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Do not handicap your children by making their lives easy.
-- Robert Heinlein
(Score: 3, Insightful) by mhajicek on Sunday November 19 2023, @09:34AM (7 children)
What do you mean by "return to the moon"; fly by, or boots on the ground?
The spacelike surfaces of time foliations can have a cusp at the surface of discontinuity. - P. Hajicek
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 19 2023, @02:23PM
I assumed it to mean 'boots on the ground,' though I'm more inclined to want to think of it as the second or more times boots were on the ground to guard against a one-and-done mission.
(Score: 1) by shrewdsheep on Sunday November 19 2023, @02:57PM (1 child)
It depends whether you mean swallows or rockets.
(Score: 3, Funny) by Gaaark on Monday November 20 2023, @02:18AM
If it's Neil and Bob, I'd say swallows. If it's Elton, I'd say rockets... and swallows.
;)
--- Please remind me if I haven't been civil to you: I'm channeling MDC. ---Gaaark 2.0 ---
(Score: 2) by Barenflimski on Monday November 20 2023, @11:32PM (1 child)
Oh shit, did I answer this wrong?
(Score: 3, Insightful) by mhajicek on Tuesday November 21 2023, @08:13AM
No idea how you answered, but yes!
The spacelike surfaces of time foliations can have a cusp at the surface of discontinuity. - P. Hajicek
(Score: 3, Informative) by DannyB on Tuesday November 21 2023, @03:31PM (1 child)
I definitely mint boots on the ground when I submitted that pole.
Due to the immensity of such an accomplishment, I wanted to allow for it possibly taking decades to accomplish once we make that a national priority, if ever.
Don't put a mindless tool of corporations in the white house; vote ChatGPT for 2024!
(Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Sunday November 26 2023, @11:53PM
What about sentient AI bots on the lunar surface? IMO that's a dead heat vs meatbags rehashing Apollo.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 19 2023, @06:52PM (22 children)
We won't get back to Luna before World War III (which has already begun) knocks most of the world's nations back down the civilizational slope a peg or two. It will take another thousand years to climb back up it to where humans again have the knowledge and technology to travel to the moon. And then it will again be a stunt to glorify whichever group makes it, rather than part of a sustained settlement effort.
It's simply too difficult and too expensive to send humans into space, because you have to create bubbles of Earth's environment to take with them, in order to survive. Much easier to send the machine "intelligences" (be they sentient or not) which can be designed for the existing conditions in space. We might be able to use the machines to create small bases on Luna and/or Mars for humans, and then send humans there to live in the prebuilt bases, but the idea that large numbers of humans will be able to move out from the Solar system will most likely just be a pipe dream.
(Score: 4, Funny) by zocalo on Sunday November 19 2023, @08:44PM (5 children)
More seriously, I think it'll be a toss up between the US (using a SpaceX launch vehicle) and China sometime around 2030, and for exactly the same reasons as last time; two superpowers engaged in a dick-measuring contest purely for the kudos of seeing who can get there first. It's not like there's much of anything other than kudos that boots on the ground can achieve that robots can't at this point, unless you're seriously laying the foundations of a permanent lunar base for things like mining Helium-3, building telescopes on the far side, and the like.
Hopefully, the rest of us will at least get some side benefits from the technological advances developed to make it happen though.
UNIX? They're not even circumcised! Savages!
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Freeman on Monday November 20 2023, @10:46PM (2 children)
Without SpaceX, I doubt we'd have any hope for returning to the Moon in the next decade or two. Certainly not more than one or two trips and done. With SpaceX, reusable rockets, and Starship (assuming they're successful) we could see humans on the Moon by 2030 or maybe a bit later. It would be epic to see humans going to the Moon and maybe even Mars in my life time.
Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"
(Score: 3, Interesting) by turgid on Thursday November 23 2023, @10:05PM (1 child)
Elon Musk is unhinged, and he is not a nice man to work for. But to give him his due, he has put a large boot up the backsides of many industries. He has taken the last 70 years of space technology, for example, and refined it, with some government subsidies, to make it more of a commercial operation.
On his own, I don't think he'll see us to the Moon or Mars. He's making quite a mess of Starship and he hasn't got a proper solution to the problem of radiation on a Mars trip.
He is motivated, and he is showing everyone else what you can achieve if you cast off the old cobwebs, which is good. I think he's going to run out of money before he gets anywhere near boots on Mars, though.
I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent [wikipedia.org].
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Freeman on Monday November 27 2023, @02:38PM
I figure a couple more X/Twitters and that should do it.
Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Tuesday November 21 2023, @03:39PM
<no-sarcasm>
It is a land rush. They aren't making any more of that land. Defending your territory may require actually being there.
</no-sarcasm>
So grab it while you can. Grab 'em by the 0 G's. They'll let you if you can see the stars.
Such a contest is important, but measuring it can be hard.
Don't put a mindless tool of corporations in the white house; vote ChatGPT for 2024!
(Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Wednesday December 06 2023, @07:33PM
>unless you're seriously laying the foundations of a permanent lunar base for things like mining Helium-3, building telescopes on the far side, and the like.
We've maintained the ISS for quite a while... a Lunar base could run a similar (yes, more expensive) program serving a very similar agenda, tritium exports and dust plagued telescopes not really required. Note that, while it has grown, the ISS is nothing like the big, empty orbiting wheels of the 2001 movie(s), and I would expect a lunar base to be similarly cramped and crowded - operated as much for "political cooperation" as any science being performed.
