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posted by martyb on Monday October 02 2017, @04:18PM   Printer-friendly

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/10/02/554976369/section-of-las-vegas-strip-is-closed-after-music-festival-shooting

A gunman fired upon thousands of people attending a music festival on the Las Vegas Strip Sunday night, in a brutal attack that is blamed for at least 58 deaths, police say. In the mass shooting and panic that ensued, 515 people were injured. At least one of the dead is an off-duty police officer who was attending the concert.

Editorializing: Interesting how media always emphasize ISLAMIC terrorists, but downplay domestic terrorism as psychologically disturbed individual lone-wolfs.


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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by LVDOVICVS on Monday October 02 2017, @08:45PM (9 children)

    by LVDOVICVS (6131) on Monday October 02 2017, @08:45PM (#576177)

    It really doesn't matter what the "founding fathers" intentions or desires were. They're dead and it's not their Constitution any more. It's ours.

    I believe we've proven yet again that there's no need for people to own these kinds of weapons. I want it changed. If enough other people also want it changed, then the systems designed by the aforementioned fathers of founding are already in place to make this change happen.

    Additionally, if you think the weapons you can buy offer a serious challenge to Abrams tanks, Warthogs, and drones with Hellfire missiles, you're delusional.

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  • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Monday October 02 2017, @08:54PM

    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Monday October 02 2017, @08:54PM (#576186) Homepage Journal

    The people at Tiananmen Square didn't even have a peashooter rifle - but they made a difference, did they not?

    It's funny that so many of us who are familiar with the military and it's weapons are willing to stand up and be counted - but people like you think we are delusional. Often times, all that is required is a warm body. Sometimes, that body must demonstrate his willingness to kill or be killed. And sometimes, bodies actually fall. But, one thing is certain - if you're not willing to make a stand, the opposition wins.

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  • (Score: 3, Informative) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday October 02 2017, @09:23PM (4 children)

    by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Monday October 02 2017, @09:23PM (#576207) Homepage Journal

    I think you might want to have a look back at the 1960s and this place called Vietnam. Technical superiority doesn't go very far when you're fighting guerrilla warfare and all someone has to do to go from a guerrilla to an upstanding citizen is drop their rifle and step around a corner.

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    My rights don't end where your fear begins.
    • (Score: 2) by deimtee on Tuesday October 03 2017, @01:25AM (3 children)

      by deimtee (3272) on Tuesday October 03 2017, @01:25AM (#576355) Journal

      That advantage is fading away. Surveillance, CCTV, Face recognition, Gait Recognition, IMSI tracking, RFID in everything, the list goes on of the ways they are trying to eliminate anonymity. Drop your rifle and step around the corner just means that now you have no rifle. They still know who you are.

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 03 2017, @03:19AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 03 2017, @03:19AM (#576399)

        They still know who you are.

        Based upon the reaction to and the continuing saga of Ed Snowden, and not even touching on the gaping holes in your assertions (IMSI and RFID OHNOEZ!) you appear to be vastly overestimating the capabilities of US government agents.

      • (Score: 2) by urza9814 on Tuesday October 03 2017, @05:34PM (1 child)

        by urza9814 (3954) on Tuesday October 03 2017, @05:34PM (#576683) Journal

        That advantage is fading away. Surveillance, CCTV, Face recognition, Gait Recognition, IMSI tracking, RFID in everything, the list goes on of the ways they are trying to eliminate anonymity. Drop your rifle and step around the corner just means that now you have no rifle. They still know who you are.

        So we're starting from a hypothetical world which has armed revolutionaries openly carrying and firing rifles through the city streets...yet you expect the government will still be able to maintain a vast surveillance network? Those CCTV cameras and any other tracking nodes would get knocked out pretty damn quick...

        • (Score: 2) by deimtee on Wednesday October 04 2017, @01:48AM

          by deimtee (3272) on Wednesday October 04 2017, @01:48AM (#576887) Journal

          No, that was in response to TMB saying you could drop your rifle and disappear. I think the surveillance state is almost here but society is still a long way from supporting armed revolution.
          I don't think you will be able to get from there to armed revolutionaries openly carrying and firing rifles without some sort of apocalypse.

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          If you cough while drinking cheap red wine it really cleans out your sinuses.
  • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 02 2017, @09:34PM (2 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 02 2017, @09:34PM (#576218)

    it's not their Constitution any more. It's ours.

    I believe we've proven yet again that there's no need for people to own these kinds of weapons. I want it changed. If enough other people also want it changed, then the systems designed by the aforementioned fathers of founding are already in place to make this change happen.

    You can try, but you'll have to get past the huge barrier in your way as explained in the majority opinion of 2008's Heller vs DC case, in which the USSC explicitly acknowledged that some rights do not come from government, and that such rights exist regardless of government. One such right was the one involved before the USSC, of whether or not a gun ban in the capital of the USA was legal. It wasn't.