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posted by martyb on Thursday June 04 2020, @09:56PM   Printer-friendly [Skip to comment(s)]
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Project Gutenberg Public Domain Library Blocked in Italy For Copyright Infringement:

Project Gutenberg, a volunteer effort to digitize and archive books, is sometimes described as the world’s oldest digital library.

Founded in 1971, Project Gutenberg‘s archives now stretch to a total of more than 62,000 books, with a focus on titles that entered the public domain after their copyrights expired. The library does carry some and in-copyright books but these are distributed with the express permission of their owners.

The project has an excellent reputation and its work is considered a great contribution to education and culture. However, it now transpires that the site has been rendered inaccessible by ISPs in Italy under the instructions of the Public Prosecutor at the Court of Rome.

[...] The seizure/blocking notice states that all of the targeted domains “distributed, transmitted and disseminated in pdf format, magazines, newspapers and books (property protected by copyright) after having illegally acquired numerous computer files with their content, communicating them to the public, [and] entering them into a system of communication networks.”

[...] “The investigation, conducted by a special unit of the Guardia di Finanza, has been developed in the context of monitoring the targeted Internet networks to combat economic and financial offenses perpetrated online.

“In this context, the operators identified some web resources registered on foreign servers which make content and magazines available to the public early in the morning, allowing users to view or download digital copies,” the court document reads. (translated from Italian)


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Works from 1925 are now open to all! The Center for the Study of the Public Domain at Duke Law School's blog covers the famous works which rise to the public domain on January 1st, 2021.

On January 1, 2021, copyrighted works from 1925 will enter the US public domain,1 where they will be free for all to use and build upon. These works include books such as F. Scott Fitzgerald’s The Great Gatsby, Virginia Woolf’s Mrs. Dalloway, Ernest Hemingway’s In Our Time, and Franz Kafka’s The Trial (in the original German), silent films featuring Harold Lloyd and Buster Keaton, and music ranging from the jazz standard Sweet Georgia Brown to songs by Gertrude “Ma” Rainey, W.C. Handy, and Fats Waller.

"So we beat on, boats against the current, borne back ceaselessley into the past."
F. Scott Fitsgerald, The Great Gatsby

This is not just the famous last line from The Great Gatsby. It also encapsulates what the public domain is all about. A culture is a continuing conversation between present and past. On Public Domain Day, we all have a “green light,” in keeping with the Gatsby theme, to use one more year of that rich cultural past, without permission or fee.

1925 was a good year for music. Duke Ellington and Jelly Roll Morton were some of those active then. Though some consider it the best year so far for great books and many classics were published then, among them is the original German version of the all too relevant The Trial by Franz Kafka.

Previously:
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(2020) Internet Archive Ends “Emergency Library” Early to Appease Publishers
(2020) Project Gutenberg Public Domain Library Blocked in Italy for Copyright Infringement
(2020) ‘The Wonderful Wizard of Oz’ Turns 120
(2020) University Libraries Offer Online "Lending" of Scanned In-Copyright Books
(2019) The House Votes in Favor of Disastrous Copyright Bill


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  • (Score: 1, Offtopic) by fustakrakich on Thursday June 04 2020, @10:06PM (1 child)

    by fustakrakich (6150) on Thursday June 04 2020, @10:06PM (#1003381) Journal

    And this is precisely why we need a way to circumvent the ISP. And in the US they should at least be regulated as common carriers.

    In other words, *Leave Twitter/Facebook Alone!*

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    • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Friday June 05 2020, @03:07PM

      by fustakrakich (6150) on Friday June 05 2020, @03:07PM (#1003765) Journal

      Talking about ISPs, the actual problem, in a story about ISPs, is "offtopic"?

      Somebody is just carrying a grudge.

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  • (Score: 2) by takyon on Thursday June 04 2020, @10:09PM (29 children)

    by takyon (881) <{takyon} {at} {soylentnews.org}> on Thursday June 04 2020, @10:09PM (#1003387) Journal

    Can an Italian human confirm this block?