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(Score: 2) by PiMuNu on Tuesday November 21 2023, @12:34PM (12 children)
> It will take another thousand years to climb back up it to where humans again have the knowledge and technology to travel to the moon
May be challenging without good access to fossil fuels.
(Score: 2) by mhajicek on Thursday November 23 2023, @06:30AM (10 children)
Biofuels ftw.
The spacelike surfaces of time foliations can have a cusp at the surface of discontinuity. - P. Hajicek
(Score: 2) by deimtee on Thursday November 23 2023, @12:34PM (9 children)
Nope. PiMuNu is right. The easy fuels and the easy metals are gone. Civilization gets knocked back that far and there won't be another industrial civilization capable of space travel until the continents turn over.
Pockets of knowledge might survive, but it takes massive amounts of easily accessible fuel and metal ores to drive an industrial revolution.
A sustainable society built on biofuels and renewables just won't have the spare capacity.
If you cough while drinking cheap red wine it really cleans out your sinuses.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 25 2023, @06:13PM
Bullshit, humanity wasted way more material filling landfills than it would take to start a space program. Pair with proper recycling and you don't need to excavate a continent.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday November 30 2023, @01:40AM (7 children)
There's still wood. It's the obvious easy fuel here. As to the easy metals, humanity has spent enormous resources to dig up those metals, refine them to astounding purity, and place them throughout cities and dumps. Those metals will be easier to get at than when they were in the ground as raw ore. Aluminum is a particularly obvious example. Not only is it in a form that ancient humans never could achieve, it can be used to melt steel.
Also, solar, wind, and water will still be here. It'll be different, but it won't be that challenging.
(Score: 2) by deimtee on Thursday November 30 2023, @11:44PM (6 children)
EROEI is what counts for energy, and fossils fuels had an extremely high one. Even then society killed a lot of miners getting that coal out. You can't do that now.
As for metals, if the dumps are so superior why are we still mining raw ores? It's because the dumps are better for piecemeal recovery and use. You can't drive the industry needed to get to space on that sort of distributed re-use.
Getting a civilization to space requires a concentrated effort that won't be achievable again if we become a society living on recycled metals and sustainable solar energy. We will probably still launch satellites, but we won't be mining the asteroids and setting up colonies.
I bet you could find groups now that would favour taxing SpaceX into oblivion and using the money to "help the poor". They will get louder and more influential if things get tougher.
If you cough while drinking cheap red wine it really cleans out your sinuses.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Friday December 01 2023, @02:06AM (5 children)
They're typically in populated areas. That means little space for things like tailings or leach ponds. It also means significant restrictions on pollution and noise.
SpaceX shows it doesn't require a civilization to colonize space.
Sure. Already we see people angsting over the threat to the pristine "environment" of the Moon or the danger that someone somewhere might make money in space. This is balanced by these people having zero ability to do anything in space. So anyone who manages to get up there will be playing a different ball game.
(Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 01 2023, @05:37AM (2 children)
I am quite assured that khallow will never make any money from space. In fact, not sure he is making much from emptying the vending machines at Jellystone. Booboo! Get the Pikinic basket!
(Score: 1) by khallow on Friday December 01 2023, @05:13PM (1 child)
(Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 02 2023, @10:54AM
I find it interesting that many mock khallow, when khallow does not endeavor to be mocked! Mod points for low effort! Excellent!!!
(Score: 2) by deimtee on Saturday December 02 2023, @01:42PM (1 child)
SpaceX is one company driven by a guy with a dream. He got the money to pursue that dream by being one of the first in an expanding new industry.
That won't happen again if we move to a steady-state sustainable civilisation. Look at what happened to Thomas Jerome Newton and D.D. Harriman for an idea at what is going to happen to any future visionaries looking to travel to space in a "sustainable" crab-bucket future.
If you cough while drinking cheap red wine it really cleans out your sinuses.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 03 2023, @09:42AM
So many things wrong with your post.
Really? Are you this ignorant? Let me tell you about generational wealth, colonialism, and gem mines in South Africa.
Who? And you are appealing to a science fiction past to make some point about a libertarian dystopican future? The "crab-bucket" cinches it. Yes, the crabs pull down any crab trying to elevate themselves over the other crabs, but you miss a crucial thing: Then they rip them apart and eat them. Eat the rich! And the libertarians, despite the smell and gag-reflex. Desperate futures call for desperate measures.
(Score: 2) by HiThere on Tuesday December 19 2023, @08:15PM
For space travel, that's not a problem. If you've got the energy, you can synthesize them. (But splitting water is easier. Methane has pretty much won out for now, but if you have to synthesize it, the economics change.)
Javascript is what you use to allow unknown third parties to run software you have no idea about on your computer.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by khallow on Thursday November 30 2023, @02:08AM
Yet. It was for most of humanity's history too difficult and expensive to even discover aluminum. Now, it's all over the place and will be all over the place even if/when World War III happens. Technology and infrastructure improves. It's pointless to lecture us on what is too difficult and expensive, when it's merely an engineering and economic challenge.
(Score: 2) by GlennC on Monday December 11 2023, @03:20PM (1 child)
I was going to make a similar reply.
However you forgot to mention the upcoming U.S. Second Civil War.
Between the two, we are heading towards another Dark Ages and I'm not entirely sure that there will be another Renaissance.
I'd be very happy to be proven wrong, though.
Sorry folks...the world is bigger and more varied than you want it to be. Deal with it.
