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"It it ain't broke, replace it with something that is."
About five years ago I was suddenly, unexpectedly taken ill. Not just 'that's a bit nasty' ill, but 'prepare for the worst' ill. One thing that kept my spirits up in hospital, in the long watches of the night, was listening to comedy shows and audiobooks. I used my smartphone for this, since I had it with me, and a pair of old, wired headphones that I just had time to grab on my way to the ambulance.
I survived, of course, as evidenced by my continued ramblings on this site. But it was an unpleasant experience, made just a little better by a simple piece of technology: the 3.5mm headphone jack.
Now, of course, I do own wireless headphones and earbuds – I think almost everybody does. I also own several of those irritating USB dongles, that provide a 3.5mm port for devices that don't have one. But here's the problem: I can't use my Bluetooth earbuds while they're charging. And I can't easily charge my phone whilst it's connected to the USB dongle. In a critical-care facility, it's hard enough to find one free mains socket to connect a charger to, let alone two./blockquote.
[...] What makes the loss of the headphone jack so hard to bear is that it wasn't done for the consumer's benefit. To be sure, manufacturers made certain claims about the alleged benefits of losing the jack, but few of them stand up to much logical scrutiny.
[...] No. All of these weak excuses are simply distractions from the real reason Apple, Samsung, and Google dropped the headphone jack: they all have a substantial investment in the manufacture of wireless headphones.
(Score: 5, Interesting) by PhilSalkie on Wednesday September 04, @03:44PM (3 children)
So, I put together a list of what I want in a phone:
SD Card
Physical SIM card
3.5mm Headphone jack
IR Blaster for turning off TVs
Removable battery
Ruggedized / Weatherproof
Repairable (screwed together, not glued together)
High speed camera
IR Night vision camera
Thermal Imaging camera
Recent Android Version
That list leaves out most of the big manufacturers, but I was suprised to find that apparently I'm not alone in my wish list - there are quite a few phones out there that hit many of the items on my list.
I recently got an Armor 25T Pro from uleFone - it doesn't do High Speed Video, doesn't have a removable battery, and it's not easily repairable, but I'll settle for "checks most of the boxes".
I'd figured that it would never get an OTA update, but it's had one bugfix release already, which maybe bodes well for the future. The thermal imaging works more than well enough for my needs, as does the night vision camera.
And it has that 3.5mm headphone jack!
(Score: 3, Insightful) by JoeMerchant on Wednesday September 04, @08:08PM (1 child)
I want an e-ink phone. Sure, make it super resolution high refresh rate color e-ink, I'm not a masochist, but I want the f-er to be SUNLIGHT READABLE, and without having to crank the backlight to burn-your-hands-drain-the-battery 11.
Headphones - couldn't care less, I bluetooth to speakers, if I need "private" listening, I probably don't need audio from my phone in the first place.
SD card - absolutely, there's no excuse for not having one in the same tray as the SIM card - well, other than media companies that want you to stream instead of own.
Physical SIM card - have they started making non-physical SIM card phones now? BOYCOTT!!!
IR Blaster - meh.
Removable battery - yeah, for overall platform longevity, I should be able to replace a battery and extend my phone's service life. First: go back to making phones that outlast their batteries.
Ruggedized / Weatherproof - duh.
Repairable: screws - meh. What components do you think you're actually going to be able to buy? Maybe in some panacea where you can swap camera modules, processor modules, etc. but I'm not a fan of carrying a literal brick around.
High speed camera - if by high speed you mean low light capable, sure. Recent advances in "night mode" phone photography are awesome, and useful too. 240fps 8K video? Nice specs, rarely needed.
IR night vision - are we talking about "real IR" having a cryo sensor with some compressed gas refrigerant to bleed off to chill it? Cool, not terribly practical. Do you mean the near visible IR that they all have anyway unless they install a cut-filter? Yeah, don't put the filter in, thanks. Most don't anyway.