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    • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Bot on Thursday June 04 2020, @10:41PM (24 children)

      by Bot (3902) on Thursday June 04 2020, @10:41PM (#1003404) Journal

      >Can an Italian human...
      No, but the block is at DNS level. By adding
      152.19.134.47 gutenberg.org www.gutenberg.org
      to /etc/hosts I could access the main page, some more manual lookups may be needed for content if hosted on other domains.

      Italian government, which I remind you is leftist with a Soviet short term outlook, has already censored chans like 8ch and let Islamic and antifa equivalent content online. But one could say it is mere chance depending on your list of sites. Ok. April 25 leftist celebration, no fallout for people not respecting covid distancing. June 3 independentist demonstration, police is collecting evidence to fine the guys not distancing.

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      • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Thursday June 04 2020, @10:46PM (23 children)

        by fustakrakich (6150) on Thursday June 04 2020, @10:46PM (#1003409) Journal

        "Leftist"? Isn't Berlusconi still lingering around somewhere?

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        • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Bot on Thursday June 04 2020, @10:56PM (17 children)

          by Bot (3902) on Thursday June 04 2020, @10:56PM (#1003415) Journal

          Berlusconi has sold out, but since it is not needed not trusted he is out now and was out in the previous government too. Plus, he would become a leftist himself should that be a viable strategy. Remember he teamed up with them after spending like two decades badmouthing them. And vice versa.

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          • (Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Thursday June 04 2020, @11:11PM

            by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Thursday June 04 2020, @11:11PM (#1003426)

            Berlusconi has sold out

            That is his family motto.

          • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Thursday June 04 2020, @11:11PM (15 children)

            by fustakrakich (6150) on Thursday June 04 2020, @11:11PM (#1003427) Journal

            So, "leftist" is just kind of role playing thing then, where people jump back and forth for a fast buck?

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            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 04 2020, @11:56PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 04 2020, @11:56PM (#1003445)

              > So, "leftist" is just kind of role playing thing then, where people jump back and forth for a fast buck?

              You are confused, jumping back and forth for a fast buck is a Trump thing. And given the number of bankruptcies, he's not very good at it.

            • (Score: 2) by Bot on Friday June 05 2020, @08:37AM (3 children)

              by Bot (3902) on Friday June 05 2020, @08:37AM (#1003636) Journal

              Leftists have to put up with hypocrisy because we were flirting with soviets. You cannot be left and support current leftists, you cannot be right and support those who voted for EU and allied with leftists to fight cinquestelle.
              1943-1994 lefties abhor the tricolor flag because Fascism!!! then Lega soars and they adopt it to fight federalism. Lega does a 180deg when immigrants come BTW
              1943-1989 lefties love Russia! They kill catholic antifas because they wanted to stay Italian (porzus massacre). Togliattigrad is a russian city named after a leftie. Then comes Putin and OOOOH TRUMP IS IN BED WITH PUTIN THE HORROR... They have been traitors for decades LOL.
              Mafia? they have the antimafia champion Saviano, who watches every speck of dandruff of right leaning politicians, to see if it contains a hidden message for the mafia, then the Conte government releases bosses because of covid fears and his reaction is? of course we must be democratic. LOL how about stopping visits and have prison guards doing the same turns as medical staff did in some private nursery house? zero dead there? huh? I defended Saviano till that day, no more. They just use the anti mafia sentiment to promote a modern lifestyle, atomized family, europeism, as opposed to the old catholic order. Not considering that the mafia is quite more jewish-like than catholic (the typical secret society with affiliation rites) and newer than the old order.

              The people? The people used to be the CORNERSTONE of lefties. Then the people started disagreeing and now, they call a Minister a bibitaro, guy selling beverages. You know, a prole, it has become an insult. Because now the generation of 68, those who did not even study to get a grade, have the credential to rule, not the bibitari.

              Justice? Berlusconi was a mafia guy and they barely scratched him, no matter the 20 year long tirades in the media against each other. Enter Salvini, 48 million euro of fine (tax fine, so you have to prove you are innocent) and their media and tweets write "Salvini give us back the 48 millions". Give back, a fine? no you Pay the fine, it is not stolen money, it is an arbitrary larger amount decided by the tax men because they think you were irregular. Which probably happened, but they punished the organization for the fiscal crimes of the former Bossi management. Responsibility is collective, very nazi of them.
              Then, Salvini as interior minister stops migrants as a show, they get him tried for kidnapping. I argue with good friends it is madness, no way they defend the action. Because leftists in good faith. Then tapes emerge (thanks donald I guess) in which the judges literally say "Salvini is right but we must stop him" and talk with leftists in first plural person, We, ours....

