California virus-fighting efforts hampered by data delays:
California has stopped removing or adding to a list of counties facing more restrictions on businesses and schools as it tries to resolve a technical problem with the state's coronavirus testing database, health officials said Wednesday.
The state has recorded a highest-in-the-nation 525,000 positive tests. But California health officials say the true number is even higher. They don't know how much so until they can add backlogged testing data and fix the problem with the California Reportable Disease Information Exchange, also known as CalREDIE.
The incomplete data in the nation's most populous state has hampered public health officials' ability to follow up with those who test positive and contact people who have been around them to limit the spread.
"Back in February and March when we didn't have enough testing, I would say we felt blind," said Dr. Sara Cody, Santa Clara County's public health director. "I would say now we're back to feeling blind. We don't know how the epidemic is trending."
(Score: 0, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 07 2020, @10:05PM (10 children)
Why don't they just all wear a mask and then the virus will disappear because masks make people invulnerable?
At least their are plenty of ventilators for those who don't wear a mask. Ventilators are all the health system needs.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 07 2020, @10:25PM (7 children)
Can you dummies please just learn reality instead of continuing your death cult paranoia?
Non N95 masks are used to stop YOUR breath from easily expanding into a cloud around you, thus limiting the spread of any viral particles and completely stopping larger droplets.
Yes you can still catch the virus through a cloth mask, though it will reduce the viral load a tiny bit which is still useful.
Yes you can still transmit the virus through a cloth mask, but the area affected around your mouth breathing face is drastically reduced. So continue to use social distancing even with a mask on.
Wear the goddamn mask when around other people you don't live with!! Stop being ignorant assholes trying to spin the most minor medically advised inconvenience into "muh rights." Doing so labels you as an ignorant and spiteful human being who prefers their own minor comfort to the lives of others.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Opportunist on Friday August 07 2020, @10:56PM
Shhh, let them. The country is far more easily recolonized after the current settlers are gone.
(Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 07 2020, @11:01PM (4 children)
can you explain why japan is experiencing a spike despite universal mask wearings ? Much appreciated.
(Score: 2) by Tork on Friday August 07 2020, @11:06PM
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(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 07 2020, @11:56PM
Because God hates Japs.
(Score: 3, Informative) by driverless on Saturday August 08 2020, @08:50AM (1 child)
It's a "nationwide spike" in Japanese terms. It's "about average for a typical US city" in US terms.
Japan has lost as many people throughout the entire pandemic as the US loses in a single day.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 08 2020, @03:05PM
Perspective? Oh, no we can't have that. Somewhere one child daied from teh virus, so we have to keep all schools closed and teach kids through cell phones because cell phones are what makes 'merica grate!
Go on, kids, hop in the car, your dad is going to drive you down the highway where people die in car crashes regularly. He drives like a maniac, but as long as you wear your masks, you will be fine!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 08 2020, @08:24PM
Why do you hate freedom?
Welcome to America!
(Score: 2) by Snotnose on Friday August 07 2020, @10:39PM
Because a large percentage of the idiots around me refuse to wear a mask for any reason.
/ I live in California
// Deal with this, not every day, but I'm out and about 2-3 times a week
/// You can see the assholes a mile away, they don't just refuse to wear masks.
When the dust settled America realized it was saved by a porn star.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 08 2020, @06:11AM
Your off by a few months of propaganda. First we needed ventilators! then masks! and now TESTING! to defeat the flu.
(Score: 2, Informative) by Bot on Friday August 07 2020, @10:11PM (8 children)
>"... We don't know how the epidemic is trending."
I thought you could trace epidemics by those who fall ill.
Do you trace pneumonia deaths and patients or not? Then you can trace covid.
But, I know, people say: covid is different, it is more contagious/resistant/deadly/whatever
OK then expect a peak of actual patients. Here, the people from the south working in Lombardy (where covid raged in a nasty way, according to stats) were able to get back home in the south because the politicians mistakenly announced the lockdown one day in advance. (given the kind of mistakes made by putting covid patients in nursing homes, I attribute the error to malice, anyway an italian link is https://www.ilfattoquotidiano.it/2020/03/08/coronavirus-la-fuga-di-notizie-sul-decreto-cnn-bozza-ricevuta-dallufficio-stampa-della-regione-lombardia-che-smentisce-falso/5729557/). [ilfattoquotidiano.it] That happen in march and as of now no export of nasty covidity ensued. So maybe those cali hipsters will be lucky too.
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(Score: 2, Insightful) by khallow on Friday August 07 2020, @10:24PM (5 children)
3-7 days after exposure for those who show symptoms. For those who don't, tough luck.
Two to four weeks after exposure to death is typical.
In other words, those statistics tell you what covid was doing days to weeks ago.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 07 2020, @10:28PM (4 children)
Since you didn't spell it out, people can be asymptomatic carriers or not develop serious enough symptoms to go to the hospital so "fall ill" won't catch the majority of COVID spreaders.