Thermal imaging camera - again, how much of a brick are you willing to carry to get the specs? Basic thermal imaging is getting more compact, but don't you really want "real" high resolution, high precision thermal images? I mean, if you can video your spouse's face and watch capillary dilation as a kind of polygraph channel, you might learn things you'd be better off not knowing...
Recent Android Version - they tell me my Pixel is getting 15 soon, not sure how I feel about that...
>there are quite a few phones out there that hit many of the items on my list.
Particularly from China, like your uleFone. Channel compatibility with US services is weak, but can work in some areas.
>And it has that 3.5mm headphone jack!
Perfect for water and dirt ingress, when that little silicone flappy thing tears off of your "Ruggedized" phone.
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(Score: 2) by aafcac on Wednesday September 04, @11:39PM
Personally, I'd rather they put the power button on the front rather than the side, so that I could more easily use my phone while it's in a waterproof pouch. I've had water resistant phones in the past and they simply are not usable when it's raining due to the rain drops screwing with the display. Sure, they don't fry themselves, but they'd also not fry themselves in a plastic bag.
(Score: 2) by bart9h on Thursday September 05, @02:10AM
I would add:
FM radio
(Score: 3, Funny) by Tork on Wednesday September 04, @03:46PM (14 children)
Maybe, but let's not forget that that jack is unnecessarily bulky in this day and age and we all know the industry is too chaotic to land on a sensible replacement. A perk of wireless connections is they don't contribute to wear and tear on a device that already spends a lot of time bumping around in pockets.
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(Score: 5, Touché) by Dr Spin on Wednesday September 04, @05:56PM (13 children)
that jack is unnecessarily bulky in this day and age
No, that should read:
that jack is necessarily bulky in this day and age
For all the reasons mentioned above WE NEED THE DAMN JACK!
"Perks" of wireless are:
They can fly out the window of the car while you are checking on the safety of a manoeuvre.
Fall though gaps in the floor
Get lost while chasing the dog
Fall into your beer in the pub
Get confused with other peoples so you end up with two left ones, and don't know who has two right ones.
Having your phones tethered by a wire is often essential.
To the extent that I will not buy a phone without one ever again.
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(Score: 2) by Gaaark on Wednesday September 04, @06:25PM (1 child)
Or worse:
https://youtu.be/QLw6FemRavs?t=1 [youtu.be]
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(Score: 1) by anubi on Wednesday September 04, @10:30PM
With me, it's my glasses that fall off into the toilet or urinal when I look down to see if anything looks amiss in the "lower 40".
I hate when they do that.
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(Score: 3, Interesting) by Tork on Wednesday September 04, @07:44PM (9 children)
Dammit. Admittedly I should have said more in my original post. That's wholly my bad.
I'm not arguing to go exclusively wireless. I'm saying the 3.5mm jack has grown impractical for the tiny devices we want to use it in these days. Companies like Apple or Google don't need to be heavily invested in wireless headphones to want to be free of that standard.
No, you need ***a*** physical port, not that damned jack. The jack you want is not up to the current demands. That said, I agree with you that what I'm saying's not all that practical and competing standards are a pain in the ass. However, USB-C headphones do exist and devices that have gone that route have a lot more room for shit like battery capacity or other sensors we're slowly getting addicted to.
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(Score: 2) by owl on Thursday September 05, @04:23PM (8 children)
While true, for those who's argument is really: "I want to continue using the existing speaker/headphone hardware I've already purchased with my new widget", then having that specific jack is quite important, because without it, all the existing hardware no longer works with the new thing.
(Score: 2) by Tork on Thursday September 05, @05:16PM (7 children)
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(Score: 2) by aafcac on Thursday September 05, @07:59PM (6 children)
Why? It's proven to be durable with plenty of sound quality for the purpose.
(Score: 2) by Tork on Thursday September 05, @11:56PM (5 children)
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(Score: 2) by aafcac on Friday September 06, @02:10AM (4 children)
I've never had any issues with durability, nor have most other people. These aren't covered by patents and any replacement is likely to be. They're not that big, I have a media player that's about double the size of my thumb that has one. As for variety, I like that I can use a couple listening devices for everything.