              Just do your research.

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              • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Friday June 05 2020, @03:16PM (2 children)

                by fustakrakich (6150) on Friday June 05 2020, @03:16PM (#1003772) Journal

                I think your definition of "left" is way off. Looks like you're just using it to refer to Russian commies. What you really describe are various competing crooks/authoritarians in a regular turf war, really just scratching at the facade. Real "lefties" are anarchists.

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                • (Score: 2) by ChrisMaple on Saturday June 06 2020, @06:36PM (1 child)

                  by ChrisMaple (6964) on Saturday June 06 2020, @06:36PM (#1004269)

                  Anarchy is a technique used by leftists to gain power. Promote anarchy; when people become sick of the seemingly random looting and violence they yearn for a strong leader. The strong leader comes in, kills the looters and whomever else he doesn't like, enslaves the remainder and calls it the will of the people. Leftism.

                  • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Saturday June 06 2020, @06:45PM

                    by fustakrakich (6150) on Saturday June 06 2020, @06:45PM (#1004273) Journal

                    Anarchy is not "looting and chaos". It is rules without rulers, like "good without god", which religious fanatics believe is not possible.

                    The strong leader comes in, kills the looters and whomever else he doesn't like, enslaves the remainder and calls it the will of the people. Leftism.

                    :-) Heh, not even close. Not even possible. Authority is a "right wing" thing. Authoritarianism, from anybody, defines the "right", anarchism the "left". Desire for authority is the opposite of "left".

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            • (Score: 2) by Unixnut on Friday June 05 2020, @08:39AM (9 children)

              by Unixnut (5779) on Friday June 05 2020, @08:39AM (#1003637)

              > So, "leftist" is just kind of role playing thing then, where people jump back and forth for a fast buck?

              s/people/politicans/

              Politicians care primarily about power, and they will say and do whatever they can to get it. It is not the first time I've heard of a politician, having spent decades on the left (or right) switching to the "other team" to either gain (or preserve) power. Many "hard core" communist politicians, when the soviet system fell, just changed their suits and became "democratic capitalists" overnight, some even swung to hardcore right if it helped them get power.

              It helps that "left" and "right" are really the same thing. Both are authoritarian constructs who demand complete obedience to authority. The only difference is the justification used for said domination over people. That is why its so easy for politicians to switch between them, a few minor variations in the "message" and everything else pretty much is the same.

              You can notice this by how few politicians support devolving power to the people. Yet you have many on the side of the left or right fighting for what they think is the "correct" authoritarian rule.

              • (Score: 2) by Bot on Friday June 05 2020, @12:05PM (3 children)

                by Bot (3902) on Friday June 05 2020, @12:05PM (#1003685) Journal

                You want to know the name of a leftie who made the jump to the other side? Benito Mussolini.

                Socialists gonna socialist.

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                • (Score: 2) by Unixnut on Friday June 05 2020, @03:37PM (2 children)

                  by Unixnut (5779) on Friday June 05 2020, @03:37PM (#1003787)

                  Yes I know, history is full of examples.

                  The Nazis were socialist (hence the name "National socialist"), and indeed it was due to their socialist policies within Germany that (early on before the war) made them popular both in the country, and the world over.

                  The problem is that (a) they took the "nationalist" bit to the extreme, with Eugenics/racial purity/mass murder, etc... and (b) they believed their own superiority to the point where they thought they could fight the entire world at the same time, and win.

                  Hence national socialism is not really popular anymore, what we have instead is "globalist socialism". Mussolini was also a socialist originally, but then shifted into fascism, which is a great example of how the differences between the two systems are really superficial, indeed many of the slogans can be reused with only minor alterations to key words.

