U.S. Hits 11 Million Coronavirus Cases, Adding 1 Million In A Week:
U.S. Hits 11 Million Coronavirus Cases, Adding 1 Million In A Week
More than 11 million confirmed coronavirus cases have been recorded in the United States, according to a COVID-19 tracker by Johns Hopkins University. The country reported 166,555 new cases on Sunday, with 1,266 new deaths.
The staggering milestone was reached only six days after the U.S. hit 10 million cases. Positive test rates and hospitalization rates are on the rise across the country, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
[...] Hospitalizations continue to climb. More than 69,000 people were hospitalized as of Sunday, more than ever before.
The pandemic also continues to disproportionately affect Black and brown communities in the U.S. According to data from the CDC as of Nov. 7, hospitalization rates for Hispanic or Latino people are 4.2 times higher than that of white people. American Indian or Alaska Native people have been hospitalized at 4.1 times the rate of white people, with Black people being hospitalized at 3.9 times the rate of white people.
[...] The Trump administration has blocked the current coronavirus task force from communicating with President-elect Biden's team.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 16 2020, @08:55PM (12 children)
Nope, we're not going anywhere for US Thanksgiving holiday (Nov 26 for non-USA). Not having the usual dinner with family and friends, not meeting them individually, no one coming home for a visit.
And that's OK, happy to help control the spread as much as possible.
(Score: 2) by mhajicek on Monday November 16 2020, @09:31PM
Thanksgiving is cancelled. We decided to exchange recipes as a poor substitute.
The spacelike surfaces of time foliations can have a cusp at the surface of discontinuity. - P. Hajicek
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 16 2020, @11:19PM
Good for you. Stay out of mine.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 17 2020, @01:56AM (8 children)
Don't worry my friend, I got you covered. I'll celebrate enough for the both of us. Huge family get together. Fuck your facist monkeys who say I can't see my family.
(Score: 2, Flamebait) by Grishnakh on Tuesday November 17 2020, @03:22AM (6 children)
Hopefully you'll die painfully of Covid. It would serve you right.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by fustakrakich on Tuesday November 17 2020, @03:35AM (1 child)
:-) And that will make you feel better?
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 17 2020, @03:53PM
You, grasshopper, haven't yet fully understood assholes.
Yes, in fact, it would make him feel better. And that's the very problem. Dopamine reward from someone else's suffering. Probably double-dose reward if Grishnakh has some part in it.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 17 2020, @05:18AM (3 children)
Around here the average age of people that die from Covid is going down. In the spring it was up around 75 or 80. Now down to about 60 (I think that was the number I saw in the paper). If you were counting on your (and your families) youth for a get-out-of-Covid free card, that may no longer be available to you.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 17 2020, @01:33PM
Think. Does that rationally make sense?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 17 2020, @03:21PM
Now go and look up the number on the government's official site instead. Will help you relegate papers to their rightful place in the toilet (useful when toilet paper gets scarce in brave new locked-down world).
(Score: 2) by Grishnakh on Wednesday November 18 2020, @02:52AM
I'm not counting on my age at all. Even people who survive have a 1 in 5 chance of lasting neurological problems according to the latest news I've read, and others have lasting respiratory problems. I'm doing my best to avoid catching it in the first place by avoiding the common ways of contracting it, unlike idiots like these people who flout safety and have unnecessary large gatherings (without masks most likely). Unfortunately, there's so many idiots in the US acting like the idiot above that the infection rates are going through the roof now, and death rates are right behind. Even so, some of these morons are literally dying in the hospital while insisting "it's not real!!" (or "it must be pneumonia", or "it must be lung cancer"). Seriously, how idiotic does a country's populace have to be when they're literally dying and their last words are a refusal to believe in the very disease that's killing them? Are there any historical precedents for stupidity on such a large, national scale? Usually, when groups of people utterly refuse to believe the reality that's right in front of them, it's some kind of brainwashed cult with numbers in the dozens, not millions.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by mcgrew on Tuesday November 17 2020, @08:35PM
You'll change your tune at their funeral(s) if you're lucky enough to avoid a ventilation tube, you Trumpian nitwit.
It is a disgrace that the richest nation in the world has hunger and homelessness.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 17 2020, @08:11PM
lmao! what a cowardly slave.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 16 2020, @09:01PM (41 children)
Why is it that new stories out of the USA always play the race card. Now it is the fault of white people for not being sick enough? Has the USA got a race sensitive chip on its shoulder about the size of Texas? In this instance I think the infection rates have a lot to do with lifestyle - more social community centric living versus isolated one family per home and don't even know the neighbours? And it just so happens that over time these differences happen to reflect certain minorities?
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 16 2020, @09:17PM (2 children)
Some people are incapable of thinking without race crossing their tiny minds. It appears that most of them are affiliated with the D party. Identity politics is the thing in America now.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 17 2020, @08:18AM
Don't fool yourself into thinking the Rs aren't delighted by the ratio...
