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posted by martyb on Sunday January 10 2016, @01:10AM   Printer-friendly
from the PSA dept.

If you're using a PC running Windows 7 or 8, you may be getting a little sick of endless popup screens telling you to upgrade to version 10. And you may be worried about inadvertently installing the upgrade as part of a security update.

Microsoft will start pushing out a Windows 10 upgrade as a recommended, virtually mandatory, update very soon (it's right now only an optional download). Some people are tempted to turn off Windows Update completely to avoid getting the new operating system – don't. It'll leave your computer vulnerable to attack as you'll no longer get security patches.

It's actually rather easy to turn off the Windows 10 upgrade function without losing vital regular software updates. Microsoft even has an official document [*] explaining how to do it.

[...] Make sure you follow all the steps, but essentially you have to:

        1. Open the Registry Editor (search for regedit in the Start Menu and run it).
        2. Set [DWORD value] DisableOSUpgrade to 1 in HKLM\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsUpdate
        3. Set [DWORD value] ReservationsAllowed to 0 in HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\WindowsUpdate\OSUpgrade

Or, the obligatory recommendation to run FOSS instead.

[*] Javascript required.


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  • (Score: 5, Interesting) by Snotnose on Sunday January 10 2016, @02:04AM

    by Snotnose (1623) on Sunday January 10 2016, @02:04AM (#287468)

    Big effin mistake. What happened was I was doing stuff and got a popup asking if I wanted to update. As my mouse was on something I wanted to click on I selected "yes" without ever having a chance to read the new dialog box.

    I was afraid to abort the install, so I let it update me from Win8.1 to Win10. Big effin mistake.

    I've got 3 big problems with win10:

    1) About once a week, when I open my laptop it's unresponsive. I have to power cycle to get it back.
    2) About every 2 weeks, when I open my laptop it's done a reboot. Not cool Microsoft. You should Never ever reboot without my explicit permission.
    3) It has this nasty habit of detecting my mouse is somewhere it isn't. Things like I hit back in a browser and my window goes full screen. Hit a bookmark in a browser and it goes to the start menu. etc etc etc. It is 100% non-repeatable, the first few times I thought I'd messed up. But it's pretty consistent, once a day or so I click left mouse and something completely unrelated to where my mouse pointer is activated.

    I never had any of these problems before Win10. The main thing that boggles my mind is it will reboot while my laptop is closed, without ever asking me. This, IMHO, is a big enough issue to tell anyone who will listen to never "upgrade" to Win10.

    I'm not even going into the time I spend turning off the Microsoft spying.

    IMHO, Win10 is a farking disaster, nobody should run it.

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  • (Score: 2) by captain normal on Sunday January 10 2016, @03:16AM

    by captain normal (2205) on Sunday January 10 2016, @03:16AM (#287481)

    If you want to control reboot. Shut down the laptop yourself, then remove the battery and power cord. No way Microsoft can reboot with out you. Can't you just turn off auto-update, like I've done for all my Windoze machines since Win 98. Now in Win 7 and I update when I want and only after reviewing what updates are being pushed out. I just don't like software companies trying to grab my computer when I'm in the middle of something.

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    • (Score: 2) by frojack on Sunday January 10 2016, @04:15AM

      by frojack (1554) on Sunday January 10 2016, @04:15AM (#287490) Journal

      That's silly. You don't have to go to those lengths.

      The problem is that his laptop is not really sleeping, its just darkening the screen.
      He needs to google that problem, because it was common for certain mother boards, and was related to a settings problem.
      Most users can simply dig through the hidden settings and fix this. They don't make it easy to find.

      http://lmgtfy.com/?q=windows+10+doesn%27t+sleep [lmgtfy.com]

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      • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 10 2016, @05:16AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 10 2016, @05:16AM (#287502)

        I've had sleeping computers wake themselves apply updates and reboot themselves before. The first time it happened, I thought maybe I was wrong about putting it to sleep; but after it happened again and I lost work, I tested the hypothesis by scheduling the automatic update and reboot for a time I was awake to verify. I told the computer to sleep, it fell asleep with the square wave pattern on the power indicator and all, and I waited. Sure enough, Windows woke the computer, installed updates and rebooted. Interestingly enough however, not all the computers I own will wake themselves to install updates in that fashion. A colleague at work suggest it might have something to do with the RTC timers not being settable by Windows Update on some motherboards, even when on AC power.

        • (Score: 1, Troll) by Phoenix666 on Sunday January 10 2016, @03:15PM

          by Phoenix666 (552) on Sunday January 10 2016, @03:15PM (#287625) Journal

          Your post had me laughing uproariously and smacking my forehead. Why do people allow Windows on their equipment?

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 10 2016, @09:34AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 10 2016, @09:34AM (#287547)

        The real problem is he's running proprietary spyOS...

