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posted by martyb on Thursday October 05 2017, @01:45PM   Printer-friendly
from the depends-on-what-you-are-cooking-up dept.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-10-03/fda-declares-there-s-no-love-in-granola-warns-bakery-company

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration on Tuesday released a warning letter to Nashoba Brook Bakery, reprimanding the West Concord, Massachusetts-based baker and wholesaler about the ingredients it lists in its granola.

One, in particular.

"Your Nashoba Granola label lists ingredient 'Love,'" the agency wrote in the Sept. 22 letter. "'Love' is not a common or usual name of an ingredient, and is considered to be intervening material because it is not part of the common or usual name of the ingredient."

Nashoba Chief Executive Officer John Gates said the FDA's take on love as an ingredient "just felt so George Orwell."

Ars Technica additionally reports that was not all that the FDA found:

During a recent bakery inspection, FDA agents discovered: dirt and filth caked onto ceiling vents and sprinklers directly above ready-to-eat foods; parts of the floor and ceiling that were missing for some reason; equipment, including bowls and cooling racks, that wasn't cleaned or maintained; and counters, shelves, and food production surfaces that were coated with an unknown residue.

Insects also proved worrisome. At one point, an FDA inspector noticed a one-inch-long, unidentified crawling insect directly underneath a batch of pastries. Last, the FDA reported that employees weren't following proper hygiene practices. One baker repeatedly dipped a blue bracelet into raw dough while mixing it.

For your reading pleasure, here is the warning letter.


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The FDA is proposing a new, risk-based enforcement approach to homeopathic drug products (alternative medicine):

To protect consumers who choose to use homeopathic products, this proposed new approach would update the FDA's existing policy to better address situations where homeopathic treatments are being marketed for serious diseases and/or conditions but where the products have not been shown to offer clinical benefits. It also covers situations where products labeled as homeopathic contain potentially harmful ingredients or do not meet current good manufacturing practices.

Under the law, homeopathic drug products are subject to the same requirements related to approval, adulteration and misbranding as any other drug product. However, prescription and nonprescription drug products labeled as homeopathic have been manufactured and distributed without FDA approval under the agency's enforcement policies since 1988.

"In recent years, we've seen a large uptick in products labeled as homeopathic that are being marketed for a wide array of diseases and conditions, from the common cold to cancer. In many cases, people may be placing their trust and money in therapies that may bring little to no benefit in combating serious ailments, or worse – that may cause significant and even irreparable harm because the products are poorly manufactured, or contain active ingredients that aren't adequately tested or disclosed to patients," said FDA Commissioner Scott Gottlieb, M.D. "Our approach to regulating homeopathic drugs must evolve to reflect the current complexity of the market, by taking a more risk-based approach to enforcement. We respect that some individuals want to use alternative treatments, but the FDA has a responsibility to protect the public from products that may not deliver any benefit and have the potential to cause harm."

FDA draft guidance (8 pages).

Also at Ars Technica and STAT News.

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  • (Score: 5, Funny) by fyngyrz on Thursday October 05 2017, @01:52PM (3 children)

    by fyngyrz (6567) on Thursday October 05 2017, @01:52PM (#577436) Journal

    At one point, an FDA inspector noticed a one-inch-long, unidentified crawling insect directly underneath a batch of pastries.

    They should have enquired further. They named that little fella "the love bug."

    • (Score: 4, Insightful) by NewNic on Thursday October 05 2017, @05:25PM (2 children)

      by NewNic (6420) on Thursday October 05 2017, @05:25PM (#577532) Journal

      After all, TMB hates government getting involved in anything, so government pointing out that the place is filthy and the food probably contaminated is bad, right?

      --
      lib·er·tar·i·an·ism ˌlibərˈterēənizəm/ noun: Magical thinking that useful idiots mistake for serious political theory
      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 06 2017, @12:01AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 06 2017, @12:01AM (#577705)

        I don't care about big or small government, which is not strictly correlated to the amount of control you retain over your life as a private citizen.
        But I don't get your comment, as it implies you need a federal entity to check bugs in kitchens. Could it be done at smaller scale without experiencing too much corruption?