That's a big reason that losing 1% of the population doesn't bother them!
If 3/4 of those 1% are people you don't like anyways, and you have treatments that are unavailable to them, it's a win win for the Racist white elites!
Don't blame the Democrats for being appalled!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 17 2020, @03:56PM
They do it in the name of being "do-gooders", simply to boost their own sense of self-importance and power.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 16 2020, @09:18PM (2 children)
The summary just lists a bunch of numbers and facts. Where does it say anything about anyone's fault?
I mean, holy crap, you're a sensitive victim. No one can say anything nowadays without offending some delicate blossom. "B...b...but muh feelz!!!11 Doesn't anyone think about muh feelz???"
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 16 2020, @09:33PM (1 child)
To GP's (partial) defense, it might have been more useful to slice up the stats by some other criteria, for example single family houses, vs low density apartments, vs high density apartments. Or by average income in each neighborhood.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 16 2020, @10:10PM
Absolutely. How about by age group, or geolocation? Or some useful metric that will help the rest of us figure out what to do to minimize our exposure.
But nope, news media not interested in being helpful with useful information. Sensationalism is where the $ are.
(Score: 0, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 16 2020, @10:15PM
Democrats are not all-in on universal healthcare but do agree on race. So is a good argument for universal healthcare.
(Score: 0, Troll) by VLM on Monday November 16 2020, @10:24PM (6 children)
Eeeeeh kinda anti-Semitic to complain about that kind of stuff in 2020. Those people absolutely love race baiting as a hobby. Divide and conqueror.
Careful read shows hospitalization rate.
The disease mostly seems to make sick people sicker so skinny little kids laugh at it aside from fear mongering about microscopic numbers of anecdotes, meanwhile for REALLY old people like 80+ its like 1/3 fatality rate.
And the obesity rate at like age 50 is surprisingly different between the races. Its almost like the differences are more than skin deep, or something.
Over 40% of black women are clinically obese in the South, adding in merely overweight its the majority now. Meanwhile white women are less than half as likely to be obese, something like 19% last time I saw. So if the cutoff for "sick enough to require hospitalization" were merely being obese, it would hit black women only twice as hard as white women.
My guess is the virus pretty much culls any person over 400 pounds, and at that weight its essentially mostly minorities. Note that at 400 pounds they'd be dead of a heart attack or diabetes complications in the next couple years anyway pandemic or not. Its not like a vaccine would magically mean every quarter ton black would live to 85 like skinny old white people do.
I get kind of annoyed at the whole "shut down gyms" thing because us gym goers are exactly the people least affected, and birds of a feather flock together and all that so its not like we can spread the disease even if we're unaffected (I literally don't go out other than the gym, neither does rest of family anymore now that schools shutting down again). Meanwhile keeping Walmart open, masks or not (masks don't work, as you can see in the figures) means walmart is gonna fill morgues up this winter because holy F does walmart have a fat clientele.
(Score: 0, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 17 2020, @12:02AM
100% of VLM is a deplorable racist. But we already knew that. Ought to be in a cage. With a wolverine.
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 17 2020, @01:18AM
FTFY
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 17 2020, @04:44AM (3 children)
You may be physically healthy but your mental health is very questionable. You should probably seek some professional help, at least in the form of some counseling.
Your posts imply that you believe the lives of elderly people and those with weight problems inherently have less value. Regardless of the reason you hold those views, they indicate dark personality traits. Aging is a natural process, one that you, too, experience. Weight and other health conditions are strongly related to socioeconomic status, much of which is determined by ones upbringing. Those who are born into wealthier families tend to be wealthier and have inherent advantages. It is far more complex than to simply dismiss overweight people as those who are too lazy to exercise and with too little willpower to make healthy lifestyle decisions. It shows extreme callousness for you to not seem to care about whether others are well.
You come across like a psychopath, showing a lack of empathy for others. I hope you find some peace so you don't have to live this way. Believe me, your posts make me angry because of the injustice that I see from your lack of regard for others. It's easier to understand why you might behave that way if you actually are a psychopath.
I wish you the best. Please seek help.
(Score: 2) by Dr Spin on Tuesday November 17 2020, @06:08AM
Aging is a natural process,
It may be natural, but its entirely avoidable.
When I first joined the computer industry, the head of HR was retiring, but sill looked young. We asked him how he retained his youthful looks. he replied:
"I never put sugar in my tea or coffee, and never put money in slot machines."
I took his advice, and still look as young as I did then, and I am every bit as foolish!
Warning: Opening your mouth may invalidate your brain!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 17 2020, @10:14AM
Look fat people ate more calories than the rest of us. They're killing this planet!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 17 2020, @02:05PM
Go yap at insurance companies that raise their premiums for those categories of people, or outright refuse them, then.
If you dare raise "your" voice against your paymasters, that is.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 16 2020, @10:35PM (7 children)
Projection.
