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posted by martyb on Tuesday January 11 2022, @07:32PM   Printer-friendly
from the use-it-or-lose-it dept.

Report: Lufthansa Group Confirmed That 18,000 Flights Had Been Flown Empty To Keep Airport Slots - Airlive:

[...] Under these "use it or lose it" regulations, prior to the pandemic carriers had to utilise at least 80pc of their scheduled take-off and landing slots.

This was revised to 50pc as coronavirus saw travel become increasingly difficult – but airlines are still struggling to hit this target.

As a result of Lufthansa Group's latest figures, the Belgian federal government has written to the European Commission, calling for a change to the rules on maintaining slots.


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  • (Score: 2, Interesting) by deimtee on Wednesday January 12 2022, @01:03AM (9 children)

    by deimtee (3272) on Wednesday January 12 2022, @01:03AM (#1211982) Journal

    It's not a matter of cheaper. They have some sort of religious fear of paying people without making them work for it.
    Fuck the environment, they'd rather double their costs wasting fuel and materials than even consider something that looks remotely like a UBI.

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  • (Score: 0, Troll) by khallow on Wednesday January 12 2022, @03:30AM (5 children)

    by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday January 12 2022, @03:30AM (#1212016) Journal
    I have a couple of reasonable concerns:

    1) that shit won't get done if we throw everyone on UBI.

    2) that we create a destructive dynamic where people loot the future by voting for ever higher UBI.
    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by deimtee on Wednesday January 12 2022, @06:14AM (4 children)

      by deimtee (3272) on Wednesday January 12 2022, @06:14AM (#1212040) Journal

      1) that shit won't get done if we throw everyone on UBI.

      What shit? The point of this story is that shit that didn't need to be done was being done, and simply wasting resources.

      2) that we create a destructive dynamic where people loot the future by voting for ever higher UBI.

      You can't loot the future, it's not here yet. Much more likely you'd end up trying to loot the ruling class. Since they are the ones in charge, and have long had experience in protecting their wealth, I don't see the problem.

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      • (Score: 0, Redundant) by khallow on Wednesday January 12 2022, @06:25AM

        by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday January 12 2022, @06:25AM (#1212043) Journal

        The point of this story is that shit that didn't need to be done was being done, and simply wasting resources.

        Not by Lufthansa. They employed people to protect valuable assets - access to those gates.

        You can't loot the future, it's not here yet.

        We're already doing it. Most public pensions are classic examples. So are the large debts that most countries have.

        Much more likely you'd end up trying to loot the ruling class.

        What does the ruling class own? And how are you going to "loot" that in a way that doesn't partially or fully destroy the value of that asset?

      • (Score: 0, Redundant) by khallow on Wednesday January 12 2022, @03:43PM (2 children)

        by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday January 12 2022, @03:43PM (#1212133) Journal
        To elaborate on my previous post, we don't actually have an example of waste in this story. As I mentioned already, Lufthansa is securing assets for the future. From the point of view of the airport operator, this is a demonstration of fitness - showing that Lufthansa is interested in maintaining those airport slots. It's only the CO2 emissions are really considered waste, and well, there's just not that much of it.

        My take is that this can be resolved to most peoples' satisfaction by increasing the rent significantly for airport slots that aren't in use (thus demonstrating that fitness without the waste of CO2 emissions) with a reverting to the traditional model once things settle down.
        • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Thursday January 13 2022, @03:19AM (1 child)

          by JoeMerchant (3937) on Thursday January 13 2022, @03:19AM (#1212306)

          > the CO2 emissions are really considered waste, and well, there's just not that much of it.

          And the fuel to make those emissions which is still coming from non renewable sources. Also the hours wear and tear on the jet engines, which uses significant resources to maintain.

          > this is a demonstration of fitness

          Like "flexing" by purchasing an NFT?

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          • (Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday January 13 2022, @03:22AM

            by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Thursday January 13 2022, @03:22AM (#1212308) Journal

            And the fuel to make those emissions which is still coming from non renewable sources. Also the hours wear and tear on the jet engines, which uses significant resources to maintain.

            Yep, not much.

            Like "flexing" by purchasing an NFT?

            Nope.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 12 2022, @11:48AM (2 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 12 2022, @11:48AM (#1212073)

    As stated in the headline (do people even read those anymore?) these flights were required to keep their airport landing slots. Those slots are strictly 'use it or lose it' and losing your slot means that you can't land at that airport anymore. I shouldn't need to say why losing access to a major hub is a Bad Thing™.

    • (Score: 2) by deimtee on Wednesday January 12 2022, @03:12PM (1 child)

      by deimtee (3272) on Wednesday January 12 2022, @03:12PM (#1212117) Journal

      That is not some unbreakable natural law of the universe. Its an administrative rule that could be easily adjusted. Certainly be a lot cheaper and more environmentally friendly to modify a rule than to make 18000 unnecessary flights.

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 12 2022, @03:58PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 12 2022, @03:58PM (#1212139)

        Wouldn't it be better to make 18000 unnecessary rules to ensure the right people get paid?