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posted by takyon on Monday March 27 2017, @10:48AM   Printer-friendly
from the drupal-gored dept.

Drupal founder Dries Buytaert expelled Larry "Crell" Garfield from the Drupal community (archive) for his involvement in the BDSM community. Garfield claims this was done at the demand of Drupal Security team member Klaus "klausi" Purer and unknown others secretly pressuring Drupal leadership to have him removed for his private sex life.

takyon: From Larry's response:

I am involved in two such communities, specifically the BDSM community and the Gorean (Gor) community. The former is by far the larger of the two and more varied, although I spend more of my time and activity in the Gorean community. It's a small community, and sadly much of what is found online about it is utter crap, just as most in the BDSM community find the "50 Shades" representation of BDSM to be harmfully misleading. The Gorean subculture is inspired by a science-fiction book series written from the 1960s onward to today, and predicated on a strong sense of personal honor, integrity, and community. It also practices consensual Master/slave relationships, and has a strong gender bias toward male-Dom/female-sub relationships, but that is not the cornerstone of Gorean culture. There are other groups that are biased the other way, or have no gender bias. There are even groups in Chicago (where I live) that have regular "fem-dom" parties. To each their own.

It's the same Gor that was adapted into two films, one of which appeared on an episode of Mystery Science Theater 3000.


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  • (Score: 2, Insightful) by sorokin on Monday March 27 2017, @01:18PM (8 children)

    by sorokin (187) on Monday March 27 2017, @01:18PM (#484593)

    This is what I don't understand in western culture.

    In my opinion employees/colleagues should be judged based on their technical skills and merits. Their personal life shouldn't matter as far as it doesn't affect their work.

    For some reason in western culture people think it is O.K. to fire people based on their sexual preferences.

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  • (Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 27 2017, @02:02PM (3 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 27 2017, @02:02PM (#484606)

    I might have a hard time working with you if you support cutting up little boys' penises in order to please the creator of the universe.

    • (Score: 2) by takyon on Monday March 27 2017, @02:20PM (2 children)

      by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Monday March 27 2017, @02:20PM (#484615) Journal

      The real question is: are Mormons welcome at Drupal? They have some interesting attitudes towards women... "Gorean" attitudes?

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      • (Score: 2) by takyon on Monday March 27 2017, @02:25PM

        by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Monday March 27 2017, @02:25PM (#484618) Journal

        Side note: there appears to be 3.3 million Muslims [wikipedia.org] in the U.S., and maybe 6.5+ million Mormons [wikipedia.org] in the U.S. (with more Mormons living outside the U.S. than in).

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      • (Score: 2) by melikamp on Monday March 27 2017, @10:47PM

        by melikamp (1886) on Monday March 27 2017, @10:47PM (#484922) Journal
        Hehehe, they shouldn't be, right? Almost every major Jewish/Christian/Muslim denomination explicitly teaches that women are inferior to men in some ways, usually with respect to reproduction, leadership, and the freedom to decide what to do with their own bodies. I am not sure about the other two, but most Christians are actually required, as a matter of faith, to profess their values, eliminating the need for locating specific incidents. It would (and now likely will) require a lot of trumpery and mental gymnastics to explain why Christians are welcome to be Drupal developers, while Goreans are not.
  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by VLM on Monday March 27 2017, @03:28PM

    by VLM (445) on Monday March 27 2017, @03:28PM (#484649)

    This is what I don't understand in western culture.

    Presumably you're from outside it. That's cool.

    Something outsiders don't understand is in west we have a super strong tradition of exoteric fake meaning vs esoteric real meaning. From an exoteric perspective the Drupal project is about writing buggy security exploit filled web frontend code. From an esoteric perspective its a social club for a specific political/religious group.

    Also in the west there's this fair play thing where if you're open to the general public or for the general public, like, I donno, the public library, you're assumed to be very fair and non-discriminatory, but if you're a private group like a church or political party its assumed you're discriminatory and thats seen as OK.

    Lots of noise gets generated in the west by people fighting over the two categorizations above. Its just our weird way.

  • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 27 2017, @05:13PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 27 2017, @05:13PM (#484711)

    I think it's a combination of open source projects wanting to be inclusive, and the fools-gold attraction anything computer related now has, that has attracted the political types and the train of SJWs, virtue signalers and "women coders". Politicize processes, install a "code of conduct", perhaps push out the project's founders in the end.

  • (Score: 1) by khallow on Monday March 27 2017, @07:27PM (1 child)

    by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Monday March 27 2017, @07:27PM (#484812) Journal

    This is what I don't understand in western culture.

    In my opinion employees/colleagues should be judged based on their technical skills and merits. Their personal life shouldn't matter as far as it doesn't affect their work.

    For some reason in western culture people think it is O.K. to fire people based on their sexual preferences.

    What's with "western culture"? It's a near universal thing. Current western culture is unusual in establishing the opposite viewpoint, namely, that it isn't ok to fire people based on their sexual preferences.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 28 2017, @04:15PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 28 2017, @04:15PM (#485258)

      Sadly we seem to have no rules to govern voluntary organizations. I guess we can look forward to EULAs and other such disclaimers even when trying to join the local book club.