Seriously, if you have to keep making that accusation in every topic where you prefer conspuracies then the problem is with you. Gee willickers it would be nice of conservatives would take some personal reslonsibility for themselves and stop attacking liberals for no reason.
Sorry your political party is filled with white supremacists? Hell, even the Poor Boys finally admitted they are white supremacists.
Time to face reality conservatives and denounce your shitty brothers and sisters. Your support of Trump in the face of a 4 year shitshow really ripped the mask off. Now we see that there is no good faith and you are perfectly happy to support fascism to get what you want. Clinton nailed it when she called you deplorables, because after four years all you've done is reinforce your selfish and hate filled world view.
(Score: 0, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 16 2020, @11:26PM (6 children)
This here is a democrat. How can I tell?
[x] Call other humans deplorable
[x] Call people with an alternative view "shitty"
[x] Call all conservatives fascist
[x] Support a Clinton
[x] Call anyone with an alternative view "selfish"
[x] Call anyone with an alternative view "hate-filled"
[x] Accuse an entire party to be racist
[x] Accuse conservatives of not taking personal responsibility, but democrats, by nature, set up structures so other people have to do what they want.
[x] Redirect the entire conversation away from the actual topic at hand, which, in this case, is why stories having nothing to do with race have race stats in them.
[x] Jump on anything and everything that doesn't appear to be from the Democratic party and attempt to destroy the person on a personal level without facts or reason.
Want to know why I'm a PROUD REPUBLICAN?
It's because I support and take personal responsibility. It's because I work. It's because I am the head of my household. It's because I support my fellow man by teaching them to fish, instead of having x # of people randomly give out MY fish. It's because I see Democrat college professors screaming at the camera. It's because of the BLM movement. It's because the Republican party uses logic and reason. And most of all, it's because I fact-check and trace statements to what the Constitution supports. Democrats have openly denounced parts of the Constitution. Want to know what's ripping this country apart? It's literally the Democratic party. It's a race issue that doesn't actually exist? Democrats. It's a wage disparity between males and females that doesn't actually exist? Democrats. It's senators calling for people to move to states so they can vote for democrat candidates? (Federally illegal BTW), again, Democratic party.
Just ignore the Democratic party and their mindless shock-culture. It's mostly lies and feelings anyway (you're guilty if they "feel" you're in the wrong). They're the only ones causing issues when it comes to skin color. The rest of us don't want to hire anyone because taxes are sky-high and we'd rather high people who want to work, who actually work, and who aren't going to threatening to bring the company to court because their desk job doesn't pay as well as the workers in the field actually doing the job the company exists for.
(Score: 5, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 16 2020, @11:58PM
Not really. Pretty obvious it is because you are a total moron. Get a job, you Tea Partier on Disability!
(Score: 4, Touché) by Mykl on Tuesday November 17 2020, @02:00AM (4 children)
I think you make some good points about the worst elements of the D party (rated you Interesting), but you're delusional if you think that the R's are a party of reason at the moment.
This is what is so good about mandatory voting in Australia. It tends to force a more centrist position from both parties, rather than the race to the fringes that US politics seems to be enjoying, because the parties have to cater to the group in the middle.
The preferential/proportional/runoff voting element also provides a stronger voice to minor parties, even if they don't have a significant number of elected representatives.
(Score: 1, Troll) by khallow on Tuesday November 17 2020, @04:19AM
If that's what's so good about mandatory voting, then it's time to end it.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 17 2020, @04:22AM (1 child)
We get fined (a couple hundred if I remember correctly) for not voting in Australia but pay nothing to get a covid test. In the US its the opposite, go figure - whether you're a R or D cult member surely you see how screwed up that is?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 18 2020, @05:12AM
Interesting note, liberals will probably agree while conservatives will disagree for no reason.
Brainwashing is a hell of a drug.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Grishnakh on Wednesday November 18 2020, @03:02AM
I'm not convinced about that mandatory voting at all. If someone doesn't care enough to vote, how is forcing them to vote going to convince them to make an informed decision, instead of just choosing randomly or choosing someone who's name they remember?
I'll wager that the reason you get a more centrist position is really because of the other factor you mentioned: preferential/proportional/runoff voting systems. Plurality (first past the post) voting necessarily leads to a 2-party system and prevents non-incumbent parties from seriously challenging the 2 dominant ones. Just look at the US: no political party has *ever* risen up and challenged the incumbent ones. The *only* time the system changed is when the Whig party died out, and then the other party (the Democratic-Republicans) split in 2, forming the 2 parties that now exist. If we ever have different dominating parties (without changing the election system), it'll be because one of the two parties imploded, and the other party broke in half. I thought this might possibly happen to the Republican party in this election due to Trump, causing the Democratic Party to split into the center-right/conservative party and the progressive/leftist party, but apparently I was quite wrong, as it seems nearly half the population has wholeheartedly embraced far-right political ideals (similar to Germany in the 1930s, when they went from the more liberal days of the Weimar Republic to Naziism and most of the population eventually embraced it. Luckily it isn't that bad here, but it does show how political views do not always get more liberal over time as some people believe, and in fact can swing back the other way pretty quickly).
