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AMD Radeon RX 500 series graphics cards, particularly the RX 580 and 570, have been out of stock for weeks now owing to the cryptocurrency mining craze. The market had shifted away from GPU mining a couple of years back after several China based companies launched specialized ASICs that were much faster and more power efficient at resolving the block chain equations necessary to mine Bitcoin and Litecoin, the Gold and Silver of cryptocurrencies.

However GPU mining has seen a massive resurgence over the past little while due to the rising popularity of ASIC resistent coins. Chief among which is Etherium which has seen its price more than triple in a matter of months. AMD's Add-In-Board partners have caught on to this and have already started directly advertising to miners.


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Shipments of GPUs are being slowed down or suspended in light of a slowdown in demand driven by cryptocurrency miners:

Taiwan-based graphics card makers including Gigabyte Technology, Micro-Star International (MSI) and TUL are expected to see their shipments for April plunge over 40% on month, as many clients have suspended taking shipments in response to drastic slowdown in demand for cryptocurrency mining machines, according to industry sources.

Channel distributors and larger mining farm operators have cut orders with makers of mining graphics cards and mining motherboards or asked them to suspend shipments due to the crypto mining craze waning abruptly from the beginning of April, the sources said.

Quite a few mining farm operators have even stopped purchasing graphic cards, as they are awaiting the rollout of Ethereum mining machines by China's Bitmain in the third quarter of 2018. They anticipate mining rewards to pick up gradually in the third quarter, as Bitcoin and Ethereum values may rebound following sharp declines seen in early 2018, the sources indicated.

Bitmain.

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Related: AMD Profits in Q3 2017


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AMD turned a profit last quarter:

2017 has been a great year for the tech enthusiast, with the return of meaningful competition in the PC space. Today, AMD announced their third quarter earnings, which beat expectations, and put the company's ledgers back in the black in their GAAP earnings. For the quarter, AMD had revenues of $1.64 billion, compared to $1.31 billion a year ago, which is a gain of just over 25%. Operating income was $126 million, compared to a $293 million loss a year ago, and net income was $71 million, compared to a net loss of $406 million a year ago. This resulted in earnings per share of $0.07, compared to a loss per share of $0.50 in Q3 2016.

[...] The Computing and Graphics segment has been a key to these numbers, with some impressive launches this year, especially on the CPU side. Revenue for this segment was up 74% to $819 million, and AMD attributes this to strong sales of both Radeon GPUs and Ryzen desktop processors. Average Selling Price (ASP) was also up significantly thanks to Ryzen sales. AMD is still undercutting Intel on price, but they don't have to almost give things away like they did the last couple of years. ASP of GPUs was also up significantly, and the proliferation of cryptocurrency likely played a large part in that. Operating income for the segment was an impressive $70 million, compared to an operating loss of $66 million last year.

When AMD turns a profit, it is news. Stocks still plunged on concerns over future growth. Citi Research has predicted big losses for AMD as Intel ships its Coffee Lake CPUs.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 06 2017, @12:39PM (4 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 06 2017, @12:39PM (#521278)

    More appropriately the nitrogen and carbon dioxide of crypto-"currencies".

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 06 2017, @06:01PM (3 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 06 2017, @06:01PM (#521469)

      ?

      at least explain it

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 06 2017, @06:05PM (2 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 06 2017, @06:05PM (#521472)

        Gold and silver are worth something intrinsically. Buttcoins are not, and are evidenced by the CO2 from wasted electricity in their generation.

        • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 06 2017, @09:02PM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 06 2017, @09:02PM (#521570)

          Something is either useful or its not.

          Clearly, at the moment, people find Bitcoin to be useful.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 06 2017, @09:06PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 06 2017, @09:06PM (#521572)

            Like tulip bulbs were, but in the end you could still eat those.

  • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 06 2017, @12:43PM (15 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 06 2017, @12:43PM (#521280)

    The idea is to prevent large, deep-pocketed organizations from being the only ones who can afford to providing mining services; that is, the idea is to prevent the centralization of mining.

    However, the deeper your pockets, the more GPUs you can buy—the supply of GPUs is exhausted probably because large organizations are buying them up in order to run their mining operations.

    Moreover, there is no such thing as "resistance" to ASICs; sure, the algorithm used by Ethereum means that the dedicated ASIC hardware is more expensive to make than similar hardware for Bitcoin, but guess what? That just means that only the large, deep-pocketed organizations will be able to afford such hardware—and such hardware is generally orders of magnitude more performant than GPU-based systems.