(Score: 2) by istartedi on Wednesday December 13 2023, @09:18PM
WW2 and to a lesser extent, the Civil War actually spurred the development of new technology. The US space program was full of German rocket scientists who developed the V2 ballistic missile for the nazis. Most famously Werner Von Braun, but many others who deliberately headed towards American lines because boy-howdy does Russia ever suck!
The most noteworthy tech development of WW3 so far is cheaper military drones. That might ultimately result in more capable, cheaper drones for exploration and preparation of other planetary surfaces. I maintain that if we're serious about Mars, there should be a robot-built habitat there waiting for us. 20 years from now, Ukrainians will build the bots that build the habs on Mars and the Moon, and they will come with us to establish an outpost.
Rome and China had their days and stalled, creating 1000-year stagnation periods. It can't be pinned down to a single conflict. China's shut-down of its budding trade/exploitation via the Treasure Fleet was due to internal political divisions. Rome fell apart gradually. What global trade that continued brought plagues, for which they didn't know the cure. The Black Death took out a lot more people than any war, and there were also climate upheavals, with a severe cold period hitting Europe. Aside from that, the "Dark Ages" were not as dark as often portrayed; although the lack of literacy is stark. The point being, it took more than war to hold Europe back--it was a long running head-wind of climate, politics, war, and epidemics.
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(Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 20 2023, @09:00AM (1 child)
Millions of "missing Americans", and not one of them is Runaway1956? Fate is a cruel mistress, but Karma is a bitch. Biden our time.
(Score: 2, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 20 2023, @02:18PM
You will never have to worry about being a missing American, because no one would ever miss you. And stop calling me Shirley.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 20 2023, @05:33PM (1 child)
Humans can go back any time, but without plans for a base why bother?
(Score: 2) by mhajicek on Tuesday November 21 2023, @08:16AM
Based.
The spacelike surfaces of time foliations can have a cusp at the surface of discontinuity. - P. Hajicek
(Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 21 2023, @10:09AM
Did anyone notice? The queue? Suck subs, all, and not a good story in site. Oh, well. I'll see what I can contribute, even though I will probably be banned for trying to contribute.
(Score: 2) by PiMuNu on Tuesday November 21 2023, @12:42PM (1 child)
NASA latest best estimate is 2025, interesting that that is not even an option!
(Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Wednesday December 06 2023, @07:35PM
Manned in 2025? Seems unrealistic from my viewpoint.
Science probes, sure. Manned missions beyond the ISS would almost certainly be incremental in nature (higher orbits, lunar flybys) and hyped all over the media long before they launch.
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(Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 21 2023, @04:39PM (1 child)
Rightwing racist floats the idea of genocide [soylentnews.org]
Put him on a list #NSA #FBI #CIA
Sadly half would probably want to recruit the budding little crappy nazi.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 22 2023, @10:37PM
Half? If he wasn't an antisemite, they'd send him to Israel right away to carry out The Plan.
(Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 22 2023, @07:14PM (73 children)
Runaway is being spanked in his own journal, again, despite banning all AC comments. You think the poor bastard would learn. Arkansas remains the lowest in education, highest in violent crime, and is the top state for Lecturns. Way to go, Runaway1956!
(Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 23 2023, @07:34AM
Are not our impartial staff going to rein in the racist motherfuckers? No? Status, normal, for a racist news aggregation website. Noted.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 23 2023, @12:36PM (70 children)
Take your medication.
(Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 24 2023, @06:45AM (69 children)
Runaway took his meds, or at least the horse de-wormer. Caught the Covid anyway, as did his sons. Thing is, stupid seems to be genetic, but smart is not necessarily so. So this is where we are. More guns for ignorant morans, so that when they finally realize how stupid they have been, and how badly they have been played by New York grifting real estate fraudsters, they can execute the stand your ground protocol, of freedom, and one in the brainpan.
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Saturday November 25 2023, @02:31PM (68 children)
"When the argument is lost, slander becomes the weapon of the losers" - Socrates.
I am not interested in knowing who people are or where they live. My interest starts and stops at our servers.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 25 2023, @04:22PM
Yeah, I see that often in DJT.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 25 2023, @06:15PM (64 children)
Not slander when it is true.
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Saturday November 25 2023, @07:16PM (63 children)
Just like aristarchus wrote here perhaps? https://soylentnews.org/~aristarchus/journal/5388 [soylentnews.org]
He wrote that in his own journal.... but I suppose he will try to deny that too. He isn't quoting somebody else, he is simply expressing his own views.
When he comes to slander he started with Ethanol-Fueled on 11 Oct 2014 and quickly followed with TMB. And since then he has verbally attacked chromas, FatPhil, Runaway, janrinok, khallow, Runaway1956, FNord666, Bytram, chromas, VLM, hemocyanin, Martyb, NCommander, takyon, jmorris, cmn32480, butthurt, and others. The reason for this is because he cannot win arguments so he has to resort to insulting people. Which goes to show what an obnoxious person he actually is and how weak his arguments are.
He first forecast the demise of SoylentNews in 2019 and he has repeatedly done so many times since. But the only person who is trying to kill the site is aristarchus himself. He has stated that fact in his journals and elsewhere too.
He makes claims that he cannot substantiate and repeatedly lies about things that he claims are 'facts'. All of this is in his journals - they are still viewable by anyone who wishes to look at them. He has not been censored, he has not had his freedom of speech removed. The reason that his IPs appear to be banned is because he repeatedly uses them for spamming - and there is software that takes care of that automatically.
I am not interested in knowing who people are or where they live. My interest starts and stops at our servers.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 25 2023, @08:00PM (7 children)
Janrinok don't do sarcasm. Must be that British white privilege.