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 16 2020, @11:38PM (9 children)
I have yet to see any real science describing why blacks are so much worse. It's not like they are genetically more prone to it. If they got to the bottom of the matter, they would probably have to say poor people are more prone, or certain social behaviors are more prone, or something that would inadvertently sound racist just because a lot of blacks happen to fall in to that group.
And yes, the USA got a race sensitive chip on its shoulder about the size of Texas. Here you have to make all kinds of concessions to blacks, put unqualified blacks in high paid jobs, (Steve Harvey is very unfunny, but if you don't laugh, you might be racist). if a black person shoots your entire family and then you shoot them before they put another bullet in you, then you are racist.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 17 2020, @12:05AM (1 child)
Fucking racist! Why do black people have to put bullets in you in the first place, except you running them down in your racist pick-em up truck. like those "former law enforcement" good ol' boys down in Georgia? Fucking asshole racist!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 17 2020, @04:24AM
I'm not white, but yellow if we need to label folks with colors. Lived in Michigan for 5+ years and 1+ years in Minnesota - guess which ethnic group I copped the most racist slurs from? Here's a hint, the very tanned ones.
(Score: 3, Troll) by RS3 on Tuesday November 17 2020, @12:09AM (4 children)
Actually black / African descent people have somewhat different body chemistries. I had a couple of blood tests a year+ ago and they list your result, and then list the "normal" ranges, and a couple of them were one way for caucasians and something different for blacks, like white cell count, which is somewhat lower normal for blacks.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1895180/ [nih.gov]
Often proper medical diagnosis and treatment involves precision, so the differences and consideration thereof can make a huge difference in patient outcomes.
(Score: 2) by darkfeline on Tuesday November 17 2020, @11:06AM (3 children)
Everything is a tradeoff. It's far more important that we fight systemic racism and generational injustice than provide the best medical treatment to certain subgroups per our best understanding of medicine at the moment. You have to make sacrifices for the greater good.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 17 2020, @03:24PM (1 child)
LoL. Dude, Poe's Law - seriously. :D
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 17 2020, @03:47PM
Thank you! But remember, and I need to keep it in mind, that this is SN- people get their power and jollies writing snarky stuff, even when they're dead wrong. It's not a matter of what OP actually meant, but it's much more about showing how clever you can be at reading into something someone says, interpreting no matter how wrong, and putting words in their e-mouth. I've had people actually put quotes around something that was not even close to something I wrote. Some people's brains are that scrambled. Maybe they had coronavirus neuropathy.
I keep forgetting where I am, and trying to be helpful. I need to remember this is NOT a place of constructive interaction / think-tank, but much more of a flamewar environment, because the assholes here got kicked off of slashdot and other places. Tis a shame so many good people and otherwise good conversation has to be ruined by assholes. If it was my board, I'd take the good people more seriously. And maybe someday I'll have the time to start one.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 17 2020, @03:37PM
So it's better to apply the same broad-brush medicine to everyone, so that we don't appear "racist"? Even if some people literally die in the process? I think I would call that racist. You give a medicine that will kill, or not enough medicine to help the person, because you're trying to say that ALL people need to get the exact same medical treatment no matter the underlying biology? I think I'd like to consult with some non-white people and get their opinion. Or would that be "racist"? I'll actually ask some Black people I know.
In other words, the term "racist" no is no longer limited to discriminating against someone?
I'm not a doctor, nor even work in the medical world. Your gripe is with the medical community, so please focus your time and effort not here, but with the United States of America's National Institute of Health. https://www.nih.gov [nih.gov]
Oh, and please start fighting "Affirmative Action" and any other discriminatory practices. And contact all the far left people who want "Reparations".
(Score: 4, Interesting) by HiThere on Tuesday November 17 2020, @01:28AM
Well, it's associated with higher exposure to pollution, and it's associated with having a job where you can't isolate yourself from infectious people. Those are both reasons why minority groups tend to be more exposed and have worse reactions. Bad cases are also associated with blood type A and with low levels of vitamin D. (That last may not be as simple as it sounds...but it may be that people who don't take vitamins are more likely to get a bad case...and that would correlate with low income.
Javascript is what you use to allow unknown third parties to run software you have no idea about on your computer.
(Score: 1, Troll) by Dr Spin on Tuesday November 17 2020, @06:14AM
I have yet to see any real science describing why blacks are so much worse
That is because you are supposed to wear the mask over your nose and mouth, not your eyes.
At the very least:
Lack of Vit D (proven to be an issue by Scientific research in at least 4 countries).
More likely to be in "public facing" jobs.
More likely to live in high pollution areas.
Notice that Covid levels in a lot of Equatorial Africa are a tiny fraction of what they are in Northern Europe.
America is much worse because of the infection by Trumpism.