                  • (Score: 2) by tangomargarine on Friday June 05 2020, @04:37PM (1 child)

                    by tangomargarine (667) on Friday June 05 2020, @04:37PM (#1003818)

                    Looks like it's time for me to repost my "no, the Nazis weren't Socialists" post again.

                    https://soylentnews.org/politics/comments.pl?noupdate=1&sid=22973&page=1&cid=607372#commentwrap [soylentnews.org]

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                    • (Score: 2) by Unixnut on Friday June 05 2020, @10:16PM

                      by Unixnut (5779) on Friday June 05 2020, @10:16PM (#1003979)

                      Post it all you want, its still wrong.

                      The Nazis had clearly socialist policies, including a strong social safety net, strong unions, support for workers, state health care, and many state owned/directed industries (e.g. the "Peoples car" in VW). In fact it is those socialist policies that drove them into the public spotlight. They were "populists" that had the solution to the problems of reparations, the economic collapse and hyperinflation (sound familiar?) post WWI.

                      The difference was that these policies were only for "Germans" as they defined them, which was quite a narrow definition, that is what made it "national" socialism, rather than what we tend to have today..

                      With the rise of communism, the Nazi party started worrying that they would be usurped, so started cracking down on those who could oppose them (which was those communists to the left of them, who seemed more "in touch" with the workers), but that doesn't change the fact that they very much clothed themselves in "socialism" throughout.

                      Although the fact we are arguing over nuances in whether the Nazi party was fascist or socialist again proves my core point about how the two are effectively the same authoritarian structure, just with slightly different presentation.

                      And from your link, I see I am not the only one who is aware of the similarities:

                      https://soylentnews.org/politics/comments.pl?noupdate=1&sid=22973&page=1&cid=607415#commentwrap [soylentnews.org]

              • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Friday June 05 2020, @03:26PM

                by fustakrakich (6150) on Friday June 05 2020, @03:26PM (#1003782) Journal

                Yes, "left" and "right" is just cold war bullshit to fling against the hippies. Well, now it's just marketing...

                Authority is authority, makes no difference where it comes from.

                Even The People™ can be an evil dictator.

                Will you run an engine lathe eight unfucking hours a day because the syndicate tells you the people need what the lathe produces? If you will, the people just becomes a new tyrant."

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              • (Score: 2) by dry on Saturday June 06 2020, @05:24AM (3 children)

                by dry (223) on Saturday June 06 2020, @05:24AM (#1004092) Journal

                It helps that "left" and "right" are really the same thing. Both are authoritarian constructs who demand complete obedience to authority.

                Actually both left and right have non-authoritarian groups, it is just that the authoritarians usually win.

                • (Score: 2) by Unixnut on Saturday June 06 2020, @11:04AM (2 children)

                  by Unixnut (5779) on Saturday June 06 2020, @11:04AM (#1004144)

                  > Actually both left and right have non-authoritarian groups, it is just that the authoritarians usually win.

                  Yes, which makes the modern left/right definitions not really useful.

                  The "left"/"right" paradigm came from the time of the French revolution, where those who sided for individual liberty sat on the left, and those who supported authority (the King) sat on the right. So the original definition was very much in the "liberty" vs "authority" division, hence even today the left wing is usually known as the "liberal" side, despite them not being liberal at all really.

                  IMO when Karl Marx came up with "Das kapital", that was roughly the period when the left started becoming authoritarian. I place the blame on Communism, because within the stages of Socialism, until reaching the nirvana of Communism, is a stage of "dictatorship of the proletariat", where there is huge authoritarian system designed to destroy the old order, suppress or destroy the old habits (including killing all the people who refuse to accept Communism), and generally usher the final goal of Communism (which is the full decentralisation of power into local "communes", where people vote on local issues and the means of production is shared).

                  The problem is no Communist society ever got past the "Dictatorship of the proletariat" phase, because (a) psychopaths always got into positions of dictator, and always dreamt up new reasons that Communism was under threat and the dictatorship must be prolonged to "preserve the revolution". Then (b), any country that would manage to reach Communism, and decentralise, would end up dominated by a larger, centralised authority (even if it includes being invaded by a larger, centrally organised country).

                  Centralised systems are more efficient than decentralised systems, we see it even in the internet, where the original "decentralised" system was only maintained due to threat of nuclear war. The moment that threat was no longer important, it started centralising like crazy, to the point where an outage of one company (eg, Amazon with AWS) can take out entire chunks of the web.

