MMR Vaccine Could Protect Against the Worst Symptoms of COVID-19 :
"Administering the MMR (measles, mumps, rubella) vaccine could serve as a preventive measure to dampen septic inflammation associated with COVID-19 infection
[...] The protection was mediated by long-lived myeloid-derived suppressor cells (MDSCs) previously reported inhibiting septic inflammation and mortality in several experimental models.
[...] The milder symptoms seen in the 955 sailors on the U.S.S Roosevelt who tested positive for COVID-19 (only one hospitalization) may have been a consequence of the fact that the MMR vaccinations are given to all U.S. Navy recruits. In addition, epidemiological data suggest a correlation between people in geographical locations who routinely receive the MMR vaccine and reduced COVID-19 death rates. COVID-19 has not had a big impact on children, and the researchers hypothesize that one reason children are protected against viral infections that induce sepsis is their more recent and more frequent exposures to live attenuated vaccines that can also induce the trained suppressive MDSCs that limit inflammation and sepsis."
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @05:21PM (1 child)
Blah, blah, blah. Maybe this, maybe that. Could do this, could do that. It might work, it might not work. It might be possible, it may not be possible. It might do this, it might do that. It could go this way, or it could go that way. Yadda, yadda, yadda...
(Score: 3, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @05:51PM
Spotted the FIBD casualty.
* Fox induced brain damage
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @05:42PM (7 children)
So as long as you get vaccinated it doesnt matter which vaccine you use?
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @06:16PM (6 children)
Provided the vaccine works. There is a LOT of political pressure to get a vaccine out in October (whether it works or not), so that the administration can claim victory before the election and say the problem is fixed (because of tremendous leadership from the top). If one does come out, I think I will wait and see if it actually more than just a MAGA placebo pill (or worse, one that actually causes bad side effects).
(Score: 2) by krishnoid on Wednesday August 05 2020, @08:15PM (2 children)
I'm having trouble understanding this high-level description of the political/medical/temporal correlation of vaccine availability. Can you describe this in a way that our poorly-alpha-tested-text-synthesizer-in-chief might?
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @08:22PM
Virus fixed before election so Trump can say win.
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @09:20PM
...our poorly-alpha-tested-text-synthesizer-in-chief...
You know, much like the Covfefe-19 virus, he might one day magically disappear with or without a vaccine, and many people think that when that happens no one will be willing to pay the drug companies - and they make the best drugs - beautiful drugs - for the vaccines. Look, nobody has done as much as he has for the ones dying from Covfefe-19 - ever - not the Chinese - not the Italians - and what did Iran do? But the job he did was amazing - but the lame-stream media will never report it. Maybe somebody should investigate that.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @09:10PM (2 children)
So I can get a tubercolosis vaccine or a measles vaccine or a flu vaccine and it still works against covid?
(Score: 2) by HiThere on Thursday August 06 2020, @10:02PM (1 child)
Maybe. And for some *really* limited definition of "works".
This is a theory based on limited data. It's not totally unreasonable, but it sure doesn't count as proven. And even so different vaccines might have different degrees of effectiveness for suppressing *this* mechanism of turning a bad case into a worse case.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 07 2020, @05:03AM
Thanks, is there a law against going to different doctors and getting each twice?
(Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @05:47PM (1 child)
From TFA
If adults got the MMR as a child they likely still have some level of antibodies against measles, mumps, and rubella, but probably not the myeloid-derived suppressor cells,” said Dr. Fidel. “While the MDSCs are long-lived, they are not life-long cells. So, a booster MMR would enhance the antibodies to measles, mumps, and rubella and reinitiate the MDSCs.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 06 2020, @04:15PM
Vaccine cucks can fuckoff, I got my immunity the natural way.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by JoeMerchant on Wednesday August 05 2020, @05:56PM (20 children)
Fine, now... there's supposed to be a big population of non-vaccinated children out there, how does their COVID response compare to their vaccinated counterparts?