Warning: Opening your mouth may invalidate your brain!
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 17 2020, @01:12AM (2 children)
Black and brown people disproportionately fill jobs with a higher risk of catching covid. They disproportionately make up care workers at the bottom of the hierarchy (the ones who have to deal with bodily fluids etc. of patients). They also make up the majority of workers in service jobs that remained open and in contact with the public/things the public have contacted, like gas stations, cleaning crews, restaurant workers, etc.
They are also disproportionately poor, and are more likely to live in crowded conditions in multi-generational households, or multi-family households.
Lastly, the jobs above are less likely to have health care coverage, so folks are going to be in very bad shape by the time they break down and seek medical care.
Nothing should be surprising about the ethnic breakdown of COVID cases, nor the breakdown in fatalities.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 17 2020, @03:20AM (1 child)
Believe me,t here is plenty of White people that would take these jobs, but somehow allowing immigration from White countries is racist.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 17 2020, @05:39AM
No there aren't. What self-respecting white person old enough to drink works a minimum wage job? If you do see a white person in one of those jobs it's because they're screw-ups who will never amount to anything.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 17 2020, @02:59AM
The 'race card' is actually LEA chumming (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chumming) for the worlds most notorious racist, bigot, and presumptive 'social offender' suspect, which just happens to be the poster of this response. It all got started in Yakima, WA (https://www.yakimawa.gov/) in the early 1970s, and continues to this very day.
(Score: 2) by legont on Tuesday November 17 2020, @11:02AM (1 child)
They are trained enough though not to play Jew card.
"Wealth is the relentless enemy of understanding" - John Kenneth Galbraith.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 18 2020, @05:22AM
Oh look, another buddy of VLM.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 17 2020, @12:25PM
As the chip is shifting from black/white towards gay/not gay, remember they can't force you to be black...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 17 2020, @08:26PM
uhh... NPR is controlled by the same Jews that control the rest of our media, industry and government, and likely yours. In case you haven't noticed there's a Neo-Bolshevik takeover under way here. If you live in a White country yours is probably being invaded by hordes of muslims and sub saharan africans, while you're arrested if you complain (or question the holohoax) as they rape your daughters and assault your increasingly wimpy sons... and who the fuck do you think is bringing all those throwbacks in, and funding the writing of your laws? That's right, it's the International Talmudic Jews. The same people who orchestrated the killing of 100+ million whites between ww1 and ww2 for profit and as part of their ongoing race war from the times of Egypt, Babylon and Rome against the naturally noble and gifted White race. Hitler was a racial hero, denigrated by the evil Jew ever since. Learn what's really going on before it's too late.
The only country is race.
White Genocide is Real: In Their Own Worlds: https://www.bitchute.com/video/JY6exTqkTQd1/ [bitchute.com]
(Score: 1, Troll) by mcgrew on Tuesday November 17 2020, @08:39PM
Any statement that includes the word "always" is instantly dubious, but the fact is that Covid kills blacks more easily than it kills whites, and racists like Donald Trump want to kill as many Black people as possible.
It so often has to do with race because America is a racist country that pits racists against antiracists.
It is a disgrace that the richest nation in the world has hunger and homelessness.
(Score: 2) by Freeman on Monday November 16 2020, @09:10PM (50 children)
While the infection rate seems to be much higher than it has been. The death rate is lower than when at the start. So, while there's a lot of sick people, they're not dying near as often.
Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"
(Score: 5, Informative) by Freeman on Monday November 16 2020, @09:13PM (27 children)
Data:
https://covidtracking.com/data/charts/us-all-key-metrics [covidtracking.com]
Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"
(Score: 1, Redundant) by Runaway1956 on Monday November 16 2020, @09:31PM (12 children)
Tests have skyrocketed.
Cases have skyrocketed.
Hospitalizations have gone up, then dipped, up again, then dipped, and are up again.
Deaths went way up in April, nosedived in July, a lower peak about August, down again, and now rising.
I see cause for concern. I don't see cause for panic. We knew all along that people were getting it, and recovering, without so much as the symptoms of a mild cold. The huge increase in testing is finding those people, and turning them into "cases". It's going to take a week or two, to see how those hospitalizations translate into deaths. When it does, need to examine the demographics - and we'll probably find mostly old people, and people with serious comorbitities.
That all sucks, but it's not the end of the world.
“I have become friends with many school shooters” - Tampon Tim Walz
(Score: 5, Insightful) by c0lo on Monday November 16 2020, @09:56PM (10 children)
https://covidactnow.org/ [covidactnow.org] go there and sort the table by the "ICU Headroom used". Currently, Montana and Oklahoma just ran out of ICUes (about 2 days ago).
Go check the "daily new deaths" on the corresponding entries for the states in https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ [worldometers.info]
When you see them climbing, you reached the "cascading failures" mode and can panic at your leisure.
