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The Global Semiconductor Market: China Deploys Sun Tzu to Prevail in the Chip War

posted by Fnord666 on Thursday October 01 2020, @02:15PM   Printer-friendly
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The Global Semiconductor Market: China Deploys Sun Tzu to Prevail in the Chip War - Global Research:

Let's cut to the chase: with or without a sanction juggernaut,China simply won't be expelled from the global semiconductor market.

The real amount of chip supply Huawei has in stock for their smart phone business may remain an open question.

But the most important point is that in the next few years – remember Made in China 2025 remains in effect – the Chinese will be manufacturing the necessary equipment to produce 5 nm chips of equivalent or even better quality than what's coming from Taiwan, South Korea and Japan.

Conversations with IT experts from Russia, ASEAN and Huawei reveal the basic contours of the road map ahead.

They explain that what could be described as a limitation of quantum physics is preventing a steady move from 5nm to 3nm chips. This means that the next breakthroughs may come from other semiconductor materials and techniques. So China, in this aspect, is practically at the same level of research as Taiwan, South Korea and Japan.

Additionally, there is no knowledge gap – or a communication problem – between Chinese and Taiwanese engineers. And the predominant modus operandi remains the revolving door.

China's breakthroughs involve a crucial switch from silicon to carbon. Chinese research is totally invested in it, and is nearly ready to transpose their lab work into industrial production.

In parallel, the Chinese are updating the US-privileged photo-lithography procedure to get nanometer chips to a new, non-photo lithography procedure capable of producing smaller and cheaper chips.

As much as Chinese companies, moving forward, will be buying every possible stage of chip manufacturing business in sight, whatever the cost, this will proceed in parallel to top US semiconductor firms like Qualcomm going no holds barred to skirt sanctions and continue to supply chips to Huawei. That's already the case with Intel and AMD.

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  • (Score: 2, Offtopic) by c0lo on Thursday October 01 2020, @02:53PM (2 children)

    by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Thursday October 01 2020, @02:53PM (#1059454) Journal

    Whatever the trials and tribulations of the chip war, the inescapable trend ahead is China positioned as the indispensable tech core of East Asia – encompassing ASEAN, Northeast Asia, and Eastern Siberia linked to both Koreas.

    This is the hard node of the incoming Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership (RCEP) – the biggest free trade deal in the world – which is bound to be signed by 2021.
    ...
    East Asia’s tech core will be at the heart of a global production chain integrating the very best in science and technology conception and the very best production specialists scattered around all nodes of the global supply chain.

    That’s a natural consequence, among other factors, of East Asia introducing patent applications at a multiple of 3.46 times the US.

    And that brings to the very special Samsung case. Samsung is increasing its R&D drive to in fact bypass US-branded technologies as soon as possible.

    When South Korea’s President Moon turbo-charges his appeal for the official end of the Korean War that should be seen in tandem with Samsung eventually reaching a wide-ranging tech cooperation deal with Huawei.

    ...
    So a crucial geopolitical and geoeconomic process to watch in the next few years is how Beijing progressively attracts Seoul to its area of influence as a sort of high-tech tributary power while banking on the future of what would be a Korea Federation.
    ...
    Wang Huiyao of the Beijing-based Center for China and Globalization notes how China and South Korea already have a free trade agreement and “will start the second phase of negotiations to establish a new mechanism for China-South Korea economic cooperation, which is developing fast.”

    The next – immensely difficult – step will be to set up a China-Japan free trade mechanism. And then a closer, interconnected China-Japan-South Korea mechanism. RCEP is just the first step. It will be a long sail all the way to 2049. But everyone knows which way the wind is blowin’.

    And America is wasting time with an orange clown. Fuck!

