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posted by martyb on Friday August 23 2019, @06:17AM   Printer-friendly
from the tragedy-of-the-commons dept.

I was going to post this to a particular story, but thought this might generate more attention and discussion as a general submission.

Seriously, what is going on with all these troll mods? Just because you disagree with someone, thus earning a "disagree" mod, does not mean that person is a "troll." To steal a definition from Urban Dictionary:

An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum or chat room, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion.

Just because you disagree with someone, does not mean they are trying to do the above. Be faster on the "disagree" and slower on the "troll." Under such abuse, it is hard to have a good discussion and, in itself, is trollish behavior by "generally disrupt[ing] normal on-topic discussion." Other than people disciplining themselves, a concerted effort to police such abuses, or making moderation logs public on the bottom of a comment where the score is shown now, I'm unsure of what to do about. As it stands, it is getting increasingly ridiculous to read what discussion is here on any topic remotely controversial, and is expanding outside of even those. It is starting to drive me away from the site, and I'm somewhat confident it is doing the same for others. I'd be interested to see what others think about the depth of the problem, if they even believe it even exists at all, and what solutions you all have for it.

[Ed note. This story is published exactly as received. First off, it bears repeating that complaining about moderations in the comments often leads (rightly) to an off-topic moderation. That is a contributing factor to my decision to run this story. Secondly, moderation is something that I on occasion have found I've fat-fingered and given a different moderation than expected. Thirdly, in the grand scheme of things, a comment's moderation is — relatively speaking — small potatoes. It is NOT a measure of your IQ or value as a human being. or standing in the community. Just accept that stuff happens and that as likely as not, someone will be along to moderate it the other way. Which is a good opportunity to say: PLEASE USE YOUR MOD POINTS! Lastly, if you think a comment was moderated in error, then send the CID (Comment ID) link e.g. "(#876543)" in an email to admin (at) soylentnews (dot) org. Keep in mind however that we are all volunteers here and there most likely will be a delay between when you send out an email and when we can get around to it. --martyb]

[Updated: 20190823_111312 UTC See comment from JR who far more precisely and eloquently expressed the idea I was attempting to. I concur with his assessment. If I want people to upmod a comment of mine that I believe was unfairly downmodded, then I need to be willing to upmod other's mis-modded comments. For perspective, so far this month, anywhere from ~150-~350 mod points were used in any given day. It bears repeating: use your mod points!]

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  • (Score: 2) by aristarchus on Saturday August 24 2019, @08:47AM (1 child)

    by aristarchus (2645) on Saturday August 24 2019, @08:47AM (#884628) Journal

    Thinking I should check. Is it alright if I mod this "insightful"? Would not want to incur such wrath upon myself.

    And, by the way, I am quite sane, the mods of trolls roll off my back like rain on the back of a duck. You and I are scholars, Athanasius, people of science. We do not let the misunderstandings of the common run of people insult us, for indeed as the Savoir said, "forgive them, they know not what they do".

    So calm down, rescind your rescension, sit with the aristarchus as we view the heavens. Now Aristotle said nothing in the heavens ever changes, and the Church went on to interpret that as the Order of the Mind of God. So when Tycho and Kepler discovered "stella novae", this challenged the orthodoxy. Fair enough. Now we are in a period where it is not just the eternal order of the celestial order that is in question, but what the President said yesterday. And indeed, the premonitions of this were in the Ideology Critique of Marxism, and the relativism of Structuralism, and the reductionism of Constructivism, but you know all of that. Is does not affect the fact that we seek the truth, what is beyond mere opinion and the pureyance of rhetoriticians and salesmen. The troll modders here do not. They are idiots, uneducated, possibly skilled handicrafters like TMB, but in essence idiots.

    So hang in there, Kichner! It is part of Jesuit discipline, after all? Black Robes, among the pagans and disbelievers? I expect as much of you, fellow scholar!

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  • (Score: 2) by AthanasiusKircher on Saturday August 24 2019, @01:42PM

    by AthanasiusKircher (5291) on Saturday August 24 2019, @01:42PM (#884720) Journal

    Thinking I should check. Is it alright if I mod this "insightful"? Would not want to incur such wrath upon myself.

    I don't know if you're expecting wrath from me or wrath from our overlords here. But given the suppression of my speech that apparently occurred here last night, I would fear the latter -- I now understand you completely. I don't know what to believe about this site anymore.