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posted by martyb on Wednesday January 05 2022, @06:54PM   Printer-friendly [Skip to comment(s)]
from the it's-nice-to-be-nice dept.
[UPDATE: 2022-01-05 20:48:08 UTC]
We are aware there are some issues (dead links) where indicated by links to "here" in the story. It seems to be a long-dormant bug in the code. Will address this issue when addressing any other issues raised here. In the meantime, try using the links that appear in the liked-to article, directly, at: ( https://soylentnews.org/faq.pl?op=moderation#spam . Yes, we are aware that those are not the best examples and we are aware that those examples may need to be updated to point to better ones. --martyb

I've been made aware of some discussions about the permitted use of the "Spam" moderation. This has spawned a great deal of discussion among Soylent staff.

What's The Point?
The whole purpose of comment moderation is for an (early) reader of a comment is to provide guidance to later readers. Like "breaking trail" for others when hiking through deep snow. The "Trail breaker" makes it eaier to navigate the path for those who follow. Before we dive into the Spam, it is important to note that it is encouraged to "upmod" more than one "downmods". I receive an e-mail each day that includes the number of each that were performed on the preceding day. I am happy to report that I generally see 2x to 4x more upmods than downmods! YAY!

Where to start?
Start at the at the top of the Left-Hand side of the Main page. There one can find a link to the FAQ. Click that link and scroll down to the link about our Moderation System. Click that link. Located there is a list of items including one on the Spam Mod.

There it states:

Spam Mod

The spam moderation (spam mod) is to be used only on comments that genuinely qualify as spam. Spam is unsolicited advertisement, undesired and offtopic filth, or possibly illegal in general. Spam can come in many forms, but it differs from a troll comment in that it will have absolutely no substance, is completely undesired, is detrimental to the site, or worse.

The spam mod is special in that is removes 10 Karma points from the user that posted the comment. This mod is meant to combat spam and not to be used to punish commenters (when in doubt, don't use this mod). Our goal is to put a spammer in Karma Hell and for them to not be able to get out of it easily. As we do not want this used against non-spamers, we monitor all spam mods to make sure moderators are not abusing the spam mod. If we find a moderator that unfairly applied the spam mod, we remove the mod giving the poster back the Karma points, and the modder is banned from modding for one month. Further bans to the same modder add increasing amounts of ban time. If you inadvertently applied a spam mod, mail the admin and we will remove the spam mod without banning you. Even though we have updated the interface to physically separate the spam mod from the other mods, unintentional modding may still be an unfortunate occurrence.

Examples

If you are unsure of whether a comment is spam or not, don't use the spam mod. Here are some examples of spam:

  • Proper spam. Anything whose primary purpose is advertisement (unless somehow relevant to the discussion/article).
  • HOSTS/GNAA/etc... type posts. Recurring, useless annoyances we're all familiar with.
  • Posts so offtopic and lacking value to even be a troll that they can't be called anything else. See here, here or here for example.
  • Repeating the same thing over and over. This includes blockquoting entire comments without adding anything substantial to them.

These examples cannot cover every type of Spam that you might encounter. Please exercise common sense. We expect all comments to be on-topic or following a clearly defined thread that has developed as part of the discussion. Raising personal complaints or starting completely new discussions unrelated to the main story are certainly off-topic and also possibly trolling. Remember: if in doubt do not use the Spam moderation.

"Sock Mods" and "Mod Bombs":
You may ask: "What's that?". Simply stated, when a logged-in-user, uses one (or more) account(s) to "updmod" other account(s) in unison. This is similar to using other account(s) to "Downmod" one (or more) account(s) in unison. Both practices are Forbidden. As always, when such activity is discovered, Admins notice and discuss it to confirm the observation with other admins. Actions taken can range from a ban on moderations (for increasing durations for repeat offenders) to an outright ban on use of the accounts(s). We have observed such activity happening recently and are preparing to take action. Similarly, when several accounts can be shown to have repeatedly cooperated to prevent someone from expressing their opinion or have given other accounts an unfair advantage then that can also be a form of 'bombing'. My advice is: stop right now. We do not like taking such actions, but it would be unfair to those who DO follow the rules for us to ignore such activities.

Summary:
(1) simply follow Wheaton's Law:

Don't Be a Dick

(2) "Say what you mean, mean what you say, but don't say it mean."

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  • (Score: 2, Insightful) by fustakrakich on Wednesday January 05 2022, @07:18PM (12 children)

    by fustakrakich (6150) on Wednesday January 05 2022, @07:18PM (#1210216) Journal

    blank, blank, and blank

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    • (Score: 4, Informative) by Thexalon on Wednesday January 05 2022, @07:33PM (5 children)

      by Thexalon (636) on Wednesday January 05 2022, @07:33PM (#1210219)

      I did some hacking into what variables were missing, and these worked:
      Here [soylentnews.org]
      Here [soylentnews.org]
      Here [soylentnews.org]

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      The only thing that stops a bad guy with a compiler is a good guy with a compiler.
      • (Score: 2) by martyb on Wednesday January 05 2022, @07:46PM (1 child)

        by martyb (76) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday January 05 2022, @07:46PM (#1210227) Journal

        Thanks for the investigation!