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  • (Score: 3, Touché) by JoeMerchant on Thursday October 01 2020, @03:23PM (7 children)

    by JoeMerchant (3937) on Thursday October 01 2020, @03:23PM (#1059460)

    They explain that what could be described as a limitation of quantum physics is preventing a steady move from 5nm to 3nm

    Somewhere around the 1um mark they were bellyaching about the limitations of physics...

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    • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 01 2020, @03:50PM (2 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 01 2020, @03:50PM (#1059473)

      If you've heard of any plans for pushing past 2nm, I'm open to hear about them. We're reaching that point that there literally are just not enough atoms to reliably make a transistor.

      At 1um, there were still ideas. Now, even the major manufactures are admitting that they don't have any actual solid concepts for pushing past 2-3nm apart from a complete rethinking about what a chip is made of (ie carbon nanotubes or something of the sort). Not too mention, to even reach 5/7/11nm, manufacturers, aka marketing, have been playing fast and loose with their definitions of feature size.

      • (Score: 4, Informative) by takyon on Thursday October 01 2020, @07:09PM (1 child)

        by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Thursday October 01 2020, @07:09PM (#1059564) Journal

        With the caveat that the node names are mostly marketing, there's some ideas about "1.5nm" and "1nm". Intel also put "1.4nm" on one of its roadmaps [soylentnews.org] for 2029, below "3nm" and "2nm".

        https://semiengineering.com/transistor-options-beyond-3nm/ [semiengineering.com]


        Extreme ultraviolet (EUV) lithography is required for 7nm/5nm. Beyond 3nm, though, there may be a need for a next-generation EUV technology called high-numerical aperture (NA) EUV.

        [...] Based on the roadmaps, the lateral nanowire/nanosheet FET may extend from 4nm/3nm to somewhere around 2nm, meaning the technology may last for only one or two nodes.

        At 2nm, the industry faces some roadblocks. In theory, a 2nm device would consist of a 3-track height layout, but this type of scheme is difficult to envision, at least for now. “You really need at least 3 tracks in order to make a normal cell,” said Diederik Verkest, a program director at Imec. “With that type of architecture, it becomes extremely challenging.”

        All told, the industry may need a new solution. But chipmakers don’t want to start from scratch. Instead, they prefer to take the existing work and manufacturing technologies and evolve them.

        Imec proposes two options—CFETs and vertical nanowires. Slated for 2.5nm and beyond, a CFET is a more complex version of a gate-all-around device. Traditional gate-all-around FETs stack several p-type wires on top of each other. In a separate device, the transistor stacks n-type wires on each other.

        In CFETs, the idea is to stack both nFET and pFET wires on each other. A CFET could stack one nFET on top of a pFET wire, or two nFETs on top of two pFET wires.

        Since a CFET stacks both n- and p-type devices on each other, the transistor provides some benefits. “The main benefit is area. Area scaling brings you some benefits in power and performance,” Verkest said. “In terms of electrostatic control, a CFET would be the same as normal nanowire. They are both gate-all-around architectures.”

        [...] Another solution is a vertical nanowire FET (VFET). A lateral gate-all-around FET stacks the wires horizontally. In contrast, VFETs stack the wires vertically. The source, gate and drain are stacked on top of each other. That means there is a gain in area.

        VFETs have some drawbacks. The VFET is an effective device to scale SRAM. But it is not a device that scales the logic cell.

        [...] There are other options. In 2008, researchers from Purdue University proposed the idea of so-called negative-capacitance FETs or NC-FETs.

        Targeted for 3nm and beyond, the NC-FET isn’t a new device. Instead, an NC-FET takes an existing transistor with a high-k/metal-gate stack based on hafnium oxide. Then, the gate stack is modified with ferroelectric properties, creating a steep sub-threshold slope device well below the 60mV/decade limit.

        [...] NC-FETs fall in the same category as tunnel FETs (TFETs), a futuristic steep sub-threshold transistor candidate. Unlike NC-FETs, though, TFETs would require a completely new structure.