      • (Score: 2) by Snotnose on Sunday January 10 2016, @03:36PM

        by Snotnose (1623) on Sunday January 10 2016, @03:36PM (#287633)

        Hey, thanks. I'll look that up later this morning. It never occurred to me it could be a settings thing.

        As for auto update, it's set to automatically download updates, then ask me if I want to reboot. This is what I want. I don't have a problem with it rebooting, I have a problem with it rebooting without me telling it "ok, now is a good time to reboot".

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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 10 2016, @09:14PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 10 2016, @09:14PM (#287779)

          As another AC pointed out, it could actually be waking it from sleep. Try disabling the sleep timers in all your power profiles, if you don't use the timers for other things. If that doesn't work, there are a couple of posts on superuser that dive deeper into bending Windows to your will of not waking itself like that.

    • (Score: 2) by jasassin on Sunday January 10 2016, @10:05AM

      by jasassin (3566) <jasassin@gmail.com> on Sunday January 10 2016, @10:05AM (#287553) Homepage Journal

      Shut down the laptop yourself, then remove the battery and power cord.

      Try that on a Surface Pro.

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  • (Score: 2, Informative) by Some call me Tim on Sunday January 10 2016, @06:04AM

    by Some call me Tim (5819) on Sunday January 10 2016, @06:04AM (#287518)

    You probably know this but the Win10 upgrade can be rolled back (within 30 days) to Win7 or 8.1 if that's what you started with. http://www.howtogeek.com/220723/how-to-uninstall-windows-10-and-downgrade-to-windows-7-or-8.1/?PageSpeed=noscript/ [howtogeek.com]

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 10 2016, @09:58PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 10 2016, @09:58PM (#287815)

      Yes, WHAT THE FUCK is up with that?

      There is ABSOLUTELY NO technical reason why the roll-back should be time-limited!

      I've reinstalled a friends laptop this weekend, she wanted to try W10 and was told she could revert if she didn't like it. It was randomly installing a broken GPU driver every few days, necessitating a reboot to safe mode to manually reverse. They didn't bother storing system restore checkpoints (why did they build that damn broken system if they don't enable it by default anyway). Of course, the "upgrade" was just over a month ago, so no option to revert.

      I did ask her if they bought her diner and a movie first.

      For now, I'm perfectly happy with by PIRATED version of W7 with updates completely disabled (a proper browser, some common sense and a virtual machine is all I need). It runs for months without rebooting, never once fucked me over with updates, and it doesn't try to blackmail me into "upgrading".

  • (Score: 1, Troll) by No Respect on Sunday January 10 2016, @09:51AM

    by No Respect (991) on Sunday January 10 2016, @09:51AM (#287551)

    You were a moron to begin with if you were voluntarily running 8.1. You open your laptop and it reboots maybe once every couple of weeks? So what? Windows isn't stable enough to run for weeks on end. Never has been, never will be. It's doing you a favor. If you were expecting to be able to run Windows for months on end without a reboot then you really are a moron.

    • (Score: 2, Informative) by Runaway1956 on Sunday January 10 2016, @10:33AM

      by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Sunday January 10 2016, @10:33AM (#287560) Journal

      "Windows isn't stable enough to run for weeks on end. Never has been, never will be."

      Bingo!

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  • (Score: 2) by Common Joe on Sunday January 10 2016, @11:46AM

    by Common Joe (33) <{common.joe.0101} {at} {gmail.com}> on Sunday January 10 2016, @11:46AM (#287569) Journal

    2) About every 2 weeks, when I open my laptop it's done a reboot. Not cool Microsoft. You should Never ever reboot without my explicit permission.

    You may be bumping into a settings problem. Windows 10 defaults to automatically rebooting after an update. (At least, mine did.) Go to your start menu, click on Settings --> Update and Security --> Advanced Options. Under "Choose how updates are installed" (at the top), look at the drop down that says "Automatic (recommended)" and change it to "Notify to scheduled restart".

    You're definitely right that it's not cool. That should not be a default setting.

    3) It has this nasty habit of detecting my mouse is somewhere it isn't.

    I got a different problem with my touchpad. My touchpad is so sensitive since the Windows 10 update that my mouse "moves on its own" to a completely different part of the screen and then it clicks. Apparently, the bottom of my thumbs happen to catch the touchpad on my laptop. I'd turn it off when I'm typing something longer except Windows 10 made that not possible too.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 10 2016, @02:23PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 10 2016, @02:23PM (#287611)

      Does the mouse cursor automatically move to and click on ads?

      • (Score: 2) by Common Joe on Sunday January 10 2016, @08:57PM

        by Common Joe (33) <{common.joe.0101} {at} {gmail.com}> on Sunday January 10 2016, @08:57PM (#287772) Journal

        No.

        I wasn't sure a few weeks ago, but now I am. It is definitely my palm brushing the touchpad on the laptop. But it was definitively the upgrade that made the touchpad more sensitive. I have the most trouble when using Writer in LibreOffice.