    There's my 2 satoshis on the matter. (Don't know what that means? Time to start reading!)

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 06 2017, @01:08PM (8 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 06 2017, @01:08PM (#521297)

      I still think the whole idea of making computers work in order to "make value" is stupid and wasteful.
      you want safe and secure transactions? go work for a bank and fix their stupid systems, and the job is done.
      the electricity wasted on these "currencies" would have been so much more useful if it had been used for BOINC or some similar distributed computing thing...

      • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 06 2017, @01:40PM (4 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 06 2017, @01:40PM (#521313)

        The computers are making value because they are doing the work necessary to secure these payment networks; that is valuable.

        Put another way: Before Bitcoin, there was no way that you could have run a 100-million-dollar drug market through a website. Clearly, Bitcoin provides some kind of value that your traditional banks cannot provide.

        In short, it doesn't matter whether you personally think it's worthwhile; clearly, a whole bunch of people do think it's worthwhile, and you can either participate profitably in their activities, or you can sit on the side line and become increasingly agitated with their success.

        • (Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 06 2017, @01:51PM (2 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 06 2017, @01:51PM (#521319)

          Put another way: Before Bitcoin, there was no way that you could have run a 100-million-dollar drug market through a website.

          I beg to differ : https://www.cia.gov/careers/opportunities [cia.gov]

          • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 06 2017, @01:57PM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 06 2017, @01:57PM (#521320)

            Put another way: Before Bitcoin, there was no way that some 20-something, starry-eyed man-child could have even set up a 100-million-dollar illegal-drug market through normal, consumer-grade website infrastructure.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 06 2017, @06:14PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 06 2017, @06:14PM (#521477)

              That's true. He'd have to start his own implementation of MySpace at an ivy league school instead.

        • (Score: 1) by butthurt on Wednesday June 07 2017, @05:35PM

          by butthurt (6141) on Wednesday June 07 2017, @05:35PM (#522087) Journal

          Another option is to participate unprofitably.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 06 2017, @02:56PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 06 2017, @02:56PM (#521344)

        crypto currencies and block chain are being used for research, etc. there are coins for that. why are you running your mouth when you can't even be bothered to look through coinmarketcap to see what people are doing with these coins?

        • (Score: 2) by mhajicek on Wednesday June 07 2017, @04:51AM

          by mhajicek (51) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday June 07 2017, @04:51AM (#521764)

          Since I was running Folding @ Home anyway I decided to try Curecoin. It looks decent so far, getting a small payout for something I was doing for free anyway.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 06 2017, @03:14PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 06 2017, @03:14PM (#521354)

        go work for a bank and fix their systems? are you trolling? they're lucky they aren't being bombed and shot! fuck the banks and their systems of usury!

    • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Tuesday June 06 2017, @01:39PM (1 child)

      by FatPhil (863) <pc-soylentNO@SPAMasdf.fi> on Tuesday June 06 2017, @01:39PM (#521312) Homepage
      Exactly. The argument which says that ASIC-resistance is a good idea is indistinguishable from the argument which says that GPU-resistance is a good idea. Except Mr. Ponzi has a nice little rack of GPU-laden machines, and doesn't want the latter argument to be heard.
      --
      Life is a precious commodity. A wise investor would get rid of it when it has the highest value.
      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 06 2017, @04:56PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 06 2017, @04:56PM (#521427)

        if it buys time until better ways are developed then it's good enough for me. i'm profitably mining because asics resistant coins exist and it's important to me financially.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 06 2017, @05:01PM (2 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 06 2017, @05:01PM (#521429)

      the point is that an asics machine costs thousands and once a coin can be mined with an asics it pushes out the smaller miners. what is so hard to understand about that. yes, with gpus big players can still buy cards but so can the poor bastard with only $250 to spend. with an asics resistant coin, that person can still mine $50 a month with one card until they can buy more cards. if they got a motherboard that can support many cards they can build it out over time until they are making a decent amount of money. with an asics friendly coin they just can't mine that coin at all. and if all coins were asics minable then they can't mine at all. it's really that simple.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 06 2017, @05:23PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 06 2017, @05:23PM (#521446)

        actually, right now mine are doing like $125 each card a month after the elec bill. $50 was from initial estimates but the price of the coin has gone up a lot since then.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 06 2017, @05:28PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 06 2017, @05:28PM (#521451)

        Processing power will accumulate around the most successful operations. Decentralization will never result from the fact that Joe Miner can afford to run mining hardware, but rather from the fact that geopolitical considerations will always result in multiple successful operations dotting the planet.