Really, there's no reason to remove the jack from most devices.
(Score: 2) by Tork on Friday September 06, @01:09PM (3 children)
Except that it's totally redundant on today's mobile devices.
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(Score: 2) by aafcac on Friday September 06, @03:30PM (2 children)
They're not even remotely redundant. It's the main way that I listen to things from my phone and it's the one way that's pretty much guaranteed to allow me to attach it to speakers, cars, headphones, headsets and various other things that can use audio.
(Score: 2) by Tork on Friday September 06, @04:13PM (1 child)
I don't think you're wrong for wanting what you want, I actually prefer you get what you want, I'm just saying on a technical level it's redundant and that's a BFD now that we're demanding shit that fits on our wrists. It's time to phase that standard out.
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(Score: 2) by aafcac on Friday September 06, @04:30PM
But, it's not redundant. The kind of audio that you're going to be listening to through a phone is just fine with a royalty-free 1/8" jack. And, if we're accepting that the data port is the acceptable way of connecting wired devices for sound, then we're accepting being unable to listen to things while charging or transferring files. Which can be a problem, last time I went on vacation, I was in for a long day and wanted to have the phone completely topped off before I left the plane, which would have meant bringing a special adapter for charging while listening or not listening at all.
When there is an alternative that carries similar advantages to the wired stuff through a separate port, I'll consider this to be redundant, but I see no effort being made to make it redundant. We have a massive collection of accessories that work with the current port. And a bunch of them aren't even old. I'm still getting new devices and accessories that have support baked in and knowing that you've got that option is significant.
(Score: 5, Funny) by JoeMerchant on Wednesday September 04, @08:14PM
Last flight I was on someone's airbud fell out during boarding. They eventually found it, in another passenger's Cinnabon (fell into the open bag)... ick all around. Remember to fold your snack bags shut during boarding, otherwise gross waxy things may fall in.
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(Score: 5, Insightful) by DrkShadow on Wednesday September 04, @03:47PM (2 children)
People say that "music addiction" isn't a thing.
I *HATE* the god damn noise created by all of these addicts. People playing in on speaker phone on public transit. Someone a few seats down from them deciding that theirs is better, and doing the same. Restaurants. Retail stores. Grocery stores. Ubers. Everyplace. You can't ever escape it.
(It's also been shown that, even for music addicts, having a *quiet* place to study yields better results than continuously pumping noise at your head, as they customarily do. Imagine, an alcoholic functioning better without alcohol, despite drinking all the time. Who'da thought.)
(Score: 3, Interesting) by VLM on Wednesday September 04, @05:03PM
My gym took a poll and the winner for the radio was "off" so the weight room is silent and I love it.
The addicts wear headphones and its not my problem so I don't care.
I used to go to a gym that god help me changed radio stations based on their supposed clientele so when I went after lunchtime I had to listen to John Walsh or something like that every day at precisely 1pm. He was pretty cool for a boomer 70s guy but a bit before my time and it was every freakin day at 1pm they put his "lives been good" song on.
(Score: 4, Informative) by epitaxial on Wednesday September 04, @07:06PM
Fire up a wifi jammer in those instances. It will disconnect bluetooth.
(Score: 4, Informative) by EJ on Wednesday September 04, @04:39PM (5 children)
My issue is that I have a magnetic plug [amazon.com] in my phone's USB-C port that is difficult to remove if I want to use the 3.5mm dongle.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by EJ on Wednesday September 04, @06:27PM (4 children)
What psycho modded my post offtopic? How in the Hell is that offtopic?
The thread is bemoaning the loss of the 3.5mm jack and its replacement with the USB-C dongles.
My post was another example of why the USB-C dongles are bad.
Some people on this site are too stupid to be here.
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Wednesday September 04, @06:36PM
I agree - it is on-topic. I've addressed it for you.
I am not interested in knowing who people are or where they live. My interest starts and stops at our servers.
(Score: -1, Disagree) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 04, @10:08PM (2 children)
No one person should have the power to change the score of someone else's post. Broken implementation of a broken concept.
