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posted by martyb on Sunday May 17 2020, @04:27AM   Printer-friendly
from the I'm-shocked,-shocked-I-say dept.

U.S. Government Proposed Manipulating CDC Guidelines to Avoid Mask Shortages: Whistleblower:

The U.S. government proposed manipulating information about whether N95 masks worked to fight the spread of coronavirus in the general public, according to Dr. Richard Bright, a whistleblower who testified publicly for the first time on Thursday. The deception was an effort to avoid shortages and keep masks available for U.S. health care workers, but likely had a ripple effect throughout the country, leaving many people to believe that all masks are useless or even harmful during a pandemic. Bright's testimony is the first confirmation from a high-ranking official that the U.S. government actively sought to distribute incorrect information about N95 masks during the covid-19 pandemic.

Dr. Bright told the House Subcommittee on Health on Thursday about his attempts to warn others in the Department of Health and Human Services about the pending shortage of masks in January and early February, just as the novel coronavirus was spreading outside of China. Bright said that officials at the meeting simply said they would change the recommendations put out by the CDC to discourage the general public from buying masks.

"I indicated we know there will be a critical shortage of these supplies. We need to do something to ramp up production," Dr. Bright, the former top vaccine specialist at HHS, said of a meeting with HHS officials on February 7.

"They indicated if we notice there is a shortage, that we will simply change the CDC guidelines to better inform people who should not be wearing those masks, so that would save those masks for our health care workers," Dr. Bright testified.

"My response was, 'I can not believe you can sit and say that with a straight face'," Bright said. "That was absurd."

[...] Dr. Bright's entire 6-hour testimony is available on YouTube, and it's quite damning.


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  • (Score: 2, Interesting) by Bot on Sunday May 17 2020, @05:38AM (36 children)

    by Bot (3902) on Sunday May 17 2020, @05:38AM (#995264) Journal

    Personally, I still have to decide whether orange man is somle kind of opposition to the mondialists or the preconceived synthesis that normal people will be drawn to when the bad commies scares them enough. In my country, the government is unhinged (Conte selling out to gates and the EU, letting mafiosi out of jail supposedly to keep cosa nostra on their side, suspending the constitution, discussing TSO which is picking people and injecting them with vaccine or psychotropic drugs), I dunno in yours.

    But, criticizing the government for any limitation on the use of masks should first examine whether it's them or the other side right about wearing them. Get documented and good luck.

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  • (Score: 3, Touché) by gtomorrow on Sunday May 17 2020, @10:52AM (7 children)

    by gtomorrow (2230) on Sunday May 17 2020, @10:52AM (#995300) Journal

    Some clarifications/comments:

    ...Conte selling out to gates and the EU...

    "Gates" as in Bill, "gates" as in "cancelli" or some "gates" I'm not aware of? As for the rest of the accusation, care to elaborate on the "selling out", per favore?

    ...letting mafiosi out of jail supposedly to keep cosa nostra on their side...

    Hmmm. My first reaction is to call "cazzate" but I'd like your take on this.

    ...suspending the constitution...

    How so?

    ...discussing TSO which is picking people and injecting them...

    Forgive my ignorance but "TSO"? Trans-Siberian Orchestra? As for the rest of the accusation, citation needed, s'il vous plaît?

    • (Score: 2) by Bot on Sunday May 17 2020, @08:57PM (6 children)

      by Bot (3902) on Sunday May 17 2020, @08:57PM (#995459) Journal

      Evidently you live well outside Italy or well under rocks.

      gates as in bill gates who doesn't deserve a shift keypress for capitalization.

      Source: https://www.ilsole24ore.com/art/vaccino-anti-covid-italia-prima-fila-130-milioni-telefonata-conte-gates-ADPia2N [ilsole24ore.com]
      The source is the leading economic newspaper in italy, it says conte, head of a government who still has to give all people the 600 eur promised for march, is going to give 130 millions to gates (the foundation ofc) to develop a vaccine against a coronavirus... good luck with that.

      As for the mafiosi, https://www.google.com/search?q=conte+scarcerati+41+bis [google.com] , the idea of the government was: the mafiosi in maximum security jail risk contagion (yeah unless you treat them AS YOU TREAT THE FUCKING NORMAL PEOPLE UNDER LOCKDOWN AND PREVENT ANYBODY TO COME IN CONTACT WITH THEM, THEN THEY ARE SAFER INSIDE THE PRISON) so we are going to let them stay home. This for 50 to 300 guys according to sources. Big uproar, so they officially released only three (maximum security) and like 300 other bosses and high profile https://espresso.repubblica.it/plus/articoli/2020/05/07/news/ndrangheta-ecco-i-nomi-dei-boss-scarcerati-per-l-emergenza-covid19-1.347946?preview=true [repubblica.it]

      Note that one boss officially too ill was let out and the day after arrested because already caught in a meeting with other mafiosi, see what wonders does getting home for your health.