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 06 2017, @12:22AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 06 2017, @12:22AM (#577721)

        TMB hates government getting involved

        As filthy as the place was, I'm guessing there was some flour dust about.
        Dust in the air has a nasty habit of causing explosions, so they had dodged the bullet there.
        ...unlike other manufacturing sites that, due to Libertarians|Reactionaries|Neoliberals cutting funding for workplace inspectors, hadn't been inspected since 1985. [wikipedia.org]

        -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]

  • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Thursday October 05 2017, @01:54PM

    by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Thursday October 05 2017, @01:54PM (#577437) Journal

    You might remember from Futurama that Mom's Robot Oil is made with 10% more Love.

    So why can't bakery pastries be made with Love?

    As for the insects, just add some language about, " . . . and other natural ingredients".

    That way you don't even have to make an effort to identify these one inch long unidentified insects underneath the pastries.

    --
    Scissors come in consumer packaging that cannot be opened without scissors.
  • (Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 05 2017, @02:10PM (3 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 05 2017, @02:10PM (#577447)

    ite, i'm outta here.

    • (Score: 4, Informative) by LoRdTAW on Thursday October 05 2017, @05:50PM (2 children)

      by LoRdTAW (3755) on Thursday October 05 2017, @05:50PM (#577545) Journal

      Don't joke: http://cookingwithcum.com/ [cookingwithcum.com]

      • (Score: 2) by Gaaark on Thursday October 05 2017, @08:57PM (1 child)

        by Gaaark (41) Subscriber Badge on Thursday October 05 2017, @08:57PM (#577631) Journal

        Would have modded you +1Gross, but...

        Brings a whole new meaning to "Cum and get it!"

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        • (Score: 2) by MostCynical on Thursday October 05 2017, @09:16PM

          by MostCynical (2589) on Thursday October 05 2017, @09:16PM (#577638) Journal

          Self-saucing pudding?

          "sauce your own pudding"?

          Machiatto when you've run out of milk?

          --
          "I guess once you start doubting, there's no end to it." -Batou, Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex
  • (Score: 2) by acid andy on Thursday October 05 2017, @02:19PM (2 children)

    by acid andy (1683) on Thursday October 05 2017, @02:19PM (#577450) Homepage Journal

    During a recent bakery inspection, FDA agents discovered: dirt and filth caked onto ceiling vents and sprinklers directly above ready-to-eat foods

    That's outrageous! We've already established that "filth" is a subjective and relative term [soylentnews.org]. This three letter agency should be ashamed of themselves!

    Err.. I mean, err.... I'll get me coat.

    --
    Master of the science of the art of the science of art.
    • (Score: 1, Troll) by crafoo on Thursday October 05 2017, @05:33PM (1 child)

      by crafoo (6639) on Thursday October 05 2017, @05:33PM (#577536)

      All of those people claiming filth is subjective should have to eat exclusively from "pet friendly" restaurants, bakeries, and food suppliers. Employees can bring their pets to work every day and let them shit, piss, and shed all over the floors. Regular cleanings are fine of course. Super clean. Enjoy "inside pet" apologists! Your houses aren't disgusting, I'm sure!

      Back to main topic: their attempt to subvert the use of the ingredients label is perverse and damaging. If they don't respect the utility of this ingredients list to the general public they should be made to understand.

      • (Score: 2) by Gaaark on Thursday October 05 2017, @09:03PM

        by Gaaark (41) Subscriber Badge on Thursday October 05 2017, @09:03PM (#577632) Journal

        I can't believe there are 'cat cafes':
        https://www.southpawcatcafe.com [southpawcatcafe.com]

        Eat and drink with all the pussy you want!
        Errrm, no thanks.

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  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Taibhsear on Thursday October 05 2017, @03:17PM (9 children)

    by Taibhsear (1464) on Thursday October 05 2017, @03:17PM (#577464)

    I know it sounds ridiculous on the suface but when you have douchebag companies lobbying and getting regulations changed so that they can do things like calling an ingredient by a different name to avoid boycotts (High fructose corn syrup, for example) you have to take precautions. That way they don't start off with "made with love" as a tongue in cheek marketing phrase and end up with them further down the line calling a potentially harmful ingredient "love" as a loophole around regulations or the public eye.

    • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 05 2017, @03:35PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 05 2017, @03:35PM (#577473)

      Made with 50 micrograms of love 😉❤

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 06 2017, @12:16AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 06 2017, @12:16AM (#577714)

        These guys took it the other direction 5 decades ago.

        Vintage TV Commercial for Welch's Jelly and Jam [youtube.com]

        This vintage TV commercial is from the late 1960s and is for Welch's jellies and jams. The advertisement shows us a mother in earlier times shopping at the market for the freshest fruit to make her own jellies and jams, then compares that to Welch's methods.

        "We couldn't match a mother's love," the ad says, "so we added extra flavor."

        -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]

    • (Score: 2) by mhajicek on Thursday October 05 2017, @03:53PM

      by mhajicek (51) Subscriber Badge on Thursday October 05 2017, @03:53PM (#577482)

      The android will be disappointed. "The secretary ingredient is basil. And love. But mostly basil."

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      The spacelike surfaces of time foliations can have a cusp at the surface of discontinuity. - P. Hajicek
    • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 05 2017, @05:03PM (4 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 05 2017, @05:03PM (#577522)

      Entirely agreed. There is advertising feel-good fluff, and there is technical information. If they put "love" in the official label, then it necessarily must be taken both seriously and literally, as people can and should rely on the truth and accuracy of the ingredient list.

      Your example of putting in harmful ingredients under the moniker of "love" is a great example. Another would be the damning-by-false-implication effect, as illustrated at: https://www.xkcd.com/641/ [xkcd.com]

      There is a time and place for cute and funny things, and government mandated and enforced technical documentation is not one of them.

      As a side note, I expect that if the bakery had passed everything else with flying-colors, then the FDA wouldn't have bothered. I expect this was one of those "so long as we are sending them a note anyway, we should mention this as well."

      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by bob_super on Thursday October 05 2017, @05:14PM (3 children)

        by bob_super (1357) on Thursday October 05 2017, @05:14PM (#577527)

        > government mandated and enforced technical documentation is not one of them

        Where's our friendly neighborhood Violently Imposed Monopoly troll lurking, when we properly need to denounce the inability to formally list love as an ingredient?

        • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday October 05 2017, @07:16PM (1 child)

          by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Thursday October 05 2017, @07:16PM (#577583) Journal

          He died after eating a tainted batch of sausage. Karma's a beeeee-yitch.

          --
          I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 05 2017, @10:25PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 05 2017, @10:25PM (#577669)

            No TMB is just taking a break since last being outed for his AC behavior.

        • (Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Thursday October 05 2017, @09:28PM

          by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Thursday October 05 2017, @09:28PM (#577646)

          I came to the comments especially to find out how the neighbourhood libertarians were going to explain how food hygiene rules violate businesses' freedoms, and how the market will correct these sorts of problems without onerous rules.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 06 2017, @08:14AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 06 2017, @08:14AM (#577880)

      Here's the truth: Love is a measurable and the corporate hucksters aren't even putting it in when they say they are.

      Tell some rice you love it, ignore some rice, and tell some you hate it. The loved rice stay fresh longer.
      Lot's of people [youtube.com]
      Have repeated the experiment [youtube.com]
      It's strange, but you really can measure love. [youtube.com]

      You should do the experiment yourself before you call BS. Seriously. I know it sounds strange and set out to debunk the experiment. I did it 4 times, with similar results each time. It's not hard.

      There really is more to this world than academia knows, and some things are demonstrably actively censored from science -- such as Plasma Cosmology or when Social Justice Fanatics censor "sex differences" papers from medical journals. [youtube.com] Everyone knows that history is a lie agreed upon, but even modern archeology is heavily censored. [youtube.com] I say this to point out that there are some things you can't trust Academia to tell you, and you have to do the experiment yourself to know the truth.

      After my first two attempts I thought that perhaps I had just been unlucky and got mold in the jars I "hated". So, I was careful not to get mold spores in the next two sets of jars, by using a sterilization technique for growing mushrooms in strata (which are sensitive to mold), and carried out the experiment in a dark temperature controlled environment. In those experiments mold did not grow, but fermentation eventually began and happened slowest in the "loved" containers. Now I wonder what the result would be if I told the yeast that I loved it with the intent that rice-wine be made with love?