        NC-FETs are related to a technology called the ferroelectric FET (FeFET). Both NC-FETs and FeFETs harness the ferroelectric properties in hafnium oxide.

        FeFETs and NC-FETs are different. “The most important difference is that the NC-FET is for logic and the FeFET is for memory. The NC-FET, in principle, is a logic device that does not have a nonvolatile memory. The other one, the FeFET, is a memory device that is nonvolatile,” said Stefan Müller, chief executive of Ferroelectric Memory Co. (FMC), a startup that is developing FeFETs.

        [...] What’s next? Beyond 1.5nm, the roadmap is cloudy. On Imec’s roadmap, there are several futuristic technologies, such as TFETs and spin-wave devices. 3D nanofabrics, a logic version of 3D NAND, is also a possibility.

        These futuristic devices will require new tools and materials, not to mention funding.

        https://semiengineering.com/making-chips-at-3nm-and-beyond/ [semiengineering.com]


        Behind the scenes, meanwhile, foundries and their customers continue to develop their 3nm and 2nm technologies, which are now slated for roughly 2022 and 2024, respectively. Work is also underway for 1nm and beyond, but that’s still far away.

        Starting at 3nm, the industry hopes to make the transition from today’s finFET transistors to gate-all-around FETs. At 2nm and perhaps beyond, the industry is looking at current and new versions of gate-all-around transistors.

        [...] A nanosheet FET is an extension of a finFET. It’s a finFET on its side with a gate wrapped around it. Nanosheets will appear at 3nm and may extend to 2nm or beyond.

        [...] There are other options on the table that also fall into the gate-all-around category. For example, Imec is developing a forksheet FET for 2nm. In forksheet FETs, both nFET and pFET are integrated in the same structure. A dielectric wall separates the nFET and pFET. This is different from existing gate-all-around FETs, which use different devices for the nFETs and pFETs.

        [...] Complementary FETs (CFETs), another type of gate-all-around device, are also an option at 2nm and perhaps beyond. CFETs consist of two separate nanowire FETs (p-type and n-type). Basically, the p-type nanowire is stacked on top of an n-type nanowire.

        “The concept of CFET consists in ‘folding’ the nFET on the pFET device, which eliminates the n-to-p separation bottleneck and, as a consequence, reduces the cell active area footprint by a factor two,” said Julien Ryckaert, program director at Imec, in a recent paper.

        CFETs are promising. “When people look at gate-all-around technologies, and specifically stacked complementary nanowires (CFETs) and similar technologies, they see these enabling technologies as creating an inflection point toward 3nm, 2nm and 1nm logic scaling,” said David Fried, vice president of computational products at Lam Research/Coventor. “People are reviewing the stacked nanowire landscape trajectory along with the next steps to enable that transition. This is what people are thinking might be beyond 3nm. I don’t know that anybody is defining the nodes in that space, but these technologies might enable the next scaling trajectory at 3nm and beyond.”

        [...] Manufacturing chips at 2nm/1nm brings up a whole slew of new issues, and new techniques and equipment will be required across a variety of different steps. This is evident in the thin films applied during manufacturing.

        “When you start getting down to layers that are less than 5nm thick in spin-coat deposits, you are susceptible to small variations in surface energy,” said James Lamb, Corporate Technical Fellow at Brewer Science. “That may be from your substrate or it may be from your material. So you really need to be perfect in your wetting and substrate surface being coated, as well as the material you’re coating with, to not have any defects. These are thin enough where the interface dynamics dominate the film formation much like in self-assembly processes, and it’s very susceptible to minor changes.”

        To put this in perspective, a 1nm film may have 5 to 8 atoms of thickness. Many of these films are in the range of 30 to 40 atoms.

        [...] The migration to 3nm will happen, although it might take longer than expected. The same is true for 2nm.

        Beyond that, it’s unclear what will happen at 1nm. CFETs might be the way to go. On the other hand, chip scaling may end, or it may be limited to small high-performance, highly-specific chips or chiplets that require extremely high density.