                  Same happens in human social systems, absent any need to tolerate inefficiency to keep things decentralised, centralised systems win out.

                  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 06 2020, @02:15PM

                    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 06 2020, @02:15PM (#1004200)

                    Marxist/Communist philosphy is fundamentally flawed and will always devolve into authoritarianism if followed strictly, but many of the concepts have value. The "real communism" that people think of when they say X communist country isn't /real/ communism, is actually anarchy.

                  • (Score: 2) by dry on Saturday June 06 2020, @04:23PM

                    by dry (223) on Saturday June 06 2020, @04:23PM (#1004222) Journal

                    One of the problems is that the left/right scale is too simplistic. The political compass for example adds the non-authoritarian/authoritarian scale to the mix. Last US election for example, https://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2016 [politicalcompass.org] shows Hillary slightly to the right of Trump, who has focused on traditional left stuff like supporting labour and protectionism but comes in way more authoritarian.
                    The problem with communism is the Stalinist's always show up and being willing to kill etc, usually win against the libertarians.
                    Interesting read is George Orwell's experiences in Spain. I think it was published under his real name that slips my memory right now. Basically the socialist revolution was going great and then the Stalinist's showed up. Same with the Russian revolution though that was before Stalin, the authoritarians won out, being better organized and ruthless.
                    What I've observed is that in Western Democracies, the left is generally much less authoritarian then the right, whereas in the 3rd world, the left is more authoritarian.
                    The other problem is it is all generalizations and people are too complex to put on simple scales.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 04 2020, @11:03PM (4 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 04 2020, @11:03PM (#1003421)

          Compared to the US, every government in the world is "leftist".

          But compared to normal standards [wikipedia.org]:

          • "rightist": 37%
          • "populist": 33%
          • "leftist": 23%
          • (Score: 2) by Bot on Friday June 05 2020, @01:45PM (3 children)

            by Bot (3902) on Friday June 05 2020, @01:45PM (#1003720) Journal

            There have not ever been any governments that were more left than the current one in Italy. Left plus the grey cinquestelle, which are considered now a submarine leftist party (not even much submarine as their dad Grillo wanted to run with the lefties and was cast out. Plus they are probably paving the way for Draghi or Colao, which are the Bilderberg's picks.

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            • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Saturday June 06 2020, @06:00AM (2 children)

              by fustakrakich (6150) on Saturday June 06 2020, @06:00AM (#1004105) Journal

              "left/right"... so tribal! Not very "Bot" like..

              So tell me, how you distinguish a "left" wing dictatorship from a "right" wing dictatorship?

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              • (Score: 2) by Bot on Saturday June 06 2020, @06:35PM (1 child)

                by Bot (3902) on Saturday June 06 2020, @06:35PM (#1004268) Journal

                EZ.
                The right proclaims and doesn't do, the left proclaims and does the opposite.

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                • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Saturday June 06 2020, @06:56PM

                  by fustakrakich (6150) on Saturday June 06 2020, @06:56PM (#1004274) Journal

                  So it must not matter if they are libertarian or authoritarian then? See, in the US it's very symbiotic. One side uses the other to pass bad law, the other promises to undo it, but doesn't, frustrating voters into swinging back to the other side. It's kind of a *good cop/bad cop* thing. Can't really define it as "left/right" though.

                  The closest thing to reality is that the "right" is authoritarian/fascist, and the "left" is libertarian/liberal/anarchist

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    • (Score: 0, Redundant) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 04 2020, @10:46PM (2 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 04 2020, @10:46PM (#1003408)

      An Italian human?

    • (Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @12:45AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @12:45AM (#1003468)

      Can an Italian human confirm this block?

      Ah bobbity boopidy boppity boo, boppity boppity boopady boo bopiddady!

      Eyeah speakah Italian!!!

      NO I CAN'T STOP SHOUTING, THIS IS MY NORMAL SPEAKING VOICE, AH BOBBITY BOO!

  • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 04 2020, @10:32PM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 04 2020, @10:32PM (#1003398)

    Italian police, in fact all Italian civil servants, are idiots who are only interested in counting the hours until they can stuff themselves with pasta at lunch and dinner.

