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posted by martyb on Thursday October 10 2019, @10:38PM   Printer-friendly
from the drone-vs-drone...-for-now dept.

Tech's Most Controversial Startup Now Makes Drone-Killing Robots:

Jason Levin stood on a craggy hill on a Southern California ranch in late July and prepared to destroy a drone. First he grabbed the controls for an Up Air One, a remote control hobbyist model that retails for about $300, and steered it until it was hovering about 100 feet above the ground. Next he used a laptop to activate a system he'd spent the past several months building.

A second drone roughly the size of the Up Air quadcopter spun into action, buzzing like a mechanical wasp as it ascended to about 20 feet below its target. As it hovered, a crowd of Levin's colleagues gathered around. A prompt appeared on-screen asking for permission to attack. Levin tapped a button, and the second drone, dubbed the Interceptor, shot upward, striking the Up Air One at 100 mph. The two aircraft somersaulted skyward briefly, then they plummeted back to earth and landed with two satisfying thuds. Levin grinned and explained that he hadn't been controlling the Interceptor after telling it to attack—it finds targets and steers toward them on its own. If the first collision doesn't take its quarry down, the drone can circle back and strike a second and third time, all by itself. "It's a good feeling as an engineer," he said. "You've put in the work, and it knows what to do. It's like sending your kid off to college."

[...] He [Palmer Luckey], Levin, and a handful of colleagues came up with the idea of the Interceptor while hanging around the office one weekend earlier this year. The idea was to equip small drones with computer vision software that would scan a slice of airspace that needed protecting, then automatically ram any objects deemed hostile. They built a rough prototype that could knock down its target some of the time, then shot a smartphone video of a successful attempt and passed it to their contacts at the Pentagon.

[...] The prospect of a 2-year-old startup building and distributing a new class of potentially lethal weapons will undoubtedly raise ethical questions, especially amid a larger backlash against overreach by tech companies. The Interceptor in its current form doesn't target humans and requires explicit permission from a human operator before each attack, but it's conceivable that those controls could be changed in the future. "You've already developed this technology, opened the so-called Pandora's box," argues Marta Kosmyna of the Campaign to Stop Killer Robots, a group opposed to autonomous weaponry. Technologies such as the Interceptor are "very rarely used as intended," she says.

Bloomberg posted a 5m41s YouTube video with background information on Anduril (the company selling the attack drone), Palmer Luckey (of Oculus Rift fame) as well as a couple short demos of attack drones in action.


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  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Joe Desertrat on Thursday October 10 2019, @10:46PM

    by Joe Desertrat (2454) on Thursday October 10 2019, @10:46PM (#905443)

    Hunting with drones, the modern day falconry. You can bring in a mixed bag, other drones, birds, weather balloons, etc. Design the attack drone so that it compacts into a ball (and/or maybe fires out a net) just before impact so the attack drone stands a better chance of being reusable.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 10 2019, @10:49PM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 10 2019, @10:49PM (#905445)

    And come around for multiple passes until sucessful?

    What could possibly go wrong?

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 11 2019, @01:15AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 11 2019, @01:15AM (#905502)

      Just wait until one of these attacks another similar kamakaze...

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 10 2019, @11:14PM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 10 2019, @11:14PM (#905454)

    What next, automated suicide bombing drones?

    • (Score: 2, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 11 2019, @11:18AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 11 2019, @11:18AM (#905665)
      We've had "kamikaze drones" for a long time, since at least 1944, if not earlier. The more common term for them is "cruise missile".
  • (Score: 2) by jasassin on Thursday October 10 2019, @11:31PM (3 children)

    by jasassin (3566) <jasassin@gmail.com> on Thursday October 10 2019, @11:31PM (#905459) Homepage Journal

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MBBC-xL_MTg [youtube.com]

    Drones with guns.

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    • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Friday October 11 2019, @01:11AM (2 children)

      by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Friday October 11 2019, @01:11AM (#905500) Journal

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sVElxRKQ0E [youtube.com] - with a machine gun and self-destruct

      Or autonomous killer microdrones https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DK6IGG5zRU8 [youtube.com]

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      • (Score: 2) by jasassin on Friday October 11 2019, @02:05AM

        by jasassin (3566) <jasassin@gmail.com> on Friday October 11 2019, @02:05AM (#905538) Homepage Journal

        with a machine gun and self-destruct

        Holy shit! Wow. Charlene is scary.

