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posted by martyb on Thursday February 07 2019, @10:48PM   Printer-friendly
from the organ-'donors' dept.

https://www.foxnews.com/science/barbaric-human-organs-harvested-from-chinese-prisoners-prompts-outrage-call-for-retraction-of-400-scientific-papers:

A group of researchers is calling for the retraction of more than 400 scientific papers after a first-of-its-kind study that claims countless human organs were unethically harvested from prisoners in China.

The study, which was published in the journal BMJ Open and led by Australian researchers, highlights a facet of scientific ethics that does not receive a lot of attention. Namely, that many English-language academic journals do not follow international ethics rules over donor consent for organ transplants.

“There’s no real pressure from research leaders on China to be more transparent,” Wendy Rogers, a professor of clinical ethics at Macquarie University and the study’s author, told the Guardian. “Everyone seems to say, ‘It’s not our job.’ The world’s silence on this barbaric issue must stop.”

[...] The study looked at research papers published from January 2000 until April 2017. Researchers identified 445 studies involving 85,477 transplants. A staggering 92.5 percent failed to report whether or not organs were sourced from executed prisoners, while 99 percent failed to report that organ sources gave consent for transplantation.


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  • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 07 2019, @11:11PM (7 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 07 2019, @11:11PM (#798050)

    But the means by which a result was obtained does not invalidate the result itself.

    • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 07 2019, @11:12PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 07 2019, @11:12PM (#798052)

      Consenting organs are happy organs.

      • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Friday February 08 2019, @04:36PM

        by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Friday February 08 2019, @04:36PM (#798387) Journal

        Which man has the biggest organ?

        Usually the one with the most registers (eg, keyboards).

        Or organ size might be measured by the pipes.

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    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Sulla on Thursday February 07 2019, @11:17PM (1 child)

      by Sulla (5173) on Thursday February 07 2019, @11:17PM (#798054) Journal

      Agreed. Was it immoral for the Japanese to test on Chinese/Americans/British/Australians in WWII without anesthetic for research? It very much was. Is it a good idea to throw out research that has already been done and spend years trying to replicate it on more willing subjects? No way.

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      • (Score: 3, Interesting) by stormwyrm on Friday February 08 2019, @06:06AM

        by stormwyrm (717) on Friday February 08 2019, @06:06AM (#798195) Journal

        No, we shouldn't throw out the research, but perhaps it might be better deny them credit for any such discoveries as much as possible. That's the most that can reasonably be done, and I believe that is what is being attempted with the Nazi research findings that came out of the concentration camps. Pantothenate kinase-associated neurodegeneration, formerly known as Hallervorden–Spatz disease, was discovered by Julius Hallervorden and Hugo Spatz, two Nazi doctors who arrived at their findings by examining brains harvested from Nazi euthanasia victims. The Paralysis agitans reaction, formerly known as the Spatz–Stiefler reaction, was discovered by the aforementioned Spatz and Georg Stiefler from the same process. Portal vein thrombosis, previously known as Cauchois–Eppinger–Frugoni syndrome, was previously named partly for Hans Eppinger, who conducted cruel experiments on Romani concentration camp prisoners at Dachau. He committed suicide just before he would have been made to face the music at Nuremberg. Is there a stand-in name like Alan Smithee that can be used for these papers so that these unethical scientists don't get their names cited?

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    • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Friday February 08 2019, @03:11AM (2 children)

      by JoeMerchant (3937) on Friday February 08 2019, @03:11AM (#798119)

      But the means by which a result was obtained does not invalidate the result itself.

      Thank you, Dr. Mengele https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josef_Mengele [wikipedia.org]

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      • (Score: 2) by Freeman on Friday February 08 2019, @04:12PM (1 child)

        by Freeman (732) on Friday February 08 2019, @04:12PM (#798364) Journal

        I get that Josef Mengele and his ilk were extremely horrible people and committed horrendous acts on innocent victims. That doesn't necessitate that the science and results were incorrect/invalid. You definitely don't want to be promoting his methods, though.

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        • (Score: 3, Interesting) by DeVilla on Saturday February 09 2019, @04:04AM

          by DeVilla (5354) on Saturday February 09 2019, @04:04AM (#798694)

          The point is to make discourage further horrendous acts. This is being done by trying to remove any potential benefit that might come from it. It is making an ethical choice to reject the acts in totality. Of course, China does not see any ethical problem with what they are doing so it will continue. Now, do you cooperate with "Dr. Mengele" or do you shun him?

  • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 07 2019, @11:12PM (7 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 07 2019, @11:12PM (#798053)

    Donating their organs is probably the best thing most of those evil Chinese prisoners did in their life, and you now want the results retracted. WTF.

    • (Score: 3, Interesting) by c0lo on Thursday February 07 2019, @11:22PM

      by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Thursday February 07 2019, @11:22PM (#798058) Journal

      "No kittens or puppies were hurt in the process, thus it must be A-OK."
      Is that what you are saying?

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 08 2019, @12:14AM (5 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 08 2019, @12:14AM (#798077)

      Those evil Chinese prisoners were probably innocent. Imprisoned for being moral.

      • (Score: 2) by bob_super on Friday February 08 2019, @12:42AM (3 children)

        by bob_super (1357) on Friday February 08 2019, @12:42AM (#798082)

        Or ... they were murderers, rapists, drug traffickers ... The kind of people China has an ample supply of to put to death.

        • (Score: 1) by khallow on Friday February 08 2019, @12:55AM (2 children)

          by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Friday February 08 2019, @12:55AM (#798086) Journal

          Or ... they were murderers, rapists, drug traffickers ...

          Alleged, of course. Always the problem with a system that doesn't try for justice.

          • (Score: 2) by bob_super on Friday February 08 2019, @01:12AM (1 child)

            by bob_super (1357) on Friday February 08 2019, @01:12AM (#798093)

            I have no doubt that a rapidly-growing country, including 1.3B people, lots of new millionaires/billionaires, yet hundreds of millions of dirt-poor people, does find a few thousand people per year who did things they deem worthy of a bullet to the back of the head (and I don't support the death penalty except in extreme and unquestionable cases).
            Being omniscient would be nice, allowing us to figure out the number of impolite demonstrators who don't get the hint after their first kneecapping and require a full framing for death-and-organs process. I am tempted to think that it is too much paperwork to be used as often are we are led to believe.
            Whether they approach the improper conviction rate of the US is indeed the question.

            By contrast, few people denounce Japan's amazing 99% conviction rate. Those are some really good cops, never nabbing the wrong guy. We should hire a few.

            • (Score: 2, Interesting) by khallow on Friday February 08 2019, @03:17AM

              by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Friday February 08 2019, @03:17AM (#798120) Journal

              By contrast, few people denounce Japan's amazing 99% conviction rate.

              Why should that be considered a problem? Sounds like they don't bring cases to court unless they have pretty solid evidence. For example [wikipedia.org]:

              In murder, U.S. police arrested 19,000 people for 26,000 murders, in which 75% were prosecuted and courts convicted 12,000 people. In Japan, 1,800 people were arrested for 1,300 murders, but prosecutors tried only 43%.

              I doubt there are many people complaining about North Korea's conviction rate either.

      • (Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 08 2019, @01:45AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 08 2019, @01:45AM (#798099)

        Just as Fan Bingbing was guilty?
        No court of law examined evidence. No lawyer defended her. Formal charges were not announce and defended in court.
        Imagine being held prisoner with the threat of death or worse hanging over your head.
        They drained her back amounts and liquidated property worth an estimated 100 million dollars. Based on an accusation of contact fraud. An accusation that still has not been proven.

        They came for Fan Bingbing and stole her wealth, but people said nothing because they were not millionaire Chinese movie stars.
        They came for the head of Interpol, and no one said anything because international politics is belt and road mortgage unstable.
        ....

  • (Score: 4, Informative) by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us on Thursday February 07 2019, @11:43PM

    by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us (6553) on Thursday February 07 2019, @11:43PM (#798063) Journal

    BMJ Open claims it will follow the BMJ Author policies for research ethics ( https://authors.bmj.com/policies/research-ethics/ [bmj.com] ), which in turn references that it adopts the World Medical Association's Declaration of Helsinki ( https://www.wma.net/policies-post/wma-declaration-of-helsinki-ethical-principles-for-medical-research-involving-human-subjects/ [wma.net] ). Their section on informed consent is below. Paragraphs 26 and 27 are relevant in terms of both securing consent and ensuring that consent is not given under duress. Just because one is a prisoner does not mean that participation in research has been coerced or is under duress automatically, but the researchers should have to justify how they ensured that consents were in fact freely given (i.e. going above the average norms to ensure free participation). If the research is to be published in a journal like BMJ Open. Different places can have different ethical standards, but it is as much the ethics of the publisher that need to be called into question to ensure they were performing to their standards as much as those of the researchers.

    Informed Consent

    25. Participation by individuals capable of giving informed consent as subjects in medical research must be voluntary. Although it may be appropriate to consult family members or community leaders, no individual capable of giving informed consent may be enrolled in a research study unless he or she freely agrees.