      TL;DR: Seriously, Love can be an ingredient. FDA (gov in general) don't want you to know the power we all have, but they are correct in condemning soulless factories for using "made with love".

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 05 2017, @03:54PM (3 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 05 2017, @03:54PM (#577483)

    "Love, the kind you clean up with a mop and bucket

    • (Score: 2) by Gaaark on Thursday October 05 2017, @09:09PM (2 children)

      by Gaaark (41) Subscriber Badge on Thursday October 05 2017, @09:09PM (#577635) Journal

      Nah, just use Kleenex!

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 06 2017, @01:13AM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 06 2017, @01:13AM (#577739)

        The Authority-on-everything-in-Chief says paper towels. [google.com]

        -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]

        • (Score: 2) by Gaaark on Friday October 06 2017, @02:19AM

          by Gaaark (41) Subscriber Badge on Friday October 06 2017, @02:19AM (#577760) Journal

          Well I hear Billy C. says use a blue dress!
          ;)

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 05 2017, @04:30PM (5 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 05 2017, @04:30PM (#577501)

    The Beatles told us that love is all you need, and now we learn it isn't even an ingredient, let alone the only one. Damn liars.

    • (Score: 3, Funny) by bob_super on Thursday October 05 2017, @05:10PM (4 children)

      by bob_super (1357) on Thursday October 05 2017, @05:10PM (#577525)

      They initially wrote "all you need is bugs", but legitimately worried it wouldn't be a smash hit.
      "All you need is Crabs" was also rejected, even if making the music video on a Pacific Island was tempting, and "All you need is Weed" never reached the last stanza.

      • (Score: 3, Funny) by Osamabobama on Thursday October 05 2017, @07:35PM (3 children)

        by Osamabobama (5842) on Thursday October 05 2017, @07:35PM (#577597)

        All I need is this lamp. And that table.
        All I need is this lamp and that table.
        Oh, and this rug. So, all I need is this lamp and table and that rug and . . .

        --
        Appended to the end of comments you post. Max: 120 chars.
        • (Score: 2) by Gaaark on Thursday October 05 2017, @09:15PM (2 children)

          by Gaaark (41) Subscriber Badge on Thursday October 05 2017, @09:15PM (#577637) Journal

          Misquoted, but great movie! :)

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          • (Score: 2) by Osamabobama on Friday October 06 2017, @08:18PM (1 child)

            by Osamabobama (5842) on Friday October 06 2017, @08:18PM (#578309)

            I wanted to get the quote without consulting audio, as I'm in an office without my headphones, so I cut and pasted the first believable text I found. I'll add the movie to my Netflix queue (or whatever the kids are calling it now) to refresh my firsthand knowledge.

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            • (Score: 2) by Gaaark on Friday October 06 2017, @11:10PM

              by Gaaark (41) Subscriber Badge on Friday October 06 2017, @11:10PM (#578381) Journal

              No prob: i'm old enough that my memory SUCKS!!! and i have to copy and paste everything.

              Getting old sucks tm

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  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by edIII on Thursday October 05 2017, @04:46PM

    by edIII (791) on Thursday October 05 2017, @04:46PM (#577513)

    Nashoba Chief Executive Officer John Gates said the FDA's take on love as an ingredient "just felt so George Orwell."

    Yeah, but how about you concentrate about your dirty ass facilities, employees with worn objects repeatedly dipped in batter (that you know are on their wrists in the bathroom too), and large fucking insects everywhere.

    Maybe the biggest part of the story isn't the big bad government saying you can't use the word love.

    --
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  • (Score: 2) by Hartree on Thursday October 05 2017, @04:51PM

    by Hartree (195) on Thursday October 05 2017, @04:51PM (#577515)

    If the bakery can list "Love" as an ingredient, can't Chevron list "Green Good Intentions" as an ingredient in their petroleum products?