(Score: 2) by Bot on Friday August 07 2020, @10:38PM (3 children)
OK to spell it out myself, what if hypothetically speaking nothing happens "days to weeks" from now like it happen in the south of Italy?
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(Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday August 08 2020, @12:19AM
Then everything is fine.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 08 2020, @02:56AM (1 child)
You got lucky and there were no significant number of infected people around.
The fuck is wrong with you?
(Score: 2) by Bot on Sunday August 09 2020, @09:16PM
You are not aware of the details, allow me.
In Lombardy, a wild deadly covid appears.
The government/governor/whatever decides to lock down the place BUT FIRST they leak the news.
Therefore all southerners escape, filling out trains cars and buses.
There is simply no way they were all covid clean, so they did take the lombardy strain south.
Apparently covid absorbs the culture of the place because from a stakanovist killer it became a sloth in a matter of one day.
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(Score: 3, Touché) by JoeMerchant on Saturday August 08 2020, @02:02AM (1 child)
When you're Chief Medical Officer on a ship with 40 million crew, you depend on your data gatherers to provide you with the big picture. TFA says the data gatherers are in over their heads, not keeping up, so leadership is basically flying blind - like they used to in the WWI trenches, you remember how well that went?
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(Score: 2) by Bot on Sunday August 09 2020, @09:29PM
WWI was an intentional mass suicide of armies on both sides for little territorial gains (does that remind you of another WW?). The actual leadership wasn't blind, all the others were.
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(Score: 3, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Friday August 07 2020, @10:48PM (1 child)
The numbers aren't scary enough, we have to pad them before we release them.
(Score: 3, Touché) by c0lo on Saturday August 08 2020, @12:51AM
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(Score: 5, Interesting) by Opportunist on Friday August 07 2020, @10:58PM (16 children)
How is it possible that every halfway decent third world country can get their shit together but the allegedly greatest nation ever is too dumb for it? How?
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Friday August 07 2020, @11:18PM
How?
Simple, they went crazy, pitchfork and torches crazy
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 0, Insightful) by Ethanol-fueled on Friday August 07 2020, @11:28PM
Well, we pulled off 9/11 and you all fell for that one too.
Everybody worldwide believed that hoax for a good 10 years, certainly long enough for the public anger to subside at their realization that Israel and corrupt elements within our government perpetrated it.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 07 2020, @11:41PM
> How?
We (USA population in genneral) let ourselves succumb to polarizing influences (from many different sources). So many people are mad at "the other side" that they haven't got time to think straight.
That's my story...
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 08 2020, @12:01AM
Because they outsourced everything to India or an H-1B.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 08 2020, @01:35AM (3 children)
The countries with far-right governments are all doing the worst. It is part of the ideology. The central theme of the right is, "Fuck you, I've got mine." That does not work out so well when dealing with a contagious pathogen (or really any time, if your goal is a functional society).
The states with far-right governments are also doing the worst (per capita).
Early on, it affected areas that were the most globally connected, so mainly large cities. But, those places have acted to control the disease. The current worst affected areas only have dysfunctional far-right governance in common.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 08 2020, @07:13PM (2 children)
far right. Geeze what lies have you been reading. Step out of your bubble. You have built a world of hate. Those are your fellow Americans.
So I see the new narrative is the tests are useless. What the 'far right' have been saying for months now. The numbers are lies. It was painfully obvious. But now it is 'holy hell the tests are off by 4x. Ruuun for the hills!
You are too blind to see that would be *GOOD* news. That means this thing is not as bad as made out to be. It means most of us have it or have had it and did not notice. Or do we need to lock down further? Perhaps we can have magic robots deliver food from the central commissary also make sure you only take your ration. Perhaps we can do like in Cuba and North Korea and the Soviet Union and turn off peoples electricity and water when they do not agree with you politically. Oh wait LA did just that.
You are being told lies to manipulate you they use fear and hate to do it. The CDC is currently reviewing all the cases of death. Nearly 1/4th of the reported numbers were from other causes of people who also tested positive. You have a 80% chance of dying within 6 months of entering a nursing home. That is because usually by the time you are going to a nursing home it is not good. You can not take care of yourself. Anyone who has had to put a parent into one of these places can tell you that. Huge swaths of those numbers were reported as covid. HCQ is effective against SARS but not covid. That would be a *very* interesting discovery as they are very closely related genome wise! But instead we are to wait for this magic cure. Sometime next year. If HCQ is effective say 1% of the time. Why do we not let people take it under prescribed care? That would be 1% less death and suffering. Yet we wait to cling to a test where the doctors intentionally overdosed their patients to say HCQ is bad. In my eyes that would be evil.