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      • (Score: 3, Funny) by edIII on Friday October 11 2019, @03:15AM

        by edIII (791) on Friday October 11 2019, @03:15AM (#905571)

        For just a little bit, I thought the autonomous killer microdrones were true. I was just looking over SBCs to turn into a router, and found a large amount of options with neural processors in AI kits. So it didn't seem completely unreasonable.

        Not going to lie. A may have peed a little.

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  • (Score: 2) by takyon on Thursday October 10 2019, @11:55PM

    by takyon (881) <reversethis-{gro ... s} {ta} {noykat}> on Thursday October 10 2019, @11:55PM (#905465) Journal

    Anduril presents itself as immune to such angst. Its founder, Palmer Luckey, is one of Silicon Valley’s most famous Trump partisans. The 27-year-old has gleefully trolled the Valley’s liberals since he left Facebook Inc. in 2017 under controversial circumstances. Founders Fund, one of Anduril’s first big investors, was started by another Trump stalwart, Peter Thiel. Trae Stephens, Anduril’s chairman, is also a Founders Fund partner and took part in Trump’s transition team. The company recently began working on Maven, the project Google dropped.

    Executives at Anduril say they’re less interested in serving any particular president than in fulfilling the Pentagon’s enduring need for reliable technology. Some companies, Stephens says, have complicated things for themselves by concealing or downplaying their defense work, leaving employees who are uncomfortable with such projects to feel, justifiably, that they’ve been lied to. “They said, ‘We didn’t sign up to develop weapons,’ ” Stephens says. “That’s literally the opposite of Anduril. We will tell candidates when they walk in the door, ‘You are signing up to build weapons.’ ”

    [...] Critics described Anduril as either a technological manifestation of Trumpism, an amoral profiteer, or both. Luckey saw the outrage as useful. “We were telling people that border security is not going to be the last time there’s a controversy around something we’re working on,” he says. Not all Anduril employees are pleased. Grimm, who describes himself as an “Obama fanboy” and the most liberal member of the founding team, grimaces when the subject comes up. “The goal was not to set out and say, ‘We’re the border security company,’  ” he says. “It was actually quite frustrating for us through the first year and a half, because of course that was the narrative.” Anduril executives are quick to point out that many Democrats have supported electronic border surveillance as a more humane alternative to a physical border wall.

    I know there's at least one AC here who would love to work for this company.

    Also, there better be VR controllers for killer drones if Luckey is there.

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  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by aristarchus on Friday October 11 2019, @12:12AM (4 children)

    by aristarchus (2645) on Friday October 11 2019, @12:12AM (#905471) Journal

    0-100mph, in 20 feet? By a prop-driven craft? Vertically? Fake engineering!!

    • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 11 2019, @01:37AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 11 2019, @01:37AM (#905515)

      Maybe they are discussing the prop tip speed?

      If I did it right, https://www.calculatorsoup.com/calculators/physics/displacement_v_a_t.php [calculatorsoup.com] suggests:
      2163 ft/sec^2 or 67g Not impossible, but very high acceleration, requires thrust 67 (or 68?) times the weight of the drone.

      A former co-worker was a rocket scientist who worked on an anti-missile-missile that went up and turned to chase the target, it turned at 100g.

    • (Score: 2) by MostCynical on Friday October 11 2019, @02:49AM (1 child)

      by MostCynical (2589) on Friday October 11 2019, @02:49AM (#905560) Journal

      Scale speed?
      Assuming a "full sized" vehicle would be 8 to 10 times larger, this drone would only be doing around 14mph [liveabout.com]

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 11 2019, @08:57AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 11 2019, @08:57AM (#905642)

        Ideas dreamed up while being infused with the blood of the younglings and watching your Palantir? Yep, bad science, evil technology, and Peter Thiel at the heart of it all. Mostly fantasy. Lucky Palm? Who has a date tonight! (Who makes up these names? Laid off Bond writers from the former British Empire?)

    • (Score: 2) by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us on Friday October 11 2019, @07:24PM

      by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us (6553) on Friday October 11 2019, @07:24PM (#906001) Journal

      Liquid-based Jatos for the kill-shot? More likely. (Although the idea that it can come back and take another shot augurs against that, unless it has multiple bottles or a full-out fuel control system for that purpose)

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