.S. by retailers, but no U.S. wireless service provider will sell them. Now the largest electronics retailer in the U.S. is calling it quits:

The move, after similar actions from U.S. carriers including AT&T Inc, comes as U.S. scrutiny of Chinese tech firms grows amid simmering tensions over U.S.-China trade and concerns of security.

[...] Earlier this year, AT&T was forced to scrap a plan to offer Huawei handsets after some members of Congress lobbied against the idea with federal regulators, sources told Reuters. Verizon Communications Inc also ended its plans to sell Huawei phones last year, according to media reports.

Last month two Republican Senators introduced legislation that would block the U.S. government from buying or leasing telecommunications equipment from Huawei or Chinese peer ZTE Corp, citing concern the firms would use their access to spy on U.S. officials.

Also at CNET and Engadget.

Previously: U.S. Lawmakers Urge AT&T to Cut Ties With Huawei
Verizon Cancels Plans to Sell Huawei Phone Due to U.S. Government Pressure
U.S. Intelligence Agency Heads Warn Against Using Huawei and ZTE Products
The U.S. Intelligence Community's Demonization of Huawei Remains Highly Hypocritical


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Huawei CEO Still Committed to the U.S. Market 8 comments

Huawei's consumer business group CEO Richard Yu is not giving up on selling smartphones and other devices in the U.S., despite warnings against the company made by U.S. government officials and a lack of support from retailers. The company recently released a new flagship smartphone, the Huawei P20 Pro:

"We are committed to the US market and to earning the trust of US consumers by staying focused on delivering world-class products and innovation," Yu told CNET in an email. "We would never compromise that trust."

The comments mark a defiant response to the vague warnings made by US officials that have effectively crippled Huawei's ability to get its phones in front of consumers. In January, AT&T pulled out of a landmark plan to sell the Mate 10 Pro, an important high-end Huawei phone. Verizon reportedly also scuttled a deal to carry the device based on political pressure. CNET was also first to report that Best Buy, the US' largest electronics retailer, dropped Huawei phones from its roster.

[...] "The security risk concerns are based on groundless suspicions and are quite frankly unfair," Yu said. "We welcome an open and transparent discussion if it is based on facts." [...] "We work with 46 of the 50 global operators," Yu told CNET, "And have maintained a very strong security record because security is one of our top priorities." [...] "Even without the United States market, we'll be No. 1 in the world," Yu said earlier this week.

Huawei reported a 27% jump in profits in 2017, despite its struggle to establish itself in the U.S. market.

See also: Huawei P20 launch highlights the risks of U.S. paranoia over Chinese security
Huawei's P20 Pro is a hugely promising phone that will upset Americans

Previously: U.S. Lawmakers Urge AT&T to Cut Ties With Huawei
Verizon Cancels Plans to Sell Huawei Phone Due to U.S. Government Pressure
The U.S. Intelligence Community's Demonization of Huawei Remains Highly Hypocritical


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Rural Wireless Association Opposes U.S. Government Ban on Huawei and ZTE Equipment 8 comments

Banning Chinese network gear is a really bad idea, small ISPs tell FCC

The Federal Communications Commission's proposed ban on Huawei and ZTE gear in government-funded projects will hurt small Internet providers' efforts to deploy broadband, according to a lobby group for rural ISPs.

As previously reported, FCC Chairman Ajit Pai's proposal would prevent Universal Service Fund (USF) money from being used to buy equipment or services from companies that "pos[e] a national security risk." If the FCC approves the proposal, the ban is most likely to prevent the purchase of equipment from Chinese technology vendors Huawei and ZTE. But it could also affect other companies and technology from other countries, depending on how the FCC determines which companies pose national security threats.

ISPs who use federal money to build or expand broadband service would end up with fewer options for buying network gear. This would "irreparably damage broadband networks (and limit future deployment) in many rural and remote areas throughout the country," the Rural Wireless Association (RWA) told the FCC in a filing yesterday.

The RWA represents rural wireless Internet providers that offer home or mobile Internet service and have fewer than 100,000 subscribers. A recent Wall Street Journal report said that small ISPs rely on Huawei gear more than large telcos do.