Possibly, but what else do all those poor victims of aristarchus have in common? Could it be that they are such dense ideologues that argument is useless against them? And, oh, don't think he ever slandered NCommander, and certainly not both Bytram and Martyb since those are the same person (I looked at the hashes!).
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And, retrospectively, his prediction turns out to have been more or less correct.
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Sunday November 26 2023, @07:43AM (6 children)
But I do! However, the quoted piece wasn't written as sarcasm. And now you are quoting my 'white privilege' - yet you do not know anything about my ethnic origins.
The journals are there for you to read - but you dare not do so, because you know that your arguments will come tumbling down.
More 'sarcasm', or just another lie? For had you looked you would have known that they are different even though they are the same person.
I am not interested in knowing who people are or where they live. My interest starts and stops at our servers.
(Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 26 2023, @08:38AM (2 children)
Different, even thought they are the same person? You mean, sockpuppetry, by a former Editor-in-Chief? Oh, the hypocrisy, and huge marsupials. If only c0lo could be here to moderate this admission. To the Moon, Alice!
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Sunday November 26 2023, @09:09AM (1 child)
Just like janrinok and Arthur T Knackerbracket, or chromas and upstart, or several other special purpose accounts. They do not have a vote, nor do they get moderation points. They cannot be used to abuse the site. Some are bots, some are used on the site while others on IRC.
I am not interested in knowing who people are or where they live. My interest starts and stops at our servers.
(Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 15 2023, @06:32PM
So what is janrinok's regular user name?
(Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 01 2023, @05:41AM
Of course, it is not that big of a task for someone with admin privileges to go in an edit any soylentil's journal. Oh, they will claim it is impossible, much like they claim that deletions of racist Runaway shit is unpossible. Not convinced by your slander of aristarchus, jan. Try harder. Do better. Keep the stiff British thing you Brits go on about.
(Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 05 2023, @06:43AM
No, you don't. And yes it was. How does anyone with such low literacy become an editor, anyway? Metaphor will fly right over his head, and sarcasm is too deep for him.
Addendum:
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 26 2023, @03:55PM (54 children)
The comment discussed was
"Runaway took his meds, or at least the horse de-wormer. Caught the Covid anyway, as did his sons. Thing is, stupid seems to be genetic, but smart is not necessarily so. So this is where we are. More guns for ignorant morans, so that when they finally realize how stupid they have been, and how badly they have been played by New York grifting real estate fraudsters, they can execute the stand your ground protocol, of freedom, and one in the brainpan."
Mostly all accurate according to Runaway's own commentary. His ignorance and stupidity is well documented, and even though he says he did not vote for the NY fraudster he defends the criminal at every opportunity. Runaway's desire for politically motivated terrorism is well documented as well and his journals echo the rightwing nationalist propaganda he blindly follows.
So no, the low effort insulting comment was not slander. For an admin that defends free speech from white supremacists while rarely c9ndemning it you sure leap to their defense at every opportunity.
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Sunday November 26 2023, @04:14PM (53 children)
If you look more closely we also defended aristarchus' right to say whatever he wished in his journals - even his own expression of "Lynch Whitey". We did not delete it. He was not given any punishment for expressing that abhorrent view. We "leap to the defence" of everybody who wishes to express their own views. We do not support either view but they are free to express it.
I am not interested in knowing who people are or where they live. My interest starts and stops at our servers.
(Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 28 2023, @11:19PM (51 children)
Stating that SN adheres to freedom of speech is much different than calling legitimate criticisms slander. Every time you try and pull this switcheroo it becomes harder to imagine you are not sympathetic to Runaway's ideology or that you might indeed actually BE Runaway1956. Why else bother with every trolling insult post aristarchus makes, and solely to defend Runaway? Very strange buddy.
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Wednesday November 29 2023, @06:15AM (50 children)
aristarchus is banned from the site. Each post that makes should be moderated as spam, iaw the "Decision - aristarchus [soylentnews.org]" published on 02 February 2022 by this site regarding his doxxing:
In this instance the purpose is to disrupt his access to the site iaw with the Policy Document [soylentnews.org] issued in 2014 which specifically states:
In this instance we know that this is being successful because he complains frequently that his IP addresses are being blocked.
In addition, anyone can be moderated by a community member for posting Spam which is defined here [soylentnews.org]:
aristarchus has never been banned for expressing his views, nor have you. There is no reason why another community member should be banned simply because you do not like the views he or she holds. This is not support that we give to a specific community member but something that is afforded to every community member. We are not sympathetic to any particular political viewpoint. If you wish the rules to be changed then draft something and we can put it to the community for a vote. The Policy Document will be rewritten when the new corporation is created.
I am not interested in knowing who people are or where they live. My interest starts and stops at our servers.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 29 2023, @12:16PM (49 children)
Who said anything about banning? Just pointing out your strange obsession with "rebutting" every criticism of Runaway1956. Doubling down quoting site policy, now you look crazy. Or like a Runaway sock puppet. How can we lowly plebes know with the complete lack of transparency and trust you've developed? You do you baby cakes.
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Wednesday November 29 2023, @01:34PM (48 children)
If you do not understand what the Policy Document says you can always ask someone to explain it to you.
Argue against what is being said - NOT who is saying it.
I banned both Runaway1956 and aristarchus with exactly the same punishment for the sock puppet abuse. One person took it on the chin and has not repeated that offence - the other turned to doxxing and continues to do so even now, in addition to his personal abuse of numerous people which I have already pointed out to you.