      TSO is trattamento sanitario obbligatorio, which would be a welcome treatment to inject a couple neurons in your brain. A couple so they can talk to each other and not feel alone.

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      • (Score: 2) by gtomorrow on Monday May 18 2020, @08:45AM (5 children)

        by gtomorrow (2230) on Monday May 18 2020, @08:45AM (#995649) Journal

        Oh, little Italian troll. You want pushback? Let's rock.

        AO! Ah, testa di minchia! Ma chi cazzo sei?! Come ti permetti rispondermi così, cafone?! Ti ho chiesto semplicemente delle spiegazioni e delle chiarificazioni e pensi che questo ti permette d'insultarmi? Pezzente che non sei altro!

        Now that we've gotten the convivalities out of the way...

        1) Nowhere in the Sole 24 articolo does it say Conte is handing over ~€130.000.000 to Gates (with a G maiuscola, deficiente analfabeto) but the COVID-19 vaccine research budget is around €130-140.000.000. Nice interpretation. Gates (again, to clarify between fence doors and a proper name, imbecile) called Presidente Conte to discuss the pandemic, most likely to help fund the Gates Foundation research. Stop. Coglione.

        2) As far as how the Italian government handled the "home arrest" of the aforementioned mafiosi, I'm afraid we are in agreement in that it was, to say the least, handled badly. But I put that agreement down to "even a broken clock tells the correct time twice a day," signor orologio rotto. La Repubblica Italiana is based on a humane treatment (even though those criminal dogs don't deserve as much) and there really is no provision in the Constitution of the Republic on how to handle such a situation. Go and reread Articolo 13, fascista di merda.

        3) TSO: who outside of tuo paese del terzo mondo would know what TSO signifies? I'll bet neanche tutti nel paese lo sanno! Oh, and is the Italian government grabbing people off the street Stasi-style for testing? Because that's how you made it appear. È ovvio che sei tu che manca gli neuroni se non addiritura un briciolo di cervello sparando cazzate del genere, coglione. Non ti permettere mai più rispondermi così e pretendo delle scuse.

        Anzi...spàrati.

        • (Score: 2) by Bot on Monday May 18 2020, @11:02PM (4 children)

          by Bot (3902) on Monday May 18 2020, @11:02PM (#996062) Journal

          > Come ti permetti rispondermi così, cafone?!
          Come ti permetti DI rispondermi così, cafone?

          Plus cafone is not very current, and mostly used by self appointed upper class women, so I would rather say: come si permette di rispondermi...

          > 1) Nowhere in the Sole 24
          24 ore

          > articolo does it say Conte is handing over ~€130.000.000 to Gates (with a G maiuscola, deficiente analfabeto)
          analfabeta, both towards male and female

          > but the COVID-19 vaccine research budget is around €130-140.000.000. Nice interpretation. Gates (again, to clarify between fence doors and a proper name, imbecile
          imbecille, two Ls, and most people with actually working neurons can desume things from context, you should try yourself.

          >) called Presidente Conte to discuss the pandemic, most likely to help fund the Gates Foundation research. Stop. Coglione.
          We'll see where the budget goes. Il secolo, which is another main newspaper, agrees with my interpretation. Maybe we have seen similar stuff happening often?

          > La Repubblica Italiana is based on a humane treatment
          LOL People will laugh in your face if you say that around here, unless they are commies and the party decides it is good for the cause. You know that saviano guy, right? the one who screamed NDRANGHETAAA when salvini showed a rosary? Now they let three 41 bis mafiosi and 300 bosses out and he doesn't raise the littlest red flag. No caps for him anymore, and no caps for salvini if he actually said draghi was ok.

          > 3) TSO: who outside of tuo paese del terzo mondo would know what TSO signifies?
          Everybody who read my original comment, where I told what TSO involved. Those that don't trust me will have to google a bit.

          Now, you didn't counter any point, so dunno, riprova sarai piu' fortunato.

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          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 19 2020, @02:35AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 19 2020, @02:35AM (#996139)

            I sense a hole, a hole at the base of your skull which leaked your brains into your ass.

          • (Score: 2) by gtomorrow on Tuesday May 19 2020, @09:18AM (2 children)

            by gtomorrow (2230) on Tuesday May 19 2020, @09:18AM (#996247) Journal

            Y'know, brutto fascista, instead of correcting my spelling errors and/or adding your worthless opinions and assumptions, you still didn't back up anything I asked.