        Decentralization results from mutually hateful world powers having to compete with each other.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 06 2017, @11:00PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 06 2017, @11:00PM (#521639)

      Moreover, there is no such thing as "resistance" to ASICs; sure, the algorithm used by Ethereum means that the dedicated ASIC hardware is more expensive to make than similar hardware for Bitcoin, but guess what? That just means that only the large, deep-pocketed organizations will be able to afford such hardware—and such hardware is generally orders of magnitude more performant than GPU-based systems.

      Well, not exactly. It is not necessarily the case that you can throw money at an ASIC designer to get something that gives orders of magnitude more performance than, say, an off-the-shelf programmable component. Getting good performance with an ASIC requires good utilization of the physical resources on your chip, but also you need to keep your signal paths short otherwise you can't run it very fast. This normally means pipelining and not all problems are amenable to this.

      Depending on the problem your super-optimized custom ASIC might just end up looking a lot like a bunch of microcontrollers thrown on a chip with some memory attached. Which starts to look a lot like a GPU. At which point you will probably lose to the guy who decided not to spend any money on ASIC development and instead used that money to buy more off-the-shelf GPUs.

  • (Score: 2) by PiMuNu on Tuesday June 06 2017, @02:21PM (1 child)

    by PiMuNu (3823) on Tuesday June 06 2017, @02:21PM (#521330)

    Directly advertising to miners! OMG won't someone think of the children!!!

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 06 2017, @03:12PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 06 2017, @03:12PM (#521353)

    These manufacturers are some dumb ass bastards. So sick of all of them(not just gpu manus). How many years does it take you to learn where your cards are going? Here it is 2017 and there are no cards sold for mining, and the gamer (maxXtreme4!!!!) cards are sold out everywhere. do these idiots sell cards or what? The cards could come with presets for different coins that could be easily set from the uefi (you know, that beautiful, useless pos that was supposed to be so wonderful?) or cli. I shouldn't be expected to run windows or some windows bloatware just to set the voltages, timings, etc. for the card i bought for mining on linux.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 06 2017, @04:52PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 06 2017, @04:52PM (#521422)

    do you not understand that when you are the underdog you are supposed to look for any areas where you are competitive or could be and maximize that opportunity? because your upper management is so incompetent, people are buying nvidia cards for both mining and gaming because graphics cards manufacturers can't get chips from you so there aren't any cards at all. I won't buy nvidia so i just won't buy. also, you had a well liked card for mining that is just so so for gaming. you could have just done a special release of chips needed for rx480 aimed at miners and ready your production lines for more if they sold. problem solved!!! gamers could get the newer hotter running cards and miners could get a somewhat efficient card until you could get your morons in design/marketing/whoever to make proper cards and utilities for miners. instead you do what? sit there like idiots until you run out of stock nationwide/worldwide? way to go AMD!! fire whoever let this happen and hire people who are hungrier. pitiful.

  • (Score: 2) by ngarrang on Tuesday June 06 2017, @04:53PM (2 children)

    by ngarrang (896) on Tuesday June 06 2017, @04:53PM (#521423) Journal

    I feel so sorry for them, having sold out their ENTIRE MANUFACTURED STOCK of GPUs. What a horrible position to be in, zero inventory, and 100% sold out.

    Wait...isn't that the goal for every company?

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 06 2017, @05:31PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 06 2017, @05:31PM (#521454)

      It means you're missing out on sales.

    • (Score: 2) by gman003 on Tuesday June 06 2017, @10:41PM

      by gman003 (4155) on Tuesday June 06 2017, @10:41PM (#521631)

      "Sold out" isn't just a boolean - it's a float. You can be "more" sold out than another sold-out product. You want to have produced exactly enough to fulfill demand (or at least, demand at the price point that brings you the most profit). For ever person that would buy one, but can't, they're leaving money on the table. Jacking the price up only helps so much - it lets you extract as much profit as you can out of your supply, but you could still profit more if you had a larger supply.

  • (Score: 2, Redundant) by caffeine on Wednesday June 07 2017, @07:46AM

    by caffeine (249) on Wednesday June 07 2017, @07:46AM (#521799)

    Imagine if all the effort put into mining bitcoins was used for folding@home or any number of useful endeavours.

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