        In the near term, though, there is room for multiple technologies because no single technology can handle all applications.

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        • (Score: 2) by HiThere on Thursday October 01 2020, @08:32PM

          by HiThere (866) on Thursday October 01 2020, @08:32PM (#1059587) Journal

          Yeah, but that's an important caveat. OTOH, they weren't *entirely* marketing.

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    • (Score: 4, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 01 2020, @03:56PM (2 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 01 2020, @03:56PM (#1059476)

      Somewhere around the 1um mark they were bellyaching about the limitations of physics...

      "Limitations of physics" at that point would have been the limits of the photolithography process. This process is limited by wavelength of the light you are using because as your features approach that size diffraction interference wrecks the image.

      This "limitation" was exceeded when someone came up with the idea that (roughly) instead of projecting an image that would be ruined by diffraction, we can use clever tricks to arrange for the interference pattern to literally be the desired image.

      That breakthrough got us multiple orders of magnitude of improvements. The "limitations of physics" we are talking about today are different: they are related to the semiconductor material itself rather than the manufacturing process. So it is likely that exceeding this will require another breakthrough, and this time it will probably be in materials.

      • (Score: 2, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 01 2020, @05:43PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 01 2020, @05:43PM (#1059532)

        But WHY is my computer slower than ever fucking before???

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 01 2020, @09:57PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 01 2020, @09:57PM (#1059613)

          software bloat

    • (Score: 2) by richtopia on Thursday October 01 2020, @04:56PM

      by richtopia (3160) on Thursday October 01 2020, @04:56PM (#1059518) Homepage Journal

      Isn't the 1um process node when ASML came on the scene?

      I understand your point, we will innovate out of physical hurdles. The article is using this as an argument that there is an opportunity for China to outpace other semi manufacturers; everyone is hitting a barrier and there is an opportunity for a new player to innovate and win.

  • (Score: 0, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 01 2020, @03:44PM (5 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 01 2020, @03:44PM (#1059468)

    since no idiot will ever negotiate a deal with the Orange Liar. There is a reason why no American bank will lend to him anymore no matter what collateral - he's a liar. And no sane partner will negotiate with him either since he will simply renege on any "deal" a few weeks later. Just as an example, see the instant reinstatement of tariffs on Canadian Aluminum after the "renegotiated NAFTA". Bottom line, DO NOT TRUST A FUCKING LIAR.

    If America keeps him as a "leader", then America is fucked as a wanna-be leader of the world. All that will be left is a Warfare State that wastes resources on wars.

    https://www.cbc.ca/radio/ideas/massive-military-spending-is-turning-america-into-a-warfare-state-warns-ex-u-s-army-colonel-1.5738677 [www.cbc.ca]

    • (Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 01 2020, @03:59PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 01 2020, @03:59PM (#1059479)

      A more relevant political factor is that many are waiting until after the election to see what US's stance will be for the next four years. Joe will have a different view on it all than Don.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 01 2020, @04:23PM (3 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 01 2020, @04:23PM (#1059490)

      There is a reason why no American bank will lend to him anymore no matter what collateral - he's a liar.

      Got any evidence for that or is it just more Qookieness?

      • (Score: 0, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 01 2020, @07:20PM (2 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 01 2020, @07:20PM (#1059565)

        LMGTFY

        https://www.propublica.org/article/trump-inc-podcast-deutsche-bank-donald-trump [propublica.org]
        https://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/finance/347624-american-banks-dont-support-trump-voters-soon-wont-either [thehill.com]
        https://themoscowproject.org/collusion/banks-refuse-lend-trump-citing-donald-risk/ [themoscowproject.org]

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 01 2020, @09:44PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 01 2020, @09:44PM (#1059606)

          I make a habit of believing stuff journalists say without evidence.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 02 2020, @12:40AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 02 2020, @12:40AM (#1059643)

          Did you actually *read* those

          The first one is a hit piece to tie trump to a bank that is terrible. It was also settled in your third artcle. Meaning they came to an agreement of payback and writeoff. Meaning that bank did not want it to goto court.