I am not interested in knowing who people are or where they live. My interest starts and stops at our servers.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 29 2023, @08:20PM (47 children)
*yawn*
Your replies are so boring and predictable, sort of like regardless of what I say you will shift the narrative to censorship. Thanks for continuing the lack of transparency and the continued defense of banning Runaway when banning was not even called for. That you stick up for his ignorance and terrorism ALL. THE. TIME is a you problem, I am just pointing out your odd behavior and how it goes against your own claims.
I will indulge your narrative about bans since you desperately want that to be the focus, banning someone for doxxing is fine but yes calls for violence should also be banned. Sadly your ethics are lacking in that regard as well as your legalistic rebuttals that hold no value especially while the orange buffoon is busy doxxing people all the time and the courts somehow never hold him accountable. Now wave away all the troublesome points, you've made your own bed ;^)
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Wednesday November 29 2023, @10:23PM (46 children)
You are attacking people - not the things that they say. You just don't understand that YOU are the problem. You are arguing about what 'Runway1956' does, or what I or other community members do. It is not the people that we are here to discuss. It is ideas, opinions, and points of view regarding the topics under discussion. You have chosen to make your comments under the topic of "When will humans return to the moon".
There is no lack of transparency - the rules that are being enforced have been published and I have brought them to your attention. You don't like them. Hard luck. Either change them or find a site that better suits your own beliefs and opinions.
The rules quite clearly say that you should not be attacking the person - yet still you do it. Just as you did with your earlier account. Your latest series of comments are simply attacks on me - and I simply don't care what you say because you are not saying anything constructive. You haven't changed - but you want the site to change. Then do something about it instead of crying on here that it isn't what you want. Volunteer and do something the change the site rather than repeat the same accusations again and again.
The rules also state that people are free to express their opinions - whether you like them or not. I am not going to moderate people to suit your feelings, not am I about to ban them because you disagree with them. You need to sort yourself out before you start telling others what they should be doing.
So why didn't you argue for aristarchus to be banned in 2015 when he called for "Lynch Whitey"? Where did you insist that someone be banned for encouraging others to take a baseball bat to beat some sense into a community member? These are 2 examples of 'calls for violence' that you were quite happy to accept because, presumably, you agreed with them.
I am not interested in knowing who people are or where they live. My interest starts and stops at our servers.
(Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 29 2023, @11:11PM
I don't see it.
(Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 30 2023, @01:58AM (44 children)
Snowflake says what? That is the stupidest version of debate the ideas I have ever seen. Runaway and other rightwing nutters push lies repeatedly, argue in bad faith, and you want everyone to stick to the ideas only and forget that some users only ever argue in bad faith? Ignore the literal threat of killing all "progressives" whatever that means to a MAGA nutjob? Now you whine about me not personally calling for an aristarchus ban on a shit comment I never saw? Add to that the SN official line of fReE sPeEcH where all shit is allowed excelt when you deem otherwise?
Fuck it, you're a terrible person trying to hide behind some kind of supposed objectivity after ignoring years of personal attacks from users like runaway. Your little tantrum makes it pretty damn clear you are 100% defending runaway and likely are the same person. Conservatives love running their fake personas these days and playing the victim, I see no reason to believe a single word you say. Have fun, I'll chime in only when you get real dumb and not just the love spats between you and ari that are very weirdly persistent.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday November 30 2023, @03:13AM (1 child)
I'll be right back. Need to get more popcorn. In the meantime, I'll leave this.
Past history can be relevant, but only if you present it to the reader. Way back when, I brought [soylentnews.org] up aristarchus's pushed lies and bad faith arguments, I did it right. I brought up and linked three concrete examples of what he was doing (ad hominem attacks on the alleged ignorance of the poster rather than a real argument). I didn't merely assert without proof.
When you just say something, then it can be wrong or even a deliberate lie. When you give three examples? That's how you do it.
Here, we have zero evidence from the aristarchus side, just baseless accusations. Strong signs of yet more bad faith arguments.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 30 2023, @11:15AM
Khallow, you are a sophmoric idiot. The adults are talking here. Shut up and pipe down. We do not need any khallowesque commentary at this juncture. And, yes, it was an insurrection.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by janrinok on Thursday November 30 2023, @07:56AM (41 children)
When your arguments are weak you turn again to insults.
So your issue is a political one rather than you wishing to debate and disprove their 'lies'. On this site people can say what they wish in their own journals, providing they are not contravening US law. The site is not responsible for the content of journals, only for those stories that we publish on the Main Pages.
I am not whining. I am merely pointing out that, again, you seem to be concentrating on one particular political side rather than debating in good faith.
Trying to throw enough mud that you hope some will stick? We are very different people. Yet you have admitted elsewhere that you ran an account pretending to be somebody else. How did that work out for you?
Every post by aristarchus can be moderated as spam. The ban couldn't be any more clear about that.
I am not interested in knowing who people are or where they live. My interest starts and stops at our servers.
(Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 30 2023, @11:19AM
I think the parent post was putting the emphasis on the "nutter" more than the political orientation. These are insane people, trump supporters. Ian Wood. The Kraken. They guy with all the mules. My Pillow person. And this is not an ad hominem, they are certifiably insane. They need to be quarentined, or at least forced to wear a mask. Certainly not to be given free reign over SN.
(Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 30 2023, @02:18PM (3 children)
More evasion and lies? Shocking. Also, I have called out leftwing calls for violence so you're political angle is just more narrative bending.