One downmod by one idiot hater removes your post from many eyes. How can it be self-correcting if people can't now see your post to upmod it? Oh, I've heard it many times, "read at -1".
Okay, then remove the ability to change reading threshold: make everyone read at -1 so everyone can see every post and counteract wrong downmods.
See where this is going? Yes, stupidville.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by janrinok on Wednesday September 04, @10:31PM (1 child)
No one person has that power - we all have it.
I simply added my own moderation. I am not doing anything behind the scenes. I can moderate a comment just as any other member can. I did not agree that it was off-topic so I moderated it myself.
Sometimes I think you are just trying to cause trouble and make false accusations. I am using the site the way it should be used. I can moderate your comment too! Welcome to your very own stupidville.
I am not interested in knowing who people are or where they live. My interest starts and stops at our servers.
(Score: 2) by aafcac on Friday September 06, @04:32PM
Only those of us on good behavior. Which I have a feeling is the actual complaint.
I've pretty much always got 10 points available and I can't remember the last time that I ran out of points to apply.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by VLM on Wednesday September 04, @04:54PM (8 children)
Buy two. MUCH better yet, buy two different things. I have a single ear and a dual ear and I alternate, sometimes it makes more sense to wear one or the other. The idea of only buying/owning one and having to jam my life into fitting the limitations of one device seems painful. Like the people who manipulate themselves into having only one phone charger apparently to make their life harder so they'll have more to complain about. Just buy two and relax.
I'm totally serious. Just like if you own two pairs of shoes and alternate you'll have less foot problems and the shoes will last longer, surprising longer than twice as long.
Probably a bad idea to have one earphone/headset/earplug installed for too long, but regular rotation among a set will likely be fairly harmless to your ear.
Another thing to look into is those little charger pack things. Some have multiple USB outs, so if you have "one" charger now you have an entire herd of devices charging off it.
If you have convinced yourself that you have to carry a big pocket full of stuff to be happy, a slightly more overstuffed pocket won't be THAT much harder.
Its like demanding you only own one shirt and trying to work your life around going to weddings at churches AND changing the oil in your car after painting the garage be done in the same shirt; I mean yeah technically possible but its SO much less of a hassle to own multiple shirts.
(Score: 5, Funny) by Freeman on Wednesday September 04, @05:13PM (3 children)
Ah, so I should just buy two sets of apple airpods. That makes sense, thank you for explaining to me why I should just spend even more money. Have you ever thought about going into a sales/promotional/marketing career?
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(Score: 2) by VLM on Wednesday September 04, @05:56PM (1 child)
Designer products are always super expensive. You could buy six generics for the price of one apple product and the generics will probably have better performance and longer life anyway.
But, yeah, buy more. You have to throw your old phone out to buy the new phone that does the same thing next year, right? But you could keep airpods until you lose them or they break, so even if you "had to" buy new models so people could see you overspent, you could keep the old ones for other uses.
(Score: 2) by Freeman on Thursday September 05, @03:21PM
For clarification, I'm way too cheap to spend "designer product money". I'm also way too cheap to not keep my current phone until it's actually dead (and/or not supported). I've tried various "cheap" bluetooth headsets. For the most part, they're all junk. Just to varying degrees of junk. The most recent set I bought was probably the worst pair of bluetooth headsets, I've ever purchased. Though not the cheapest I've ever purchased. In the even that I'm using a headset, it's almost always attached to my computer. While I could use a bluetooth headset, I've never gotten tons of use from them. Thus, overspending by getting a bluetooth headset that cost more than the wired headset I have hooked up to my computer is just nuts. Also, the wired headset doesn't run out of battery.
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(Score: 2) by Tork on Wednesday September 04, @08:12PM
Many people don't know this about Apple but you really can pair multiple BT devices to an iPhone. Buy a cheapo set of BT headphones to use as a backup or just use the lightning-to-3.5mm jack your phone came with. You don't actually need to buy another pair of airpods.
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(Score: 2) by Gaaark on Wednesday September 04, @06:28PM
YES! Let's one pair dry out while you wear the other. Also, let them dry out over a vent blowing a/c or heat; even better!