Previously: U.S. Lawmakers Urge AT&T to Cut Ties With Huawei
U.S. Government Reportedly Wants to Build a 5G Network to Thwart Chinese Spying
U.S. Intelligence Agency Heads Warn Against Using Huawei and ZTE Products
The U.S. Intelligence Community's Demonization of Huawei Remains Highly Hypocritical


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Germany and the EU Likely to Embrace Huawei, Rebuff the U.S. 91 comments

Despite U.S. Pressure, Germany Refuses To Exclude Huawei's 5G Technology

The Trump administration insists that Chinese firm Huawei, which makes 5G technology, could hand over data to the Chinese government. The U.S. has warned European allies, including Germany, Hungary and Poland, to ban Huawei from its 5G network or risk losing access to intelligence-sharing.

Germany has refused to ban any company, despite pressure from the U.S. Instead, Chancellor Angela Merkel reiterated that her country would instead tighten security rules. "Our approach is not to simply exclude one company or one actor," she told a conference in Berlin on Tuesday, "but rather we have requirements of the competitors for this 5G technology."

Did The U.S. Just Lose Its War With Huawei?

"There are two things I don't believe in," Chancellor Angela Merkel said on Tuesday, referring to Germany's standoff with the United States over Huawei's inclusion in her country's 5G rollout. "First, to discuss these very sensitive security questions publicly, and, second, to exclude a company simply because it's from a certain country."

Europe now seems likely to settle on 'careful and considered' inclusion of Huawei instead of any blanket bans. Chancellor Merkel stressed this week that a joined-up EU response would be "desirable", and Italy and the U.K. are also backing away from Washington's prohibition on Huawei's 5G technology. If they fold, it is likely the broader European Union will follow suit. And if those key European allies can't be carried, what chance Asia-Pacific, Africa, the Middle East?

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 17 2018, @11:04PM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 17 2018, @11:04PM (#623888)

    AT&T vs Huawei vs. Congress bugs...

    • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 18 2018, @03:08AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 18 2018, @03:08AM (#623984)

      The New AT&T is formerly Southwestern Bell and in reality Confederate Telephone.

      Trust those southern confederate rebels to be in cahoots with Chinese.

  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 17 2018, @11:12PM (4 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 17 2018, @11:12PM (#623896)

    It makes news when the US government blocks foreign control. That should tell you something: it isn't the norm.

    Mostly, all of our stuff is up for sale. We sell ownership of companies. Our companies think they are moving into China when they get 49% ownership of a joint venture being operated by patriotic Chinese citizens, and then they turn over all the trade secrets to that joint venture. We welcome foreign nationals into our corporate networks, VPNed past the firewall, to save a dime on IT costs. We welcome foreign nationals physically into our companies, under many kinds of visa, and strangely assume that none will be patriotic to their country of origin.

    Our law even prohibits a normal company from refusing to hire an IT worker or engineer due to foreign connections. This is exactly backwards. We let the fox guard the hens. The only way out is to become a defense contractor and find some excuse to require security clearances for everybody.

    • (Score: 2) by bob_super on Wednesday January 17 2018, @11:52PM

      by bob_super (1357) on Wednesday January 17 2018, @11:52PM (#623911)

      > strangely assume that none will be patriotic to their country of origin.

      When given the amazing opportunity to live and work in the Greatest Country On Earth (TM), why would anyone do anything against it? Don't be silly ...

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 18 2018, @12:33AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 18 2018, @12:33AM (#623927)

      Check your collectivism.

    • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 18 2018, @07:53AM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 18 2018, @07:53AM (#624051)

      assume that none will be patriotic to their country of origin

      A trustworthy person trusts people. An untrustworthy person trusts no one. Likewise, people with no loyalty cannot comprehend that other people might be loyal, or value loyalty.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 18 2018, @05:43PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 18 2018, @05:43PM (#624243)

        This is a case where loyalty can be split. Only a fool would make assumptions about the winning loyalty.

        Also, the fact that trusting people tend to be trustworthy does not imply that trustworthy people are trusting. Your assumption is damn broken with lots of people, myself included. The normal behavior of an ordinary (not politician) conservative individual is to be pretty paranoid, yet honor-bound and duty-bound.