You have problems, and shifting the blame to others does not work forever.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 30 2023, @05:22PM (2 children)
Uh oh spam mod abuse! Gonna reverse that bad moderation jan? Of course not, arbiter of moderation only when it suits your own sensibilities. How far the site has fallen, from free speech even at the cost of race baiting domestic terrorism to attempts at censoring criticisms when you yourself engage the troll threads and spread your own lying narrative confusing ACs with each other.
Interesting after you tried to make the mod banning of another account some sort of point about political bias. Who knew we would long for the days of the abusive shit bird?? At least they strictly held to their shitty ideology, mostly.
(Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 02 2023, @11:00AM (1 child)
Spam mods are badges of truth, any more. Wear them with pride. Janrinok has lost, and spam mods are the only weapon of he who has lost the debate. Spam the monkey!@ Spam him hard! Spam the alleged or imagined aristarchus, since they may be telling the truth, and some located Arkie is to be protected.
(Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 02 2023, @03:46PM
The doxxing of runaway was a shit move that I agree deserved punishment.
However, runaway definitely bragged about his guns and not caring who might know where he lived, so the lesson from doxxing had a little hilarity to it. Typical rightwingers never care about doxxing doctors or leftwing politicians and judges because their privilege insulates them then suddenly they care when things get real. Combined with the free speech ethos used to defend posting of rightwing violence and hatred the ban for doxxing is quite hypocritical. I still support the ban of doxxers and violence promoting turds, but the situation has pulled the curtain back on SN.
(Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 02 2023, @05:22PM (35 children)
You are the one always defending Runaway1956 even his call to murder 50 million "progressives".
In this thread there was no call to ban or censor Runaway1956 that I just saw reading through, yet you brought that up as a straw man argument. All I am pointing out is that such a pattern of behavior does not match normal site management, even less so for speech you say you find detestable. Why defend against arguments not even made in the thread? Why defend accurate if insulting descriptions of a bigoted liar? Why cry about political bias when the statements made by Runaway1956 are blatantly bigoted and verifiably false?
Your actions and words are your own, and going above and beyond to defend violent racists against mean words is completely unnecessary and something you do not do for other users. You whine that I am the real problem with the site, why does the truth make problems for you? Why do you engage in lies and character assassination while crying about "personal attacks"?
Your hypocrisy and willingness to lie, through ignorance or not, are your own doing.
(Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 04 2023, @07:55AM (34 children)
Um, illegitimate and counter-to-policy spam mod on parent. I did not post that, nor did anyone who could be mistaken for me. This violates stated policy, and appears to be punitive action for criticizing janrinok.
aristarchus
(Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 04 2023, @09:01AM (33 children)
Uh-huh. You have spam modded the signed aristarchus, without rescinding the errant spam mod he informed you of. This is bad form, old chap!
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Monday December 04 2023, @02:48PM (32 children)
I am not interested in knowing who people are or where they live. My interest starts and stops at our servers.
(Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 04 2023, @04:04PM (31 children)
Somehow community spam moderation is allowed at user discretion when the editor in chief (lol wtf with the ego stroking) personally enjoys censoring criticisms. Not racism, not terrorism, not personal attacks against liberal users, but pointing out conservative idiocy and admin hypicrisy is too much!
You've tanked yourself buddy, but please continue blaming your critics. Should have banned AC 100% instead of allowing such nebulous spam moderation. Looks like some community moderations are more equal than others, thanks for confirming you are a cowardly dictator! Hipe more people read this thrrad to see your reaction, though most give you the benefit of the doubt because no one likes the squeaky wheels, but some may retain objectivity.
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Monday December 04 2023, @07:41PM (30 children)
I am NOT the Editor in Chief. It shows how much attention you are paying to the site. I stepped down from that role quite a few months ago.
I am not on the Governance Committee. I have already formally announced that decision, so I will not be taking part in the new Board.
I have 2 formal roles on this site, one of which will end when this sites winds down and the new site is created. I am also a basic editor but whether that continues will depend on the policy decisions that the new Board, which will be elected by the community, decides.
I am not the only person moderating repetitive, off-topic comments as spam when they appear from ACs in various polls and journals. This poll was all about putting men back on the moon - please clarify how your rants against me fit into the topic. If you want things to change you will have to do something to change them, but you seem to be unable to think of anything constructive. If you want me to go all you have to do is step up and volunteer to fill my place. But do it quickly, because when the new site is created you will have to stand for election if you want to fill an administrative post.
I am not your 'buddy'. Whatever gave you that idea?
I am not interested in knowing who people are or where they live. My interest starts and stops at our servers.
(Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 05 2023, @03:12AM (29 children)
Many users have given feedback, most is ignored with a variety of excuses buddy boy.
(Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 05 2023, @06:47AM
Fuck! janrinok cannot even leave with some decorum. So much for British manners. Runaway salutes you! The rest of us will swat him. With a swatter. It is a Metaphor! But he is still a bigoted asshole.
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Tuesday December 05 2023, @12:16PM (27 children)
It has not been ignored - but it does not contravene any current rules. I have told you what needs to be done. Write some new rules and put them out for discussion and let the community decide. But that will require you to actually do something rather than just complain about something that you don't like.
Define 'many users'. The complaints have, in the vast majority of cases, been from 1 account - Anonymous Coward. That is only 1 person because you have told me that nobody can tell the different ACs apart. You want to have it both ways, which is why your repetitive complaining appears to many others to be Spam.
I am not interested in knowing who people are or where they live. My interest starts and stops at our servers.
(Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 05 2023, @03:22PM (5 children)
Funny how you get to decide what is spam. Repetitive lies and threats of violence I consider spam, yet you defend those as free speech. Wear it, own it, you hypocritical defender of fascism. When critics are silenced is the biggest red flag there is.
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Tuesday December 05 2023, @04:12PM (4 children)
You may consider them Spam - but the site rules don't. If it is written by someone in their journal they are free to express themselves as they wish providing it is not illegal under US law.
You want to silence somebody because "you consider it" as necessary - propose a change of rules and let the community decide if they agree with your definitions and demands.
Alternatively, just leave. I'm sure that you will find another site somewhere and, in time, you will forget about Runaway1956 and will recover them the grief that he is apparently causing you. Or just stop reading his journals....
I am not interested in knowing who people are or where they live. My interest starts and stops at our servers.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 05 2023, @05:21PM (3 children)
Exactly, yet you allow criticisms of the SN site and some of its users to be modded spam. Are you really this thick? Are you perhaps a poorly trained GPT BOT? Last I heard criticizing institutions was the beadrock of free speech. Which moderations you allow and which you decide are mod abuse says everything that needs to be said about Soylent News. It is very simple.
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Tuesday December 05 2023, @08:38PM (2 children)
I take it you will be leaving then.....
If they are off-topic in the place that the criticisms are being raised, if they are repetitive, and if they contribute nothing to the topic under discussion, then I think it is reasonable for people to judge them as being spam.
You have made you point. You don't like it. I have told you how to change it. You seem to be incapable of doing that. Nothing will change simply because you object to it. Write some new rules and let the community decide. I cannot make it any easier for you to understand. Whinging is NOT going the change the rules that are currently in force.
I am not interested in knowing who people are or where they live. My interest starts and stops at our servers.
(Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 05 2023, @09:14PM
How about a poll where such community input will not be off-topic, then?
Proposed Poll:
WTF is wrong with SoylenyNews?
(Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 05 2023, @09:58PM
The rules are violated with impunity and you are the judge allowing abuse. I have no hope of you changing, but I feel the community should be aware of how shitty you truly are. You have had a hundred opportunities to be less shitty, yet you continue to engage threads you don't like so you can spam mod more TOR addresses. You are pathetic and it is my easure to highlight your lies and hypocrisy. I used to think you were reasonable and just having to handle the real spammers, then you revealed you knew about sock puppeters for a long time and let them continue even as hemocyanin worked overtime to prove their existence. You allow moderation abuse based on your personal feelings, you track users carefully, and you make false statements. When called out for moderation abuse you fall back on "that is illegal" or "that opinion is spam" when neither are true, while allowing bigotry (filth by site rules) and threats of violence as free speech.
You are a broken human being purveying rightwing bigotry and hate no matter how many times you say otherwise. If one person is allowed to threaten genocide surely SN can handle critics calling out luars and nazis, but nope, not on jan's watch! No more excusing your shitty behavior, you drew the lines yourself.
(Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 05 2023, @08:19PM (20 children)
Funny, repetitive spam modding and defense of Runaway I consider to be spam! Who'd've thought? Not surprising, janrinok is just continues the staff practice of labelling community input they do not like as "spam". TMB used to do this a lot. Makes things so much simpler. Makes the trains run on time. Only janrinok can fix this. What do you call a website fascist?
(Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 06 2023, @05:19PM (17 children)
Content removal! Here I thought removing content was not possible due to rehash crashing the database. Turns out it was just another lie, SN admins reserve the right to employ actual censorship which also makes the accusation of doxxing seem flimsy since janrinok said the info is still in the database if you know where to look. Why not remove such data like they are doing right now?
Turtles all the way down
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Wednesday December 06 2023, @06:53PM (16 children)
We have been removing images posted in journals for several months. We removed the APK spam about a year ago. The problem with deletions causing crashes was resolved a long time ago. Everybody is well aware of this. You are just stirring the pot. Again.
There is information still in the database - you are welcome to look for it if you wish.
I thought that you were leaving - what is holding you back?
I am not interested in knowing who people are or where they live. My interest starts and stops at our servers.
(Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 06 2023, @08:16PM (15 children)
"I take it you will be leaving then....."
"I thought that you were leaving - what is holding you back?"
Looks like your favorite passive agressive tactics. I'm happy to see you more and more demonstrate publicly your lack of transparency and community hostility. At least you still have the hard core alt righters backing you up. You allowed sock puppets to use moderation as narrative controls and now you allow abuse to try and ban tor users. The best part is instead of marking the beginning of this thread as flamebait or offtopic you decided to defend accurate descriptions of runaway then tried to justify your the abusive spam mods. Funny how your unwanted lying accusations never get modded as spam no matter how many times you post them. Real do as I say not as I do vibes.
You still suck ass.
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Thursday December 07 2023, @07:48AM (14 children)
The truth is quite the opposite. Since 2021 we have removed over 800 sock puppet accounts from the full spectrum of different views and opinions. I was not an Admin before 2021 so I cannot be blamed for whatever went before that time.
I have no wish to ban the use of TOR. This is entirely in your imagination. I do not know which connections are via TOR or by VPN unless you tell me, nor do I care. They can be used anywhere on the site. There is a slightly modified procedure for creating new accounts if you use secure email but that is to prevent the creation of new sock puppet accounts. Nevertheless, new genuine accounts are created regularly using secure email addresses. All that is required is that you contact the administration by email - by secure email is perfectly acceptable.
How you connect to the site and from where is of no interest to me. Stopping spam abuse in discussions on the site is, however, part of my remit.