Note: "cascading failures" can happen of a number of paths different from "no more ICU beds" - e.g. by nurses exhaustion [google.com]. This means you may potentially panic earlier.
https://www.youtube.com/@ProfSteveKeen https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by HiThere on Tuesday November 17 2020, @01:38AM (6 children)
True, but it's also true that the treatments *have* improved. (Also there's a time lag between when you catch it and you become contagious, and another between then and when you show symptoms that cause you to seek care.
Also the "quarantine" is a joke. It isn't happening. Some people are isolating themselves, but that only happens after the "seek medical care" stage, and the "be contagious and spread it around" stage happens first. And even people who should know better aren't really quarantining themselves. Check how we used to handle quarantines for smallpox and yellow-fever, and them remember that symptoms showed up before you were contagious.
If you want to see how a quarantine to contain COVID *should* be done, look at Vietnam, or China after they really admitted that they had a problem. Then realize that there's no way you could get people in the US to go along with something like that, except perhaps those in the military. People at most *think* they are afraid of COVID, they aren't really afraid, so even those who know better violate the rules. It it makes repeated swings through the country for a decade or so, then people may start to realize that it's dangerous.
Javascript is what you use to allow unknown third parties to run software you have no idea about on your computer.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Tuesday November 17 2020, @01:50AM (2 children)
All you said is likely true, but the reality still offers enough reasons to... ummm... rationally panic.
https://www.youtube.com/@ProfSteveKeen https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by Freeman on Tuesday November 17 2020, @04:44PM (1 child)
"rationally panic" is an oxymoron. People who panic are acting irrationally. Their thought processes have stopped and they're in the fight or flight mode. Which is absolutely unhelpful.
Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 17 2020, @10:35PM
So, you noted, eh? +1 pedantically observant
(Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday November 17 2020, @04:36AM
Keep in mind that caveat. At least with the US, when I saw more than 4 weeks of 20+% increases per day, I knew something was up.
(Score: 2) by legont on Tuesday November 17 2020, @11:09AM
In France, I was told, it is rather tough. One has to fill in paperwork - on real paper or phone app - before leaving one's dwelling and the list of excuses is short while timing is limited.
"Wealth is the relentless enemy of understanding" - John Kenneth Galbraith.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 17 2020, @03:34PM
This is an urban legend and Chinese research (which is another term for the same).
In observed reality, it is less than 20% chance to catch COVID even when living under the same roof with an infected person, and all "superspreader events" involved someone already symptomatic that did not stay at home.
An efficient measure would be to order everyone with symptoms of respiratory illness to stay at home, and for government to pay for their sick leave. For many it is poverty, not stupidity, that makes them go forth and spread viruses. (And the statistics in TFA supports this theory.)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 17 2020, @02:00AM (1 child)
Yeah I'm gonna trust some sort of "heartbeat" from the stupid industry that routinely loses fetal heartbeat leading to emergency c-section because their equipment is total shit. Every little dudad in the fucking hospital room amkes 30 different noises in course of 1 hour.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 17 2020, @10:32AM
That's why I turn them off when I walk past. They sleep better.
(Score: 2) by edIII on Tuesday November 17 2020, @08:27PM
Your post reads like an excerpt from the Hitchhikers Guide To The Galaxy :)
You may begin to panic, now.....
Technically, lunchtime is at any moment. It's just a wave function.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 17 2020, @08:28PM
as if you can believe anything the media or the government scum say. get real.
(Score: 2) by ikanreed on Monday November 16 2020, @09:31PM (5 children)
Treatment methods have improved, but we're again brushing up against that "limit of our facilities to hold sick people" problem, and in more places than just new york city this time.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by mhajicek on Monday November 16 2020, @09:35PM (4 children)
I wonder if it would be feasible to temporarily convert some school buildings that aren't being used by children doing remote learning.
The spacelike surfaces of time foliations can have a cusp at the surface of discontinuity. - P. Hajicek
(Score: 4, Insightful) by c0lo on Monday November 16 2020, @09:58PM
Convert them in nurses? (grin)
https://www.youtube.com/@ProfSteveKeen https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by RS3 on Monday November 16 2020, @10:20PM (1 child)
I think that's a great idea.
Near me, back in April or so, the Army Corps of Engineers came in and did just that to a recently closed school. Buildings were in good condition. No clue how much $ and effort were spent, but it never got used.
While I'm on the topic, in my area hospital / healthcare systems were laying people off in droves over the past 6 months.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 17 2020, @05:33AM
The layoffs are because hospitals have staff specialization and make more money on elective procedures. Many of the medical professionals and paraprofessionals have specialized training. If you aren't doing certain medical treatments, then you don't need to spend the money keeping on the people who do that sort of job. Also if you aren't doing your moneymaking procedures, you are losing money as a system. Combined together, you have redundant staff that not only can't make you money but are costing you money. The smart business decision is to try and move them to things that can make money, which isn't always an option, or lay them off. Now that medical systems are starting to have increased demand, that trend might reverse. But that doesn't do anything about the issue of them not making less money or the retraining that would require. Nor does it fix the issue of long-term sustainability damaging the system as a whole.