    26. In medical research involving human subjects capable of giving informed consent, each potential subject must be adequately informed of the aims, methods, sources of funding, any possible conflicts of interest, institutional affiliations of the researcher, the anticipated benefits and potential risks of the study and the discomfort it may entail, post-study provisions and any other relevant aspects of the study. The potential subject must be informed of the right to refuse to participate in the study or to withdraw consent to participate at any time without reprisal. Special attention should be given to the specific information needs of individual potential subjects as well as to the methods used to deliver the information.

    After ensuring that the potential subject has understood the information, the physician or another appropriately qualified individual must then seek the potential subject’s freely-given informed consent, preferably in writing. If the consent cannot be expressed in writing, the non-written consent must be formally documented and witnessed.

    All medical research subjects should be given the option of being informed about the general outcome and results of the study.

    27. When seeking informed consent for participation in a research study the physician must be particularly cautious if the potential subject is in a dependent relationship with the physician or may consent under duress. In such situations the informed consent must be sought by an appropriately qualified individual who is completely independent of this relationship.

    28. For a potential research subject who is incapable of giving informed consent, the physician must seek informed consent from the legally authorised representative. These individuals must not be included in a research study that has no likelihood of benefit for them unless it is intended to promote the health of the group represented by the potential subject, the research cannot instead be performed with persons capable of providing informed consent, and the research entails only minimal risk and minimal burden.

    29. When a potential research subject who is deemed incapable of giving informed consent is able to give assent to decisions about participation in research, the physician must seek that assent in addition to the consent of the legally authorised representative. The potential subject’s dissent should be respected.

    30. Research involving subjects who are physically or mentally incapable of giving consent, for example, unconscious patients, may be done only if the physical or mental condition that prevents giving informed consent is a necessary characteristic of the research group. In such circumstances the physician must seek informed consent from the legally authorised representative. If no such representative is available and if the research cannot be delayed, the study may proceed without informed consent provided that the specific reasons for involving subjects with a condition that renders them unable to give informed consent have been stated in the research protocol and the study has been approved by a research ethics committee. Consent to remain in the research must be obtained as soon as possible from the subject or a legally authorised representative.

    31. The physician must fully inform the patient which aspects of their care are related to the research. The refusal of a patient to participate in a study or the patient’s decision to withdraw from the study must never adversely affect the patient-physician relationship.

    32. For medical research using identifiable human material or data, such as research on material or data contained in biobanks or similar repositories, physicians must seek informed consent for its collection, storage and/or reuse. There may be exceptional situations where consent would be impossible or impracticable to obtain for such research. In such situations the research may be done only after consideration and approval of a research ethics committee.

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  • (Score: 0, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 08 2019, @12:41AM (2 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 08 2019, @12:41AM (#798080)

    Next you'll be saying the prisoners were unethically denied their freedom.

    I think it is unethical to waste organs on useless criminals. Productive members of society need those organs, yet we let them die despite having the organs available in prison.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 08 2019, @02:17AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 08 2019, @02:17AM (#798107)

      So, if you are jailed for jay walking in China you agree to your organs being harvested?

      Slippery slope right there. .

    • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Friday February 08 2019, @04:41PM

      by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Friday February 08 2019, @04:41PM (#798394) Journal

      Being denied freedom is something different than being denied organs, or denied life.

      There may be some way denying any of these can be done under the law. But that is not the same as arbitrarily substituting one punishment for another.

      If you're going to harvest prisoner's organs, then spell it out under the law. Don't dance around it. Don't do it in secret. Try bringing it out in the bright light of day. A government either thinks this is a good idea or a bad idea. Let's make it transparently clear.

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  • (Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 08 2019, @12:54AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 08 2019, @12:54AM (#798085)

    Once again we see capitalism rearing its ugly head.

  • (Score: 2) by Nuke on Friday February 08 2019, @11:29AM

    by Nuke (3162) on Friday February 08 2019, @11:29AM (#798258)

    When I saw the title, I assumed the donors were still alive, and I thought, yes, that is a bit bad. However, as they were already dead I see no problem.

    There is a more extreme situation with experiments done on living subjects in German prison camps during WW2 - whether the results should be taken into any account.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 08 2019, @08:01PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 08 2019, @08:01PM (#798514)

    https://www.playboy.com/read/playboy-interview-donald-trump-1990 [playboy.com]

    He appaluded the Chinese gov for being tough with Tiannemen square. He is a human waste land.

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