Go look at all of the front page stories. Show me where moderation is being used unfairly, or where anyone is trying to control the narrative. The problem is those who abuse other people's journals or Polls to have off-topic rants or ignore the site's pollcies despite the fact that they have personally chosen to be ACs which restricts their access to the site.
I surmise that ari prefers the use of VPNs but that you are a TOR user - based entirely on what both of you have written in your comments.
I am not interested in knowing who people are or where they live. My interest starts and stops at our servers.
(Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 07 2023, @10:25AM (12 children)
WTF is a "secure email address"? One with a phone number and billing address attached to it? No one is fooled by your attempts to turn SN into a MI6 honeypot, janrinok. You are banning all new users who wish to not be doxxed.
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Thursday December 07 2023, @10:45AM (10 children)
Which new users have been banned?
I am not interested in knowing who people are or where they live. My interest starts and stops at our servers.
(Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 07 2023, @08:15PM (9 children)
Nearly all of them? Did you not say more than 20,000? There never will be a SoylentNews effect.
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Thursday December 07 2023, @09:15PM (8 children)
You are referring to the fake accounts - not sock puppets. All the fake accounts are active but have no real user. See, you don't know what you are talking about so you just spout lies.
I am not interested in knowing who people are or where they live. My interest starts and stops at our servers.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 08 2023, @01:11AM (7 children)
Few months ago I tried creating an account, had to try a few email providers before one finally worked. When logging in it sort of worked but I could not post or up/down vote anything. Next time I tried it said account was disabled, thanks for explaining in this thread.
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Friday December 08 2023, @06:56AM (2 children)
What account name did you use? Which account do you expect us to investigate?
Did you report that bug. You could either log in or you couldn't - what does 'it sort of worked' mean? Where did you try to post? Journals can restrict who can post in them. What error messages did you see? Did you receive any emails? If you did, did you respond to them?
If you help us we can help you but, as it stands, this is simply a comment by an AC who has provided no evidence at all that he/she ever successfully created an account.
I am not interested in knowing who people are or where they live. My interest starts and stops at our servers.
(Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 09 2023, @07:05AM
janrinok is the bug. He is the authoritarian of SoylentNews, and will brook no criticism, or attacks on Nazis, Racists, Mass Murders, Coupon Clippers, Pedophiles, jmorris, or Runaway1956. We need to fix this bug. Purge the janrinok, to save SN. Quickly.
(Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 09 2023, @11:51PM
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as it stands, this is simply a comment by an AC who has provided no evidence at all that he/she ever successfully created an account.
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You answer your own questions with such an attitude. Simple account creation should not be difficult, and dealing with hostile admins is a big red flag.
(Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 11 2023, @09:28PM (3 children)
I tried creating a new account a while ago, too. The admin answering emails kept shouting, "You're aristarchus! I know you are! Access denied!" Strange fellow, rather obsessed. One star, would not attempt to subscribe again.
(Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 14 2023, @05:33AM (2 children)
Similiar experience have I. And, I am not even aristarchus! That guy really has them all spooked, don't he?
(Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 18 2023, @05:39AM (1 child)
Doctor's orders, jan. They may be in French, but you need to step back from the SN wars, and just admit that aristarchus has won. It will be much better for you, health-wise, and really not give the craven Greek philosopher any advantage. Your interventions have only served to heighten the drama, and drive away all but the most right-wing idiots. VLM, and Dadafoody, swarth in the mire you have left. Please, seek a dignified end, Janrinok. Repudiate the deplorables. It is the least you can do.
(Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 20 2023, @05:03AM
I hope janrinok follows his doctor's orders, and detaches himself from the Brexit and MAGA crowd. Would be a shame if he kicked the bucket in a plexiconorum of hatred against non-white Britains. Peace, janrinok.
(Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 07 2023, @03:45PM
Maybe you should not feed the troll thread then? I know, personal responsibility, your kryptonite! Also stop defending the deplorable murderous conservatives, we already know you have a soft spot for their lies and will only allow spam mods against the offtopic rants you don't like. You can stop defending them every time someone calls them stupid.
(Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 18 2023, @06:38AM
Once again, janrinok surmises incorrectly. Makes one wonder how often this occurs? Aristarchus appears to be everywhere, and SN has no ability to ban him, so the attempted censorship has failed? Oh, go ahead and spam mod my speculation, like that will help anything. Janrinok has no idea about the efficacy of his policies, other than it is killing SoylentNews. Kind of like chemotherapy, no?
(Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 20 2023, @05:18AM
Can I have another "Spam" mod, please? Put it right here, where janrinok "touched" me, the last time.
(Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 13 2023, @07:41AM
Some of us were there. We say the staff directed hatred aimed at a critic of the alt-right. Your excuses serve you poorly, janrinok.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 26 2023, @07:56PM (1 child)
One sign of age-related dementia is the sharing of spurious internet quotes.
Socrates’ ‘slander becomes the tool of the loser’ quote is false [aap.com.au]
Lies and falsehoods become the tools of a looser. Including slandering Socrates, and philosophy in general.
Seems legit, not!
We'll put a Hanlon's razor on this one.
(Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 12 2023, @07:05AM
So, it seems, SoylentNews Admin has totally lost it's marbles? Janrinok is quite insane? Or, just a Brit out in the Noon-day sun.
(Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 09 2023, @07:02AM
Maybe Runaway likes being spanked? This is the only conclusion I can come to. His positions are so much the "assume the position" positions I recall from High School, that I think it may have stuck for him. This is why he wanted to be doxxed, and why he keeps asking to be spanked in his journals? Could be, makes sense. Have a whack on me, Runaway!