        China commonly uses leverage over families. A person working at a US tech company might find that their uncle in China got arrested, or that their mom in China is facing some sort of audit. Word goes out that things could get resolved... but maybe not... and maybe handing over company secrets could help smooth things along. China also isn't above delivering violent beatings, even to family members in the USA. It happens. So, do you really think a person will be more loyal to your company than to their own family?

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 18 2018, @01:09AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 18 2018, @01:09AM (#623941)

    Sounds like a number of palms are about to be greased.

    So it goes.

  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by MrGuy on Thursday January 18 2018, @03:37AM (4 children)

    by MrGuy (1007) on Thursday January 18 2018, @03:37AM (#623994)

    The US isn't in the best place to be shining a spotlight on "hey, foreign-made software and hardware could in theory be deliberately compromised by their governments to secretly do bad stuff!"

    I mean, the NSA is still in business, and more than a few of their tricks are out of the bag recently. [wikipedia.org] The exact same arguments could be used by foreign governments to exclude Apple handsets, Cisco and Juniper routing gear, or any primarily-US telecoms from expanding overseas. With the exception that it's provable that the US DOES do some of the things we currently only SUSPECT China would do...

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 18 2018, @05:57AM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 18 2018, @05:57AM (#624035)

      Intel, cough
      Facebook, cough

      So if Huawei cannot come through the door, there are plenty of windows. "Allies" in the 5-Eyes... here in New Zealand almost ALL the fibre kit is Huawei, so 99.996% of our stuff (including this) is most likely echoed via somewhere in China. They practically OWN NZ already.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 18 2018, @12:26PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 18 2018, @12:26PM (#624103)

        When you realize NZ is a 5 eyes companion, and 5 eyes now has eyes over most of europe, the us, canada, australia, nz, etc.

        It's a huge clusterfuck of literally 'big brother' proportions.

    • (Score: 2) by lx on Thursday January 18 2018, @12:36PM

      by lx (1915) on Thursday January 18 2018, @12:36PM (#624105)

      My guess is that they couldn't persuade Huawei to put in an NSA backdoor.

    • (Score: 2) by gottabeme on Thursday January 18 2018, @05:21PM

      by gottabeme (1531) on Thursday January 18 2018, @05:21PM (#624222)

      Are you saying that we should let Huawei stuff in and use it because it would be unfair to do otherwise? i.e. "We might have given them some compromised stuff, so we have to accept their compromised stuff. It's only fair." Do you think this is a game?

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 18 2018, @04:16AM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 18 2018, @04:16AM (#624002)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Investor-state_dispute_settlement [wikipedia.org]

    Don't you just love "free trade"?

    • (Score: 2) by MrGuy on Thursday January 18 2018, @05:15AM

      by MrGuy (1007) on Thursday January 18 2018, @05:15AM (#624020)

      ISDS isn't a "standard" thing - it's relatively new, and it only exists where it's been specifically negotiated. The Trans Pacific Partnership (which did contain an ISDS provision, which is one of the things that made it so controversial) wasn't ratified by the US. And China doesn't (to my knowledge) have a bilateral trade agreement with the US that included ISDS. So your suggested approach won't work.

      What you should be talking about is a World Trade Organization [wikipedia.org] case, which is would have to be brought by China (i.e. the WTO member nation), not Huawei directly. China would need to claim that the US is not allowing China access to the US market on equal footing with other nations. That said, the WTO moves slowly, and there would be a number of challenges to getting a claim settled in China's favor, especially if (as would be the case here) the US would assert some level of national security concern, which the WTO may not want to get in the middle of.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 18 2018, @03:01PM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 18 2018, @03:01PM (#624153)

    US to C, we won't buy your stuff because it may have intelligence gathering feature that will harm us.
    Expected result will be C telling US they feel the same way.
    Sounds like a good way to start a trade war.

    Not a good plan.

     

    • (Score: 2) by gottabeme on Thursday January 18 2018, @05:26PM

      by gottabeme (1531) on Thursday January 18 2018, @05:26PM (#624229)

      Yeah, that'd be awful. We'd have to start buying American again. Might have to start making stuff here again.

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