            And now you're citing Il secolo?! Why don't you just cite Avanti!?!

            I should have just left it alone, being how nobody replied to your wild-ass trolling stronzate tranne me. Torna a infilare la tua lingua schifosa nel culo di Salvini. Almeno starai zitto così.

            Ah, un'ultima cosa. Non sì usa più "desume" in inglese. È una parola ormai antiquata. La parola, credo, che cercavi è "deduce." Bifolco.

            • (Score: 2) by Bot on Wednesday May 20 2020, @09:17AM (1 child)

              by Bot (3902) on Wednesday May 20 2020, @09:17AM (#996807) Journal

              Your argument is: no, conte is not giving money to bill gates, is setting up money to be given for research which will be counducted by the gates foundation.

              Anybody who thinks foundations are not tax avoidance schemes can leave the discussion now.

              Deduce and desume are different words with different meanings. Deduce implies more application of logic/reasoning.

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  • (Score: 5, Interesting) by JoeMerchant on Sunday May 17 2020, @01:48PM (11 children)

    by JoeMerchant (3937) on Sunday May 17 2020, @01:48PM (#995356)

    Personally, I'm taking what I consider to be an exceptionally childish - yet effective - approach to "dealing with" the orange man. I ignore him whenever and wherever possible, and subtly belittle and ridicule those who extole his virtues. The Trump "supporters" I know aren't even offended when you make fun of him, they know how ridiculous he is, they mostly cling to the idea that the other choices would be worse for them. I disagree, but there's little point in trying to prove anything to a Trump supporter, facts and logic have little or no value to them - better to hit them with emotional persuasion, which is different for everyone.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 17 2020, @03:54PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 17 2020, @03:54PM (#995388)

      How is it childish to ignore a pathological liar?

    • (Score: 2, Disagree) by Bot on Sunday May 17 2020, @09:16PM (8 children)

      by Bot (3902) on Sunday May 17 2020, @09:16PM (#995465) Journal

      Germans surrendered to Hitler because they knew Weimar was a slow death. Italians surrendered to Mussolini because the king said so but also because they were struggling with the death of agricultural society dictated by WWI. It's irrelevant to say Mussolini was a school teacher, Hitler a failing artist and they both didn't go above corporal rank in the army. Both were surely controllable or they would not have raised so high. Both had support from people who CORRECTLY assessed that keeping the status quo was a slow suicide. We have a similar situation now. You may not like those who choose Trump, I may not like those who choose a different hitler, e.g. AOC is promising. But the status quo is an engineered slow suicide, so I don't particularly blame who is manipulated into choosing a particular way out.

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      • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Sunday May 17 2020, @10:21PM

        by JoeMerchant (3937) on Sunday May 17 2020, @10:21PM (#995480)

        The problem I see with mein Cheeto in Chief is that instead of a slow suicide he is pushing for a fast one.

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      • (Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Sunday May 17 2020, @10:28PM (6 children)

        by PartTimeZombie (4827) Subscriber Badge on Sunday May 17 2020, @10:28PM (#995485)

        So you're arguing that because people chose fascism last century, and had their reasons, we shouldn't blame them for doing it again?

        Despite the fact that we know how that ended?

        Weird.

        • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 18 2020, @12:31AM (4 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 18 2020, @12:31AM (#995537)

          Brown shirts were hired by companies because police failed to protect property from destruction by Antifa. The Weimar Republic had all of the features that "progressives" want. If you give someone 2 bad choices, they are going to choose 1 of them. So the point is to avoid painting ourselves into that corner. We have the benefit of history. But unfortunately, we teach history in such a way that makes avoiding it impossible. We teach that Hitler was bad, but not how to avoid getting another one because that would show that progressivism has been tried before and that it was an unmitigated disaster.

          Speaking of 2 bad choices, maybe consider ranked choice voting.

          • (Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Monday May 18 2020, @01:11AM (3 children)

            by PartTimeZombie (4827) Subscriber Badge on Monday May 18 2020, @01:11AM (#995553)

            Good lord.

            What a strange worldview. It's almost like reality is optional.

            • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 18 2020, @02:34AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 18 2020, @02:34AM (#995585)

              It's just another way of saying that the only thing worse than Trump was Clinton. Trump may be an ignorant buffoon, but he would have to do a lot more evil before he is worse than a hot war in Iran. Hillary and the MIC* were gearing up for that even before the election, her losing to Trump saved a lot of lives on both sides.