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(Score: 5, Insightful) by mhajicek on Wednesday September 04, @07:41PM
My issue is with the Bluetooth connection, and it's unreliability. It cuts out if I'm using the microwave. It switches to the car when I'm working in the garage and my wife starts the car. The list goes on.
Wired headphones just work.
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(Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Wednesday September 04, @08:17PM (1 child)
Slowly, but surely, I have been installing (mostly bluetooth) speakers everywhere I spend time. Boat, office, living room, etc. So much more sensible than trying to carry the portable everywhere. Although, the portable is great for those places lacking in power outlets.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 05, @01:11AM
For next to no money I've been installing wired stereos in all the places I might want music. Some are gifts from friends that are replacing an older system (or component) with the "latest high tech" and the rest are from thrift stores for almost no money at all.
If you have the available space, there's a lot to be said for large speakers.
A recent find was a small powered sub-woofer by Polk Audio for all of USD $7.99 I guess the usual thrift store crowd didn't recognize this nondescript box -- quite heavy & flat black. Works perfectly, takes the low frequency end of the mini speakers on the computer from about 110Hz down to about 35Hz, as estimated by my old ears and an on-line sine wave generator.
(Score: 5, Informative) by Ingar on Wednesday September 04, @05:31PM (1 child)
My mom's TV died. So, I did the sensible thing and got her a new one. Turns out it doesn't have any analog audio outputs,
and the soundbar doesn't do HDMI ARC. I have it connected over bluetooth, but now it doesn't turn on automatically when you turn on the TV.
Thanks a lot, LG.
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(Score: 2) by vux984 on Wednesday September 04, @08:55PM
A soundbar that doesn't do ARC ... how old is it?
Buy an adapter to whatever you need.
https://www.amazon.com/hdmi-arc-rca-converter/s?k=hdmi+arc+to+rca+converter [amazon.com]
Or buy a soundbar with ARC support.
I know and agree that buying 'more' things sucks, but it's always been like that and devices that are closely paired together tend to need to need to be within a generation or two when you upgrade to be properly compatible. Bluetooth (and it must be pretty old version on that soundbar) sounds like a bad solution to me; I'm surprised you aren't getting lip sync issues.
Use the old soundbar somewhere else ... sounds like like could find a new life as a bluetooth speaker.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by SomeRandomGeek on Wednesday September 04, @06:11PM (5 children)
I have always used earbuds/headphones primarily when walking or running. Wired headphones were awful. The wire would get tangled. And then either the earbud/headphone would get ripped out of my ear, or my phone would get ripped out of my pocket and fall to it's doom. Bluetooth is just better. If you're having trouble keeping everything charged, then you just lack the right charging accessories.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by corey on Wednesday September 04, @10:09PM (4 children)
I agree with you there. Looks like a few others don't. Seems to be personal opinion that might be fairly well split.
I've got a couple of comments on this story.
Interesting "ambulance list" he has - headphones being on it?! 'Oh, this splitting pain in my chest might be a heart attack! Better call 000 (or 911), and grab by headphones!'
I don't agree with this. Most new phones I see on the market are advertised with an IP67 or thereabouts rating, which means they can be thrown into shallow water (or a toilet). That is a major feature. My wife once dropped her phone into the toilet and that was the end of it, including GBs of data/photos on it. I think it's common. There's no way they could have done this with a stonking 3.5mm hole in the side. Unless it had a rubber plug which would wear away fairly quickly and render the feature useless. I actually think on balance that a high IP rating (against water and dust ingress) is more beneficial than a 3.5mm plug. You can also get USB-C or Lightning to 3.5mm adapters. That, along with Bluethooth connectivity mean you have 2 solutions to the problem, without needing a hole in the side of the phone to let water and dust in.
Though, the theory about the phone manufacturers also making money from Bluetooth headphones, so they kill off the 3.5mm jack, sounds juicy. I just don't think that's 100% why, maybe partially only.