          The second is another hit piece that leads off about betting speculation and finishing his first year (2017) "Speculating what will doom President Donald J. Trump has become a Washington parlor game. British betting companies have been putting odds this summer at better than 50-50 that Trump will not last his first term. Las Vegas has odds at up to 33 percent that the president will be gone by year's end. But for an early exit to occur, whether it be from resignation or impeachment, the much ballyhooed Trump base would have to lose its faith. "

          The third one basically is the same thing happening today with all entertainment companies. Anyone overexposed to that will take a hit on the bottom line. Oh and they came to an agreement to keep it out of court. But with a nice twist on the end it was the scary 'russians'.

          But sure no one will loan Trump any money. /s

          Pull the other one...

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 01 2020, @06:14PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 01 2020, @06:14PM (#1059544)

    maybe the problem is that the top money echelon cannot get "in" on woway.
    they're used to just buying or using political pressure to become "owners" of a business or whole business sector. live of the dividends?
    i am preeetttyyy sure that all these "securiti" concerns will vanish like the morning mist as soon as woway kowtows to these rich american shadow conglomates that do nothing but own paper and influence the biggest enforcement industry (usa military), by letting them become "shadow owners" of woway ...

  • (Score: 0, Troll) by fakefuck39 on Thursday October 01 2020, @08:18PM

    by fakefuck39 (6620) on Thursday October 01 2020, @08:18PM (#1059582)

    taiwan uses equipment from japan for their process - they don't make their own, nor do they have the skill to. and japan doesn't sell to china. there absolutely is a technology gap. the chinese aren't any good at any kind of innovation. they take stuff other countries share in order to do business in their country, and make a shitty copy of it. that's all they know how to do. they can hire all the engineers from taiwan they want - those engineers don't know how to create the hardware for lithography - they only know how to use the japanese tech.

  • (Score: 3, Funny) by SunTzuWarmaster on Thursday October 01 2020, @08:19PM (2 children)

    by SunTzuWarmaster (3971) on Thursday October 01 2020, @08:19PM (#1059583)
    Where is Sun Tzu? I was promised Sun Tzu.

    • (Score: 2) by tangomargarine on Thursday October 01 2020, @09:55PM

      by tangomargarine (667) on Thursday October 01 2020, @09:55PM (#1059610)

      I'm assuming this title makes about as much sense as

      China Sends Chuck Norris To Punch Chip War

      except I guess they got to reference something from Chinese history in the process

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    • (Score: 2) by Mojibake Tengu on Friday October 02 2020, @10:47AM

      by Mojibake Tengu (8598) on Friday October 02 2020, @10:47AM (#1059821) Journal

      banking on the future of what would be a Korea Federation

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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by aiwarrior on Thursday October 01 2020, @10:04PM (9 children)

    by aiwarrior (1812) on Thursday October 01 2020, @10:04PM (#1059618) Journal

    China is a strong contender and in the way to progress but this article seems to give super human abilities to Chinese industries which are not to be seen. The AMSL euv lithography equipment is damn unique in the world, and the result of huge capital investment of the whole world's foundries. This seems written as a kind of juvenile understanding of how research and engineering works. It is hard, it takes long and you need the right engineering capacity to make it work. It may even be unfeasible to reinvent some key tech to get to the status quo, see intel, much less leapfrog. Speaking of Intel. Intel is in the game for decades, decades, and it has hit a wall and massive difficulties. And before you say that Intel management sucks, think again and remind yourself that AMD sold its foundries and became fabless that is another example of how hard it is. So that is my reasoning for saying "what a bunch of bullshit". I will not even comment on the carbon techno babel. A technology that does not exist but somehow is ready for mass production. Right....

    • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Thursday October 01 2020, @10:35PM (5 children)

      by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Thursday October 01 2020, @10:35PM (#1059624) Journal

      The AMSL euv lithography equipment is damn unique in the world, and the result of huge capital investment of the whole world's foundries.

      Well, China thanks you from investing in research, they are going to build on top of it, switching from silicon to carbon (hold your horses, read to the end)

      It is hard, it takes long and you need the right engineering capacity to make it work.

      And what do make you think China isn't building those? It's not like they have an inherent limit in what they can build while you throw trillions into MIC and electoral advertising.

      I will not even comment on the carbon techno babel. A technology that does not exist but somehow is ready for mass production.

      It's good for that you abstain, lest your ignorance in the domain is exposed in full.
      Here's one example: https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=19/09/03/1721227 [soylentnews.org]

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      • (Score: 1) by khallow on Friday October 02 2020, @04:29AM (4 children)

        by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Friday October 02 2020, @04:29AM (#1059705) Journal

        And what do make you think China isn't building those? It's not like they have an inherent limit in what they can build while you throw trillions into MIC and electoral advertising.

        How about lack of evidence? I find it remarkable how we have this vague story - China is going to do something awesome with carbon by um 2025? 2049? No mention is ever made of how.

        • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Friday October 02 2020, @04:46AM (3 children)

          by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Friday October 02 2020, @04:46AM (#1059706) Journal

          No mention is ever made of how.

          Yes, those guys at MIT making a RISC from soot? They're super-smart, nobody's gonna match them ever.

          How about you write a letter to Mr. President Pooh and ask him to put up or shut those Canadians up?

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          • (Score: 1) by khallow on Friday October 02 2020, @12:16PM (2 children)

            by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Friday October 02 2020, @12:16PM (#1059836) Journal
            A 15k transistor IC from soot. There's a wee bit of a jump from that to a ten+ billion transistor, mass-produced IC from soot. Can't say it's impossible, but these sorts of moonshots are notorious for failure.

            • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Friday October 02 2020, @05:05PM (1 child)

              by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Friday October 02 2020, @05:05PM (#1059982) Journal

              It demonstrates the OP was wrong in his "A technology that does not exist".
              Some way to go to production, granted, but the technology exists.

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              • (Score: 2) by aiwarrior on Saturday October 03 2020, @07:56PM

                by aiwarrior (1812) on Saturday October 03 2020, @07:56PM (#1060408) Journal

                I stand corrected, the technology exists, so let me rephrase: The technology exists but scalability, profitability and mass production is unknown. I think the tech for quantum computing is more developed than these carbon chips. The point stands: the article is fluff. Even the article of MIT sounds fluff (It mentions the last iteration on the tech had 178 CNFETS but no number on the new process). Did you notice that the transistors would need freaking platinum? Sorry but the chineese are not about to leapfrog current state of the art foundries with a tech that ran an hello world in the lab, in about 10 years.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 02 2020, @12:43AM (2 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 02 2020, @12:43AM (#1059645)

      Intel one of the worlds leading makers of chips is having a tough time of it. Yet somehow magically the Chinese have it all figured out. This is a 3 layer deep article ghost written by someone in China. To give it an air of 'we are awesome'.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 02 2020, @02:49AM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 02 2020, @02:49AM (#1059679)

        Written by someone who thinks the USA is most awesome and no one else can possibly catch up and overtake.

        • (Score: 1) by khallow on Friday October 02 2020, @12:20PM

          by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Friday October 02 2020, @12:20PM (#1059837) Journal

          Written by someone who thinks the USA is most awesome and no one else can possibly catch up and overtake.

          Because vaporware is totally different when it's done by unspecified Chinese. Intel at least has a history of making real product.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 02 2020, @02:06AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 02 2020, @02:06AM (#1059663)

    from the art-of-war dept.

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