              Search for the quote "Anyone can go to Baghdad. Real men go to Tehran."

            • (Score: 2, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 18 2020, @03:12AM (1 child)

              by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 18 2020, @03:12AM (#995597)

              We were told that Hillary had a 99% chance of winning. Wrong. Trump colluded with Russia. Wrong. Reconsider whose reality is suspect.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 18 2020, @09:22PM

                by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 18 2020, @09:22PM (#996031)

                Ouch, we got some real flat earth level dimwits around here. Just going by simple reported facts you are wrong. Maybe you'll grow out of your infantile mindset.

        • (Score: 2) by Bot on Wednesday May 20 2020, @09:15PM

          by Bot (3902) on Wednesday May 20 2020, @09:15PM (#997097) Journal

          > Despite the fact that we know how that ended?

          If this were an argument you shouldn't endorse anything remotely resembling SOCIALISM. Bernie, AOC, right out with the fascists.
          You shouldn't invest money in any financial system...

          oh wait this IS an argument.

          Seriously, it is not like PEOPLE actually chose. They were presented with two alternatives. One, allowing the progress to snuff them out. Two, adhere to the controlled opposition in the name of some values, and then get blamed for having done so, so next gen will grow up wary of such values. Both alternatives embrace progress, which does not mean "something that gets better with time", means "unfolding of a plan".

          For example the state of Israel was in the plan, the English caved in to terrorism and gave the land, Hitler, through terror, gave the people, even selecting them a bit.

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  • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday May 17 2020, @03:46PM (15 children)

    by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Sunday May 17 2020, @03:46PM (#995383) Journal
    "Orange Man" is about as close to the Antichrist as I've ever seen someone come. And like the text says, he's fooled even large masses of the (hah!) so-called elect. Read here [benjaminlcorey.com] if you're not too much of a coward.
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    • (Score: 1, Flamebait) by Pslytely Psycho on Sunday May 17 2020, @07:25PM (9 children)

      by Pslytely Psycho (1218) on Sunday May 17 2020, @07:25PM (#995441)

      Fair enough, so Joe Bidens lie total is up to what? A week, week and a half of Trumps? And even discussing sex scandals at this point in time is laughable after electing Mr. Grab Em by the Pussy.
      All politicos lie. But Trumpy even beats Nixon.....and the 1919 White Sox....

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sox_Scandal [wikipedia.org]

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 18 2020, @12:14AM (4 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 18 2020, @12:14AM (#995526)

        Access Hollywood tape comment was in the context of back stage activities, likely involving groupies who violate the stars personal space in a sexual manor. It is a well documented phenomenon, and expected for an Access Hollywood discussion. If the star reciprocates, we call that consent.

        • (Score: 2) by Pslytely Psycho on Monday May 18 2020, @09:25AM (3 children)

          by Pslytely Psycho (1218) on Monday May 18 2020, @09:25AM (#995657)

          Bullshit.

          It was never about groupies coming onto Trump. (GAG!)
          From the horses mouth:

          Trump: "Yeah that's her with the gold. I better use some Tic Tacs just in case I start kissing her. You know I'm automatically attracted to beautiful... I just start kissing them. It's like a magnet. Just kiss. I don't even wait. And when you're a star they let you do it. You can do anything."

          Bush: "Whatever you want."

          Trump: "Grab them by the pussy. You can do anything."

          That isn't someone invading his space, it's quite obvious it's the other way around.

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          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 19 2020, @02:37AM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 19 2020, @02:37AM (#996140)

            It really is something to see watching the MAGAs work so hard to re-interpret reality.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 21 2020, @12:46AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 21 2020, @12:46AM (#997173)

              I think that we all know that if Justin Bieber made this statement instead, it would not have been a news story. Selective outrage is political demagoguery.

              Also, the clip could have been edited to start earlier in the conversation, but including more context would have made the statement less controversial. Keep in mind, everyone in the clip knew that they had large cameras pointed at their faces, but they do not always know how they will be edited.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 21 2020, @12:22AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 21 2020, @12:22AM (#997165)

            Most people have heard of attraction to wealth.

            When you are a star, you get groupies, and they love it when you reciprocate. You did include in the quote "when you're a star." That is the qualifier that I am referring to. Stop ignoring it.

      • (Score: 1) by hemocyanin on Monday May 18 2020, @06:30AM (3 children)

        by hemocyanin (186) on Monday May 18 2020, @06:30AM (#995632) Journal

        Well, there's the whole Iraq war and such, but what's a few hundred thousand dead foreigners to Democrats like Biden?