(Score: 2) by HiThere on Tuesday November 17 2020, @01:41AM
Well, you might be able to put up something equivalent to a field hospital in a school building. It sure wouldn't pass any normal standards. I suppose, though, it could keep people out of sight until they died or "recovered".
Javascript is what you use to allow unknown third parties to run software you have no idea about on your computer.
(Score: 2, Troll) by VLM on Monday November 16 2020, @10:33PM (7 children)
Amazing looking graph, the "Daily cases" graph looks like the inverse of the percentage of people wearing masks graph.
That's the reason why masks are bad. False sense of security, everybody go out and shop and spend money and open the schools and mingle and visit wearing a mask, then because the mask stuff is all a lie, the number of cases goes exponential.
(Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 17 2020, @12:08AM
It is a lie that the mask stuff is all a lie, you lying liar, VLM! Although you may be right about the false sense of security, you have ruined it with your rightwing Nutjob talking points from the stupidest Americans. Liar!!
(Score: 4, Informative) by MostCynical on Tuesday November 17 2020, @01:27AM
Masks explained [reddit.com]
alternate link [truthorfiction.com]
"I guess once you start doubting, there's no end to it." -Batou, Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex
(Score: 3, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 17 2020, @03:19AM (1 child)
I think it is horrible that for over 100 years we've been infringing upon the rights of hospital doctors and nurses by making them wear masks in operating rooms.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 17 2020, @03:41PM
I think it is indeed horrible that in 2020 you believe no one may know a difference between bacteria and viruses.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 17 2020, @05:56AM
Yet again, I'd like to remind you that this is a straw man argument.
Nobody is saying that masks alone are sufficient to prevent the spread of COVID-19. They are, however, a useful tool to limit its spread. But they should be used in conjunction with physical distancing, avoiding crowds, and frequently washing your hands and/or using hand sanitizer. Masks are useful because COVID-19 can be spread by respiratory droplets, which tend to be expelled farther by coughing or sneezing, but are slowed or captured by wearing a mask. Coughing and sneezing can rapidly spread droplets well beyond the six foot distance that has been recommended. Masks help to prevent this.
Nobody is claiming that wearing a mask allows you resume all activities normally. But wearing a mask is useful when combined with other measures.
If you go to a grocery store or are in a classroom, all else equal, you are safer if everyone wears masks.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 17 2020, @02:15PM (1 child)
What is telling, is that the same people religiously believe in masks despite no evidence, and religiously disbelieve efficiency of vitamins (D and C) despite any evidence.
Those people do not form an opinion themselves, they parrot whatever they are told from the up high. Arguing with them is as pointless as arguing with a dog.
In the meantime:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0899900720302318 [sciencedirect.com]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 18 2020, @05:20AM
Oh look, another whiny git. Every time I've seen the vitamin D, C stuff people have been quite open. They didn't just accept it as fact and happened to voice their questions and concerns.
What horrible behavior! Something is wtong with you wackos, you have a strange need for acceptance of whatever comes out of you.
(Score: 5, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 16 2020, @09:30PM (15 children)
It may be lower, but people are still dying. A friend of a friend just lost both their parents after another sibling came to visit from across the country...the visitor brought the virus with them unknowingly and stayed in their old room in the parent's house.
Now the visitor is going to have to live with the fact that they killed their parents. A pretty steep price to pay for a social visit that could have been done by phone, etc.
(Score: 2, Disagree) by Runaway1956 on Monday November 16 2020, @09:35PM (14 children)
Sad. We shouldn't be traveling around the country, unless really and truly necessary. But, the visitor didn't exactly "killed their parents". It's just a shitty luck of the draw. The God of Random Numbers wasn't very kind to them.
“I have become friends with many school shooters” - Tampon Tim Walz
(Score: 5, Insightful) by mhajicek on Monday November 16 2020, @09:37PM (2 children)
I would feel fully responsible if that was me. The risk was known, and a decision to take the risk was made.
The spacelike surfaces of time foliations can have a cusp at the surface of discontinuity. - P. Hajicek
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 16 2020, @09:41PM (1 child)
Yep, I'd feel responsible too and even if I self quarantined in advance of my trip, there is still the possibility of catching it in an airport or on a plane.
(Score: 2) by HiThere on Tuesday November 17 2020, @01:44AM
Well, there's generally several days between the time you catch it and the time you become infectious. I'd need to look it up, and it's variable, but I think the average is around 4 days.
Javascript is what you use to allow unknown third parties to run software you have no idea about on your computer.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 16 2020, @10:02PM (2 children)
Your grand daughter caught it via one or more asshole that didn't wear a mask. Shitty luck and God of Random?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 16 2020, @10:15PM (1 child)
Wasn't established that Runaway's granddaughter had Covid-19. Could have been flu. But in either case, the cruel bastard has not given us any updates! Out of the hospital? Recovering? What is going on?