You have this magic boogie man of the 'alt right' in your head that does not exist. The DNC are the fascists. They are the ones who want you locked up and controlled. You personally are letting them do it to you. You then go on to preach the good word that other should be cool with that. They are not cool with you stripping them of their freedom of choice. They are not cool with you stripping them of their voice on the internet. They are not cool with you want them dead and snickering about it. Yes you.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 08 2020, @08:07PM
We just DON'T KNOW!!1! Are you going to vote for Biden, or not?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 08 2020, @08:16PM
The MSM and Democrat states are going by the line that "HCQ does not treat Covid-19!". But if it is useful for improving the general condition and prognosis of people with Covid-19 pneumonia complications, we should be encouraging the use of it. Regular treatment protocols appear to be of high mortality risk anyway.
In any case, we should not set up political barriers for physicians making a professional decision to provide it to a patient off-label.
(Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Saturday August 08 2020, @01:59AM
Government matters. Leadership matters. Programs paid for by tax dollars matter. With the political election system, quality varies from term to term.
I think there are times when we would actually do better for ourselves if D.C. and all the state capitols were nuked, but since that's not likely to happen, we should endeavor to do better at the ballot box this November.
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(Score: 3, Insightful) by HiThere on Saturday August 08 2020, @03:49AM (4 children)
In the first place, it's not true. Some of them handled it well, others didn't. And if they have a high background level of other diseases it's easy to miss COVID, as most serious cases look just like pneumonia.
Vietnam took advantage of being a dictatorship with the trust of the citizenry, and ordered drastic quarantines before any serious cases showed up. That immediately cut transmission down to zero, so they missed the first wave. Unfortunately, they then loosened up and a few cases came in from outside, and now they're needing to do it again. But by stepping on it hard and early they've been able to essentially stop COVID with, over all, much less quarantines than the US or UK.
Some places are very rural, with poor transportation and low population density. They can usually get by with just social isolation, and communication by phone or field calls (shouting at your neighbor in his field while you're working in your own field).
And, really, even fairly close congregation outside with a decent breeze isn't going to be a problem. But fairly close is about 6 feet. Perhaps 5. Easy conversational distance, but not close enough to "press the flesh". For some societies that's fairly normal, a little bit more distant that usual, but not too much. The Finns are reported to find it as close as they're comfortable anyway.
But a large part of the answer is "it looks like pneumonia, so if you don't test you won't find it"...but this is truer if there's already a high background level of disease. Or if people don't usually go to a hospital. Or if tests just aren't available.
So there's a multipartite answer to your question. But the simple answer is that denying you have a problem and sticking your head in the sand doesn't make the problem go away.
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(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 08 2020, @05:53AM (1 child)
Another factor that is not mentioned is that it is the old, or already sick, or more commonly both, who die of this. In dysfunctional societies many of these potential victims have already succumbed to something else. It is the developed worlds medical systems keeping them alive longer that perversely increases the COVID toll.
This explains the USA's high death toll, it is a mix of keeping sick people alive and shitty preventative care that leaves them unhealthy.
For example, how many diabetics in the USA are in shitty health because they have to ration their insulin to what they can afford rather than what they need?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 08 2020, @06:18AM
And how many long term ill patients were denied care for six weeks because the government denied doctor and hospital care to anyone not suffering flu symptoms?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 08 2020, @08:58PM (1 child)
How about the general poor health habits of the population of the USA?
What is the overweight/obesity percentage?
What is the smoking/vaping percentage?
What is the cardio-vascular issue percentage?
You cannot eat at McDognuts/JackOffInTheBox/etc. all the time and expect to have good health.
How about all of those overweight people leaving Costco/WalMart/etc. with cases of HFCS (soft-drinks)?
And we can close all sorts of businesses, but cigarette/smoking stores are still open ... this is a
respiratory inflamation issue after all ...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 08 2020, @09:45PM
Just before the impeachment showboat, the media was pounding on another mysterious lung disease, that was found to be caused by homemade concoctions the blacks were using to vape weed.
(Score: 3, Funny) by Bot on Sunday August 09 2020, @09:37PM (1 child)
>How is it possible that every halfway decent third world country can get their shit together
Italy inflated covid deaths
Albania inflated covid deaths
Romania inflated covid deaths
Brazil inflated covid deaths
Guys it's simple. One of the three option is the actual scenario:
1. covid 19 was the rehearsal, a deadly covid 20 is coming and a vaccine is the only cure, which will be used to further the globalist agenda through rfid or gene editing or who knows what.
2. covid 19 was the rehearsal, a lame covid 20 is coming and the vaccine is deadly, which will be used to further the globalist agenda through depopulation
3. covid 19 was the failed op or just a diversion to let the already failing economy belly up without blaming the system. No covid is coming.
The problem is that we have to bet our life on a correct second guessing of the elite plans.
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(Score: 2) by Opportunist on Monday August 10 2020, @12:05AM
There is a much simpler scenario. It's an actual disease and you're a conspiracy nut.