(Score: 2) by Mykl on Thursday September 05, @12:40AM
Agreed. Apple publicly stated that their move away from the 3.5mm jack was both for size/thinness and water-resistant purposes. While it's true that it can lead to an increase in wireless headphone purchases I don't believe that was their main motivation, as wireless headphones were already a significant market by the time they ditched the jack.
(Score: 2) by carguy on Thursday September 05, @11:54AM (2 children)
> Most new phones I see on the market are advertised with an IP67 or thereabouts rating, which means they can be thrown into shallow water... There's no way they could have done this with a stonking 3.5mm hole in the side.
Beep, sorry, wrong answer. A quick search turned up many sources for waterproof 3.5mm jacks. Water can enter the jack, but go no further. Here's one designed for circuit board mounting and automated assembly --
https://www.cuidevices.com/waterproof-audio-jacks [cuidevices.com]
(Score: 3, Insightful) by owl on Thursday September 05, @04:19PM (1 child)
The part I find interesting in those that swallow the lie by the manufacturers that the reason for removal was for waterproofing is that they "see" a 3.5mm jack hole and think: Hmm, water ingress hole, while simultaneously seeing an open USB port hole and thinking: hmm, waterproof hole.
The lack of critical thinking required to believe that the 3.5mm jack can't be made waterproof (your CUI ref. disproves that) while simultaneously thinking that the USB jack can be made waterproof is just sad.
(Score: 2) by corey on Friday September 06, @11:23PM
Do you need a ladder to get down from your critical thinking high horse?
I design electronics every day, but for space applications. I don’t work with 3.5mm audio jacks much. So excuse my ignorance in this, it looks like products exist what do what I assumed but possible, so that’s great. The last time I played with 3.5mm jacks was as a teenager making headphone outputs to projects. I know they have made USB and Lightning connectors waterproof, I saw that somewhere.
Maybe the assumption that the phone manufacturers are lying about this is a lack of critical thinking too.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by looorg on Wednesday September 04, @06:41PM (2 children)
Not phone related but the jack is fine. It's the cable. The 3.5mm cable and plug are the weak links. The once I get for my various headphones now doesn't seem to last more then 6-12 months. Then there will be a intermittent failures, breaks or whatever in the cable and the connector/plug. It's flimsy and doesn't have any, or proper, strain relief.
The best pair of headphones I bought was a few years ago, they came with a 3 year warranty. I replaced those every 6ish months. The store was annoyed. They didn't think anyone saved receipt or warranties for that long, but I did. Became the cheapest headphones ever. But sadly the store stopped carrying that brand. But when I went to replace them the last time I got a cheaper pair and I was given money back.
(Score: 2) by bart9h on Thursday September 05, @02:51AM (1 child)
There are headphones with detachable (and replaceable) cables, but it's usually not the cheap ones.
(Score: 2) by aafcac on Friday September 06, @03:40PM
Apart from my ear buds, the ones I use have detachable cables. I personally like my Sennheisers and the ones I've bought have replaceable cables, which can be rather helpful at times as these sorts of things tend to last a very long time and it tends to be something to do with the cables that fails. They aren't necessarily even that much mroe expensive than the cheap ones, both pairs I've had over the years were under $100 each.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Snotnose on Wednesday September 04, @10:55PM (1 child)
Buy a little box with Bluetooth and a headphone jack, problem solved :)
Seriously, I bought wireless headphones a while back and love them. They sound much better than earbuds and, if they fall off while exercising, it's both immediately obvious and they're easy to see on the ground.
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(Score: 2, Interesting) by pTamok on Thursday September 05, @08:28AM
Bluetooth acts as a pretty good tracking mechanism. It's the underlying physical technology that allows Apple AirTags to work. Not everyone wants to be broadcasting an identifier all the time their headphones are powered up.
Note also that on many phones, Bluetooth Low Energy is permanently enabled and beaconing, even if 'Bluetooth' is disabled in the settings.
Sure, it's paranoid. But it is important to some people.
(Score: 2) by bart on Thursday September 05, @09:45AM
And it is about the most sold phone in the world. I have one and like it a lot.