(Score: 3, Informative) by Runaway1956 on Monday November 16 2020, @10:35PM
*sigh*
Apologies. Yes, it was flu. The kid is over it. Eating like a little pig, and driving brothers and sisters nuts again.
I mentioned it in one post, somewhere, damn if I can remember which one. ;^)
“I have become friends with many school shooters” - Tampon Tim Walz
(Score: 5, Insightful) by sjames on Monday November 16 2020, @10:19PM
The visitor certainly did increase the chances of a shitty draw or disfavor from the God of Random Numbers.
Personal responsibility and all that. If a parent leaves a loaded gun out where the kids might play with it, the parent gets the blame if someone gets shot. They don't get to say the kid pulled the trigger without aiming and it just happened to kill the postman, so too bad about that bad luck...
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 16 2020, @10:22PM (2 children)
Word of the day for you to learn: "negligence".
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 17 2020, @01:23AM
Criminal negligence. That's when one knows the behaviour is risky for the limb and life of others but chooses to give a fuck about.
(Score: 2) by PiMuNu on Tuesday November 17 2020, @09:09AM
Presumably the parents could have said "no". So there is some level of complicity
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 17 2020, @02:55AM (3 children)
Random had nothing to do with it. It was a visit by someone who was infected that did it.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday November 17 2020, @03:05AM (1 child)
It's still pretty fucking random. Or, do you have some power to look around you, and determine who is sick, and who will be sick? The guy didn't know he was sick, until it was too damned late to do anything about it, apparently.
“I have become friends with many school shooters” - Tampon Tim Walz
(Score: 3, Touché) by sjames on Tuesday November 17 2020, @05:58AM
Running around in camo wearing deer antlers during hunting season is pretty random too, but does that make it a good idea?
(Score: 2, Interesting) by RandomFactor on Tuesday November 17 2020, @03:06AM
Thanks, I've barely been out of the house(*). Definitely wasn't me.
(*) - that's not so much because of fear covid, but because mass fear of covid has enabled to me to live my dream shut-in lifestyle :-)
В «Правде» нет известий, в «Известиях» нет правды
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 16 2020, @11:27PM
That's as may be, but > 1,000 deaths/day [covidtracking.com] seems a little excessive.
Just sayin'.
(Score: 2) by helel on Tuesday November 17 2020, @05:48AM (4 children)
I know. If this were actually killing people you'd expect to see more deaths in 2020 than previous years [cdc.gov].
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 17 2020, @03:15PM (3 children)
Sure thing.
Let's apply the same methodology to year 2016 compared to 2011-2015. https://wonder.cdc.gov/mortSQL.html [cdc.gov]
2011 2,515,458
2012 2,543,279
2013 2,596,993
2014 2,626,418
2015 2,712,630
2016 2,744,248
145,292 excess deaths!
See, statistics manipulation is a wonderful tool to wow the uninitiated, but flaunting it on a site frequented by techies is somewhat reckless. ;)
(Score: 2) by Freeman on Tuesday November 17 2020, @04:30PM
All things considered, each year the number of deaths increases, for COVID deaths to make a serious impact, a lot more people would need to die from COVID. There would also need to be a lot more young, healthy people dying from COVID and that's just not the case.
So, from a general overall perspective, COVID isn't that big a deal. At least as far as we know. From a personal perspective, it may very well be a big deal, especially if you're dying from it or someone you know is dying or has died from it. Thus, it would be much better to focus on those that are at risk and help them avoid getting sick, than to shutdown the economy. Which would kill a lot more people. People can't eat, people do things they wouldn't normally have done, just so they can eat. Like, lie, steal, and kill, whatever it takes not to starve.
Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"
(Score: 2) by helel on Tuesday November 17 2020, @05:00PM (1 child)
First, there's a big difference between 150k and 300k. Let's say you know more than the professionals and we should expect 150k "excess deaths" this year with no plague ... well another 150 is nothing to sneeze at.
Second, I'm really curious how many mobile morgue [nypost.com] units you think El Paso needs in a normal year?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 17 2020, @08:31PM
As there's a big difference between 2016 and 2020. If you point us to a source of data for years 2017-2019, I'll happily do a 2019 vs 2014-2018.
(In 2018, it was 2,839,205 https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/deaths.htm [cdc.gov] : 95k more than in 2016.)
It was "to cough at" you needed to use; COVID does not cause rhinitis, therefore, no sneezing.
I'm really curious how many people you believe still fall for that in November 2020?
Seven whole months have passed since March, and many were the examples of political sleight of hand that had their secrets revealed to amazed public. Take note of that in future.
Therefore, the obvious answer to your question will be "however many the mayor needs to make whatever PR he wants, before he deigns to allow the families to bury the poor things at long last".
"El Paso County Judge Ricardo Samaniego will extend the city’s lockdown order, set to expire Wednesday, amid a surge in coronavirus-related hospital and ICU numbers over the last 11 days."