        • (Score: 2) by Pslytely Psycho on Monday May 18 2020, @09:05AM (2 children)

          by Pslytely Psycho (1218) on Monday May 18 2020, @09:05AM (#995653)

          The Iraq war was started in 2003, under George Bush. There was indeed bipartisan support for it. So should you not hold Republicans feet to the fire as well? After all 215 (96.4%) of 223 Republican Representatives voted for the resolution. 82 (39.2%) of 209 Democratic Representatives voted for the resolution.

          And why is it important that Biden voted yea, and yet you completely overlook that the sitting Vice President Mike Pence also voted Yea?
          Not to mention both Clinton and Biden have admitted the vote was a mistake, but not Mike Pence.

          Or is it only bad if the person voting has a D in their party descriptor?

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          • (Score: 1) by hemocyanin on Monday May 18 2020, @03:35PM (1 child)

            by hemocyanin (186) on Monday May 18 2020, @03:35PM (#995859) Journal

            Biden didn't just vote yes. He pushed it in every way he could. To say he was just one of the morons who got duped (enough reason to despise him) is not just misleading, it's rewriting history.

            https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/feb/17/joe-biden-role-iraq-war [theguardian.com]

            Biden did vastly more than just vote for the war. Yet his role in bringing about that war remains mostly unknown or misunderstood by the public. When the war was debated and then authorized by the US Congress in 2002, Democrats controlled the Senate and Biden was chair of the Senate committee on foreign relations. Biden himself had enormous influence as chair and argued strongly in favor of the 2002 resolution granting President Bush the authority to invade Iraq.

            “I do not believe this is a rush to war,” Biden said a few days before the vote. “I believe it is a march to peace and security. I believe that failure to overwhelmingly support this resolution is likely to enhance the prospects that war will occur …”

            But he had a power much greater than his own words. He was able to choose all 18 witnesses in the main Senate hearings on Iraq. And he mainly chose people who supported a pro-war position

            • (Score: 2) by Pslytely Psycho on Monday May 18 2020, @10:47PM

              by Pslytely Psycho (1218) on Monday May 18 2020, @10:47PM (#996059)

              Still won't mention Pence also pushed for it.

              Since Pence was right there with them, your comments are totally pointless.

              He was duped, yea, BFD.

              At least he admits it was a bad vote.

              Where is Pence's retraction?

              Oh that's right, Theocracy pushing Pence was 'forgiven' by Cheeto, so all is well.

              Seriously, you're arguments are so thin, they make tracing paper look like parchment.

              Yawn....you bore me.

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    • (Score: 2) by Bot on Sunday May 17 2020, @08:38PM (3 children)

      by Bot (3902) on Sunday May 17 2020, @08:38PM (#995452) Journal

      >he's fooled even large masses of the (hah!) so-called elect

      This is not gonna happen though. For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

      note the "if it were possible" which is "is possible" in other versions. It is not possible to deceive the elect, I guess, not because the elect have special powers, but simply because the antichrist by definition denies the Christ, which for a Christian is a red flag glowing hot.

      A Trump COULD be an antichrist (John uses the plural too) that fools some guys who pose as christian. Why not. But not the elect. To do that, he would need to deny christ, which could happen if he aligns too much with the zionists and jews who are antichrist by definition and choice. Or maybe he plays the wicked one card and rebuilds the temple and plays god in it. But as Bill Gates, I think he lacks some charisma.

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      • (Score: 2) by Bot on Monday May 18 2020, @01:26AM (2 children)

        by Bot (3902) on Monday May 18 2020, @01:26AM (#995558) Journal

        Uh and about those great signs and wonders... and that head of the beast (a nation) being struck and healed... The only thing we are getting is the wormwood star (nuclear shit in the pacific, I guess some rotting sub or the aptly named fuk-u-shima reactor)

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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 19 2020, @02:39AM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 19 2020, @02:39AM (#996141)

          I see you're losing it, goooood.

          • (Score: 2) by Bot on Wednesday May 20 2020, @09:20PM

            by Bot (3902) on Wednesday May 20 2020, @09:20PM (#997100) Journal

            The good news, I am losing it.
            The bad news, since it started happening around 1995 it's better you don't hold your breath.

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    • (Score: 2) by Pslytely Psycho on Monday May 18 2020, @09:16AM

      by Pslytely Psycho (1218) on Monday May 18 2020, @09:16AM (#995655)

      Shit, I posted my response to the wrong comment. Sorry bout that. It was supposed to go to hemocyanin's comment that posted a video about Biden lies.
      Sorry Azuma.
      It does appear I pissed a few people off however, so there is that.....

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