  • (Score: 5, Informative) by requerdanos on Thursday October 05 2017, @05:00PM

    by requerdanos (5997) Subscriber Badge on Thursday October 05 2017, @05:00PM (#577521) Journal

    There seems to be some confusion resulting from a Bloomberg false & clickbait headline:

    False:

    TFHeadline: FDA: Love is Not an Ingredient

    False:

    TFURLSlug: fda-declares-there-s-no-love-in-granola-warns-bakery-company

    False:

    Bloomberg TFA Headline: FDA Warns Bakery Company ‘Love’ Is Not an Ingredient in Granola

    Based on false premise:

    DannyB: So why can't bakery pastries be made with Love?

    Mixture (Beatles True; not an ingredient False):

    AC: The Beatles told us that love is all you need, and now we learn it isn't even an ingredient

    What is alleged here is that the FDA said that love is not an ingredient. That is completely false.

    The FDA did not deny, nor even question or challenge the idea that Love was an ingredient in the granola. They merely point out that if Love is a physical ingredient, included in the food, then it is being listed in the ingredients in a confusing or misleading way.

    Specifically, "'Love' is not a common or usual name of an ingredient" according to the Combined Federal Regulations that govern what can be listed among ingredients, and how.

    This is not a statement about the contents of granola, but rather the content of a specific law describing how you can list ingredients. Editorial comments can't go in the list of approved nouns; thus even if the product is 99.999% intangible but wholesome love, the tiny area of the label listing physical ingredients isn't the place to list it, and the entire rest of the label would be a great place to put it, by federal law. As a Bakery, Nashoba Brook's knowledge area is what to put in granola, and as a federal agency, the FDA are the ones with the knowledge area of Federal law.

    I interpolate from the letter--which was mostly about how nasty the bakery and its practices seemed to be to the inspectors--that should the bakery choose to specify how the love was applied to the ingredients in any area of the label other than nutrition facts, then there is no prohibition listed. Unlike "Whole Grain" or "Fat Free," there are no specific Federal guidelines for describing how you include Love in your product. There just *is* a guideline on specifically what can go in the ingredients area of nutrition facts, that being physical items described in a particular way.

    In short: It was the *way* that they listed the Love that caused the problem, not a blind denial that a product could contain Love.

  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by istartedi on Thursday October 05 2017, @05:35PM (2 children)

    by istartedi (123) on Thursday October 05 2017, @05:35PM (#577539) Journal

    The way the letter expressed it may have been a bit clumsy. It's stupid booracrat language; but it's not censorship or oppression. The ingredient list is serious business. Consumers expect it to be accurate. If you let one company start mucking around with that, next thing you know it'll be full of cuteness, magic, etc. and it will just be an annoying thing to read instead of what it's supposed to be: a standardized list of ingredients.

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by bob_super on Thursday October 05 2017, @08:28PM (1 child)

      by bob_super (1357) on Thursday October 05 2017, @08:28PM (#577618)

      > next thing you know it'll be full of cuteness, magic, etc. and it will just be an annoying thing to read

      It's already a pain to read. But at least you can.
      Let "love" slide, and before you know it you'll have a page of marketing bullshit fuzzy words used to conceal the arsenic, lead and depleted uranium they put in there to save five cents.

      • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 06 2017, @06:13AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 06 2017, @06:13AM (#577841)

        Depleted uranium has been heavily processed. It's unhealthy. Natural uranium is much better.

  • (Score: 5, Informative) by EvilSS on Thursday October 05 2017, @06:03PM

    by EvilSS (1456) Subscriber Badge on Thursday October 05 2017, @06:03PM (#577551)
    So the FDA responded to all the hubbub about the "love" ingredient pointing out that yes, they told them to stop it but it's a minor part of the compliance letter and they are more concerned with the overall unsanitary conditions they found

    “This is an example of a company whose actions — or lack of actions — put their customers’ health at unnecessary risk,” an FDA spokesperson said in a statement to Consumerist. “The information about ‘love’ as a listed ingredient was included, but is not among the agency’s top concerns, and focusing only on that particular violation detracts from the multitude of serious violations reflected in this letter.”

    The FDA says it expects the company to “correct the serious violations found on FDA’s inspection, as noted in the warning letter.”

    https://consumerist.com/2017/10/04/fda-tells-bakery-love-is-not-an-actual-ingredient-in-your-granola/ [consumerist.com]

    Honestly if I were the bakery I'd kept my mouth shut and fixed it. This is just bringing more attention to the rest of the violations.

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