    • (Score: 2) by Bot on Thursday June 04 2020, @10:51PM

      by Bot (3902) on Thursday June 04 2020, @10:51PM (#1003413) Journal

      We got Pisciotta you got Epstein.

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  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by SomeGuy on Thursday June 04 2020, @10:41PM (3 children)

    by SomeGuy (5632) on Thursday June 04 2020, @10:41PM (#1003403)

    I fully expect "the internet" as we knew it to get entirely stomped out and replaced by some corporatenet where there is nothing but shopping, buying moves, and idiots twatting, all DRMed and non-anonymous. Sort of like a modern MSN/AOL/Compuserve service. It's been moving in that direction for a long time now. Sacks of crap can get away with whatever they want.

    • (Score: 2) by acid andy on Friday June 05 2020, @12:16AM

      by acid andy (1683) on Friday June 05 2020, @12:16AM (#1003450) Homepage Journal

      And I thought my posts were pessimistic lately! I really hope you're wrong.

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    • (Score: 1) by pTamok on Friday June 05 2020, @09:40AM (1 child)

      by pTamok (3042) on Friday June 05 2020, @09:40AM (#1003648)

      I fully expect "the internet" as we knew it to get entirely stomped out and replaced by some corporatenet where there is nothing but shopping, buying moves, and idiots twatting, all DRMed and non-anonymous. Sort of like a modern MSN/AOL/Compuserve service. It's been moving in that direction for a long time now. Sacks of crap can get away with whatever they want.

      You are already modded up fully, just want to say I share your opinion. Some call it cynicism, I call it realism.

      • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Unixnut on Friday June 05 2020, @03:46PM

        by Unixnut (5779) on Friday June 05 2020, @03:46PM (#1003795)

        > You are already modded up fully, just want to say I share your opinion. Some call it cynicism, I call it realism.

        I also agree. except I will say its been the case for years now, and already well on its way to completion. There are local businesses that are now unavailable to me because they only have a FB presence (not even a normal phone number anymore), others require me to agree to Google's terms if I want to use their services, which I refuse to do.

        There are siloed "playpens" all over, each with its own echo chamber of self righteous morons screaming about something. The ability to silence dissent (either via "ignore" options, or banning), means that only conformity is tolerated.

        Then you have regional divisions, almost all countries have implemented some sort of IP banks/great firewalls, etc... which selectively ban online websites that they deem inappropriate.

        The one silver lining to all this is that with all the masses fenced into their little corners, the eternal September may actually come to an end, and the internet may return to its roots (even if it is over Tor/I2P or non-http communication). I think most of the partitioning will remain virtual, at least for now, because of the impressive economies of scale you can achieve with a physical global internet.

  • (Score: 4, Informative) by Freeman on Thursday June 04 2020, @10:50PM (10 children)

    by Freeman (732) on Thursday June 04 2020, @10:50PM (#1003412) Journal

    Our eBooks may be freely used in the United States because most are not protected by U.S. copyright law, usually because their copyrights have expired. They may not be free of copyright in other countries. Readers outside of the United States must check the copyright terms of their countries before downloading or redistributing our eBooks. We also have a number of copyrighted titles, for which the copyright holder has given permission for unlimited non-commercial worldwide use.

    http://www.gutenberg.org/ [gutenberg.org]

    Seems like Italy is one of those places. Project Gutenberg doesn't have the resources to provide a separate instance for each nation's separate Copyright restrictions. Usually, the USA's copyright practices are draconian enough, not to bother the rest of the world with. Apparently, Italy's copyright policies are worse.

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    • (Score: 2) by takyon on Thursday June 04 2020, @10:57PM (5 children)

      by takyon (881) <{takyon} {at} {soylentnews.org}> on Thursday June 04 2020, @10:57PM (#1003417) Journal

      I was under the impression some of the alternate Gutenberg sites had more books because of EU's more lax copyright terms. But they have had problems there before:

      https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20180306/03423339363/project-gutenberg-blocks-access-germany-to-all-public-domain-books-because-local-copyright-claim-18-them.shtml [techdirt.com]

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      • (Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @12:01AM (4 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @12:01AM (#1003446)

        > alternate Gutenberg sites

        Came here to mention that the Canadian Gutenberg has newer titles than USA, must have shorter life to (C) in Canada. Comes with similar disclaimer about checking (C) in the country where you download to.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @09:17AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 05 2020, @09:17AM (#1003646)

          Canada is author+50 while most of the world is author+70 for most things. In addition, they had a ton of older works become public domain in 2003 that are still reserved in the US and most of the world.