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(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @06:05PM
Put all the variables in a big matrix, invert the matrix = get the answers.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @06:06PM (16 children)
Yep, came to say something similar, anti-vaxxers have had a field day with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMR_vaccine [wikipedia.org] As the statistics become more clear, perhaps it will be possible to look for more correlation between severity of covid and when/if MMR vaccination was done.
When a vaccine for CV-19 arrives, it will be interesting to see how many of the anti-vax parents take it (although denying their kids the normal childhood vaccines).
More reading -- https://www.sciencealert.com/anti-vaxxers-seize-virus-moment-to-spread-fake-news [sciencealert.com]
(Score: 2) by Kilo110 on Wednesday August 05 2020, @07:24PM (15 children)
they probably won't take it. I read somewhere a month ago that a survey said something like 30% of people won't take a covid vaccine even if offered free.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @07:56PM (4 children)
I would not take version 1.0 but I would take version 3.0. I want all the kinks to be worked out before I take it.
I would't mind taking a measles vaccine though, it's been around long enough for its safety to have been well established.
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @08:05PM (1 child)
Why do you want to become autistic?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @09:31PM
Because you get pizza on Tuesdays.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @08:59PM (1 child)
In the US, version 1.0 is going to be given to minorities:
https://www.baltimoresun.com/coronavirus/ct-nw-nyt-covid-19-vaccine-race-20200709-37nkwjzk6reypp6d3alkazy34u-story.html [baltimoresun.com]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @11:38PM
They always test on animals before moving on to Phase 2 trials on humans.
(Score: 2) by krishnoid on Wednesday August 05 2020, @08:17PM (8 children)
Yeah, I hear that stuff gives you COVID. No wait, autism. No wait, 5G.
Actually, I'd *really* like to see the demographic/geographical breakdown of that number.
(Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Wednesday August 05 2020, @08:23PM (7 children)
Can I give my phone a vaccine and get 5G? Where do I sign up?
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(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @10:36PM (1 child)
5G?
If you can get me a 4G vaccine for my phone I'd be happy...hell, I'd even be happy with one which would give me a stable 3G connection...
I'm not, by nature, anti vaccination, *but* there's something so inherently fscking sketchy about this whole Covid debacle, and when smarmy greasy little cnuts like Gates are involved in peddling vaccines, I'll be buggered if I'll be partaking of it..
(For the record, caught the bug early March from someone who'd caught it from someone who'd caught it in Italy and brought it back here...)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @11:49PM
> (For the record, caught the bug early March from someone who'd caught it from someone who'd caught it in Italy and brought it back here...)
Please tell us more. What, if any, symptoms, side effects, timing, etc.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @11:02PM (4 children)
Wait wait ... wouldn't you want to vaccinate your phone AGAINST 5G so that you won't get COVID?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @11:04PM
Come to think of it doing this might give your phone autism ...
(Score: 2) by fido_dogstoyevsky on Wednesday August 05 2020, @11:53PM
No, it's not the way it works. You vaccinate YOURSELF against 5G, not your phone. You DO want a 5G infected phone so that the COVID-19 virus ignores you and heads straight for your phone instead.
It's NOT a conspiracy... it's a plot.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday August 06 2020, @01:09AM (1 child)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 06 2020, @02:20AM
You would get COVID.
The logic goes like this
5G causes COVID.
Vaccinations cause autism.
If you vaccinate your phone against 5G the phone won't get 5G but it might get autism. But at least you won't get COVID from your phone's 5G and you won't be the one to get autism because it's your phone that's being vaccinated.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @09:03PM
Personally, it would depend on the exact vaccine you are talking about. There are different benefits and drawbacks to all of them. But then again, I've actually read the study results, their ingredients, mechanism of action, and more.
(Score: 1, Offtopic) by Bot on Wednesday August 05 2020, @09:30PM (1 child)
One nurse in a city 50 miles from here faked the vaccination procedure for over 500 children, went to national news. Nobody cared to publish stats about the difference between vaxxed and unvaxxed in terms of health in the intervening months. In fact, she was found out not because the lil guys fell more ill or harder, but because the colleagues noticed those kids didn't cry after getting the vaccine.
