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posted by martyb on Saturday August 05 2017, @07:05PM   Printer-friendly
from the donning-my-asbestos-suit dept.

I don't know if this is appropriate for SoylentNews - I'll leave that to the editors. It's a blog entry that does the best job I've seen, explaining a difficult issue: How do those of us originally from flyover territory perceive the progressive politics that dominates the left coast, and indeed most of the big cities.

Anyone from a red county will read this article and nod. Anyone from a blue county really ought to try to understand the article, because it explains why Trump won, and also explains the rise of the alt-right as a response to progressive politics.

[Ed. note: The linked article is rather long. Contrary to long-standing tradition, I did RTFA. On occasion, stories are submitted where it is not clear to me whether or not our community would find it appropriate or interesting. This is one of those occasions. So, consider this an experiment... of course, please comment on the story itself, but please also indicate whether or not you would like to see more stories like this, and why. Thanks! --martyb]


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  • (Score: 2, Informative) by Arik on Saturday August 05 2017, @09:05PM (10 children)

    by Arik (4543) on Saturday August 05 2017, @09:05PM (#549223) Journal
    I grew up in the south, in the heart of the bible belt, and it's a lot more diverse than you imagine. My family was not part of the local church, never had been, and we were there before they were. We got along fine. My Aunt was actually a Unitarian and I assure you she was second-to-none at utilizing the old boy's network. Several kids I grew up with were raised heathen. In short you haven't a clue what you are talking about.
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  • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 05 2017, @09:22PM (2 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 05 2017, @09:22PM (#549231)

    I've dealt with both city and country and bigoted religious assholes looking down on or persecuting you for the 'wrong' faith or your lack of faith is quite common. Also treating you like a criminal because you don't believe in their God's word, which obviously means you can't be moral (even while some of their brethren are far more amoral while operating within the church's social network.)

    • (Score: 3, Informative) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday August 05 2017, @09:53PM

      by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Saturday August 05 2017, @09:53PM (#549246) Homepage Journal

      Have you tried not being an asshole to them about their beliefs? That's usually plenty for most anyone to get along just fine with you.

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    • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Sunday August 06 2017, @11:27AM

      by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Sunday August 06 2017, @11:27AM (#549454) Journal

      I don't suppose it matters a whole lot - but did you mean "amoral" or "immoral"? https://www.vocabulary.com/articles/chooseyourwords/amoral-immoral/ [vocabulary.com]

      I will note that an amoral person who is religious, will probably adopt his religion's morals, and never question whether they are truly his own morals. And, yes, you will find amoral people in church.

      Immoral people, however, are far more likely to be using the church as cover. They're the people who backstab their fellow man all week long, go in for drunken lechery on Saturday, then go to church on Sunday to cover it all up. "I'm a deacon in church, you can't accuse me of immorality!"

      And, oh yeah. That's why so many fringe loonies want to organize a "Christian" church that caters to their needs. The Gay Bay First Church of Fornication, or whatever the hell.

  • (Score: 2) by Whoever on Saturday August 05 2017, @10:52PM (6 children)

    by Whoever (4524) on Saturday August 05 2017, @10:52PM (#549266) Journal

    I grew up in the south, in the heart of the bible belt, and it's a lot more diverse than you imagine.

    Yeah, I am sure that there are all kinds of white Christians there. Or did you mean that there are also African-Americans?

    I've lived in the South. You have no idea what diversity means.

    • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday August 05 2017, @11:29PM (3 children)

      by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Saturday August 05 2017, @11:29PM (#549272) Homepage Journal

      You're either a liar or were raised in an upper-middle class neighborhood then. There is a fuuuuuuckload more diversity going on in the south than you'll ever see up north and even they shine like diversity beacons compared to out west.

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      • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 05 2017, @11:51PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 05 2017, @11:51PM (#549282)

        > more diversity going on in the south than you'll ever see up north

        I really doubt this. Exhibit A is NASCAR -- when I started consulting in Charlotte (mid-1980s) they were so bigoted that only white men were allowed in the pits. Women (I only saw white ones at the track) had to sit outside the fence in a special grandstand, and this was just on a private testing day (but same rules applied during race weekends). Every now and then there was a token black guy invited into the game.

        I did my best to be quiet and (hopefully) competent, and got along OK. But I could never live there.

        Exhibit B is the censored version of Huckleberry Finn from Auburn University, Montgomery Campus, Alabama,
            https://www.theguardian.com/books/2011/jan/05/huckleberry-finn-edition-censors-n-word [theguardian.com]
        Trying to cover up their history...?

      • (Score: 2) by Whoever on Sunday August 06 2017, @01:43AM

        by Whoever (4524) on Sunday August 06 2017, @01:43AM (#549329) Journal

        You have no clue.

        In my street of about 20 houses, there are people from at least 5 different countries.

        In Texas, diversity means being from a different county.

    • (Score: 0, Flamebait) by Arik on Sunday August 06 2017, @03:56AM (1 child)

      by Arik (4543) on Sunday August 06 2017, @03:56AM (#549370) Journal
      That was a really stupid thing to say. Yes, we had black people, and no, not everyone was Christian. Do you even read? Do you know what heathen means? Did you think that was a denomination of Lutheran? So what type of Christian are the Jews then? And my Hindu friend, well, I'm sure she'd be surprised to know that she was actually white (she was well to the dark side of average for India) and Christian.

      You sound like the kind of ignorant asshole who will be hated no matter where he goes though. If you're a lousy person AND you don't subscribe to the majority view as well that can help reduce the latency of your karma, in the south just like everywhere else.
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      If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
      • (Score: 1, Flamebait) by Whoever on Sunday August 06 2017, @04:21AM

        by Whoever (4524) on Sunday August 06 2017, @04:21AM (#549376) Journal

        Oh, wow: you have one Indian friend, so you must live in a diverse area.

        Here, I live and work amongst people from India, China, Hong King, Taiwan, Vietnam, Korea, Afghanistan, Mexico, Britain, France and countless other countries. And, yes, we have different varieties of Christians and Jews.

        It's completely laughable to think that anywhere in the South is remotely comparable in its diversity. You are the ignorant person.

        Look in the mirror when you want to find an ignorant asshole.