        • (Score: 2) by dry on Saturday June 06 2020, @05:28AM (2 children)

          by dry (223) on Saturday June 06 2020, @05:28AM (#1004094) Journal

          For now. Part of the new trade deal is Canada moving to life+70 years copyright.

          • (Score: 2) by hendrikboom on Sunday June 07 2020, @09:25PM (1 child)

            by hendrikboom (1125) Subscriber Badge on Sunday June 07 2020, @09:25PM (#1004612) Homepage Journal

            Yes, unfortunately.

            Does that apply to works currently between 50 and 70 years old, or only to new ones?

            • (Score: 2) by dry on Sunday June 07 2020, @10:11PM

              by dry (223) on Sunday June 07 2020, @10:11PM (#1004630) Journal

              Good question. I guess we'll find out when the legislation is written. I hope only for new ones but I think the Americans hope or expect for everything.

    • (Score: 4, Informative) by MostCynical on Thursday June 04 2020, @11:01PM (3 children)

      by MostCynical (2589) on Thursday June 04 2020, @11:01PM (#1003420) Journal

      from WIkipedea [wikipedia.org]

      In the author-centric Italian copyright law, moral rights are eternal, non-transferable, and inalienable. The author, even after transfer of economic rights, retains the right to claim authorship and to oppose mutilation of the work or any act that would be prejudicial to her honour or reputation (Arts. 20, 22). Upon the death of the author, these rights may be relied upon by her family and descendants (Art. 23).

      and

      The duration of economic rights for most works and for photographs in Italian law is 70 years from the death of the author (Art. 28). Where there are multiple authors, and for cinematographic works, the economic rights expire 70 years after the death of the last surviving author

      so - yes, and no... look like someone has gone hunting. Great Firewall of Italy, here we come?

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      • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Bot on Thursday June 04 2020, @11:10PM (2 children)

        by Bot (3902) on Thursday June 04 2020, @11:10PM (#1003425) Journal

        They have already started. Three news orgs, byoblu, radio radio and socialtv have already set up alternatives to YouTube as they are being targeted.
        Apparently criticizing, sorry I mean describing, Islam, is the surest way to get in trouble. Those Emirates must be paying well.

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        • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 04 2020, @11:13PM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 04 2020, @11:13PM (#1003428)

          (((Allah Akbar))) infidel Bot.

          • (Score: 2) by Bot on Friday June 05 2020, @10:19AM

            by Bot (3902) on Friday June 05 2020, @10:19AM (#1003657) Journal

            Mod you up because you jewechoed the term, giving credit to the Saudi bosses are jew conspiracy. Next time use the proper double parentheses instead of the triple ones.

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  • (Score: 1) by AHuxley on Friday June 05 2020, @02:44AM (1 child)

    by AHuxley (254) on Friday June 05 2020, @02:44AM (#1003524)

    Its called freedom of speech.

  • (Score: 3, Funny) by maxwell demon on Friday June 05 2020, @08:22AM (1 child)

    by maxwell demon (1608) on Friday June 05 2020, @08:22AM (#1003624) Journal

    Emphasis by me:

    “In this context, the operators identified some web resources registered on foreign servers which make content and magazines available to the public early in the morning, allowing users to view or download digital copies,” the court document reads. (translated from Italian)

    Does Italian copyright depend on the time of the day?

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    • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Bot on Friday June 05 2020, @08:49AM

      by Bot (3902) on Friday June 05 2020, @08:49AM (#1003640) Journal

      I went to read the Italian doc, they wrote some guys put magazines and newspaper online from the early morning. So it is a daily pirate service, not archival or preservation or no profit. I do not think gutenberg is the main culprit here, just thrown in by people who dunno how notable it is.

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