So, I don't think that many comparative stats will get out.
Another data point, SIDS (unexplained death for children) decline during lockdown. Some antivaxxers say: SIDS went down, vaccinations went down, interesting correlation ain't it?
Local debunking sites answer: your data is anecdotal, plus there is a study in 2018 that says that SIDS and vax are uncorrelated. So, basically an ad hominem and an argument ab auctoritate. Uhmmm, debunking by citing stats who say SIDS did not in fact go down are missing, so they didn't. https://www.oltre.tv/sids-e-vaccinazioni-grafici-lockdown-genitori/ [oltre.tv]
So, I don't think that anybody cares about SIDS either.
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(Score: 4, Informative) by JoeMerchant on Wednesday August 05 2020, @09:54PM
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(Score: 2) by Bot on Wednesday August 05 2020, @09:37PM (4 children)
>The milder symptoms seen in the 955 sailors on the U.S.S Roosevelt who tested positive for COVID-19 (only one hospitalization) may have been a consequence of the fact that the MMR vaccinations are given to all U.S. Navy recruits.
LOL surely it's not because to be onboard you must be rather young, very fit and healthy, is it? unless they specifically took these factors into account which I wouldn't count on.
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(Score: 3, Informative) by ilsa on Wednesday August 05 2020, @09:59PM (1 child)
Next line:
"In addition, epidemiological data suggest a correlation between people in geographical locations who routinely receive the MMR vaccine and reduced COVID-19 death rates."
So it sounds like they've already looked for, and found, corroborating evidence.
(Score: 3, Informative) by Bot on Thursday August 06 2020, @07:00AM
Well in Italy with Bergamo there is a strong inverse correlation instead. A. Inverse correlation very common in my anecdotal statistical bubble. But if your own bubble says differently, by all means follow it. This way our collective behaviour will be statistically correct on average.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @10:54PM (1 child)
Maybe buttsex protects you too?
(Score: 2) by Bot on Thursday August 06 2020, @07:02AM
Surely dieing of aids removes you from COVID stats. Or not, give COVID stats are more inflated than hemorrhoids.
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(Score: 5, Insightful) by ilsa on Wednesday August 05 2020, @09:58PM (5 children)
So basically anti-vaxxers are losing out twice because not only are they at risk of contracting measles, etc, but they are also more likely to be severely affected by covid. And of course, they won't get the eventual covid vaccine either cause... vaccines.
Covid is turning out to be the worlds greatest IQ test. I wish I could be smug about it, but the needless collateral damage caused by these morons really sours the schadenfreude.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @10:08PM (1 child)
Dont most antivaxxers kids get measles? They are probably more immune to covid since they will have a stronger immune response than to the vaccine (which mimics mild illness). Also if they hang out with other people who get measles that will be like regular booster shots for them.
(Score: 3, Informative) by Taibhsear on Thursday August 06 2020, @12:35PM
That's not how that works. Also the stronger immune response is what causes most of the damage in covid infection.
(Score: 2) by Opportunist on Wednesday August 05 2020, @10:11PM (1 child)
Covid is already the world's greatest IQ test.
(Score: 0, Disagree) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @11:14PM
Yes, if you listen to the WHO you die.
(Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @11:47PM
No it is the basic math test. The one that the "educated" populace totally failed.
Maybe counting their debts will reacquaint them with arithmetics; maybe not.
FTFY
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 06 2020, @03:06AM (1 child)
I wonder if there's a relation.
(Score: 2) by HiThere on Thursday August 06 2020, @10:12PM
That's not what was claimed. What was claimed was recent childhood diseases (of particular types) might act to suppress converting a bad case of COVID into a worse case.
So it would be interesting to see if people with shingles are less likely to get a bad case of COVID.
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