        That first link seems to be just a "Troll" mod. Will consider using the others when we update.

        teamwork++

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        Wit is intellect, dancing.
      • (Score: 2) by istartedi on Wednesday January 05 2022, @08:52PM (2 children)

        by istartedi (123) on Wednesday January 05 2022, @08:52PM (#1210263) Journal

        That last one is vile, but not spam. They put some "thought" into who they thought ought to be killed, and how society should be ordered according to the Bible. I'd hit it with Troll or Disagree.

        • (Score: 3, Informative) by martyb on Wednesday January 05 2022, @09:54PM (1 child)

          by martyb (76) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday January 05 2022, @09:54PM (#1210300) Journal

          That "last one" was yet another instance of an oft-repeated spamming of the site. A user repeatedly referenced Deuteronomy and advocating taking young girls as brides. That comment had not Germaine to the story it was posted to. The wording was that way to avoid the comment filters that were in effect. IOW the user was continually advocating pedophilia; we had received numerous complaints about these posts.

          It was modded as spam by an admin as well as "troll" and "flamebait" by other users -- all with a few minutes of each other.

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          Wit is intellect, dancing.
          • (Score: 2) by istartedi on Wednesday January 05 2022, @10:36PM

            by istartedi (123) on Wednesday January 05 2022, @10:36PM (#1210319) Journal

            Ah, OK. If it is repeated, then yes it's spam. I never saw that one before, I suppose because moderation works and I'm not usually browsing at that level.

    • (Score: 2) by martyb on Wednesday January 05 2022, @07:38PM (5 children)

      by martyb (76) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday January 05 2022, @07:38PM (#1210223) Journal

      Great catch! That was copied, verbatim, from the docs. =(

      Looks like they need an update. Will get to it along with other issues that may be reported here.

      Thank you!

      --
      Wit is intellect, dancing.
      • (Score: 2) by janrinok on Wednesday January 05 2022, @07:44PM (3 children)

        by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday January 05 2022, @07:44PM (#1210225) Journal
        That is strange - I accessed them all without a problem when I was doing the 2nd ed.
        • (Score: 2) by martyb on Thursday January 06 2022, @10:07PM (2 children)

          by martyb (76) Subscriber Badge on Thursday January 06 2022, @10:07PM (#1210670) Journal

          That is strange - I accessed them all without a problem when I was doing the 2nd ed.

          Was that in preview (as I suspect) or a separately-loaded page? The code there has bitten me before. Quite different code paths are taken to render the text for the browser in those two places!

          --
          Wit is intellect, dancing.
          • (Score: 2) by janrinok on Friday January 07 2022, @01:55AM (1 child)

            by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Friday January 07 2022, @01:55AM (#1210738) Journal
            It was in preview.
            • (Score: 2) by martyb on Friday January 07 2022, @03:05PM

              by martyb (76) Subscriber Badge on Friday January 07 2022, @03:05PM (#1210851) Journal

              It was in preview.

              That's what I suspected. IIRC, there is a different code path taken when it comes to *actually* rendering the page. It's bit me before. :(

              Watch for instances where the text you are looking at contains an ampersand (like in a URL). My memory is fuzzy, but I ISTR we need to watch for places line this:

              Where we have just "&", we need to have "&"

              I hope that renders correctly! Yes, it hurts my brain, too!

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              Wit is intellect, dancing.
      • (Score: 2) by janrinok on Wednesday January 05 2022, @07:49PM

        by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday January 05 2022, @07:49PM (#1210228) Journal
        They've all disappeared again!
  • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 05 2022, @07:45PM (29 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 05 2022, @07:45PM (#1210226)

    #3 was not spam, ffs. it was (obviously) a sarcastic response to the article. One could reasonably mod it "flamebait", or stretching a bit, "troll", but not "spam".

    • (Score: 2) by janrinok on Wednesday January 05 2022, @07:54PM (28 children)

      by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday January 05 2022, @07:54PM (#1210230) Journal

      undesired and offtopic filth?

      Don't know because I suddenly can't get to the links again. That's the problem with definitions....

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 05 2022, @08:08PM (6 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 05 2022, @08:08PM (#1210242)

        I know you don't have a dev, which is a reason the site should probably be rebuilt, but soam mods should be collected on a page so it is easy for the community to review.

        • (Score: 2) by janrinok on Wednesday January 05 2022, @08:18PM (4 children)

          by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday January 05 2022, @08:18PM (#1210245) Journal

          chicken and egg - rebuild the site - need a dev - don't have a dev - so rebuild the site..... But that is straying off-topic

          Not yet sure what you mean by gather some mods on a page so that they can be reviewed? Reviewed by whom, to achieve what end?

          Finally, to go back to my original comment. If the Hans Reiser comment was in the middle of a discussion of Whale Fishing by the Japanese - would it be Spam or the response to a comment made in a completely different story? Context is everything and, as I cannot access some parts of the site(? - does happen to me here in France from time to time) I cannot check to be certain.

          • (Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 05 2022, @09:03PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 05 2022, @09:03PM (#1210266)

            was more entertaining to view:
            * someone make perfectly good sashimi into spam: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kwFiZpgBwj8 [youtube.com]
            * someone make spam into sushi: https://tastecooking.com/15-flavors-spam-counting/ [tastecooking.com]

          • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 05 2022, @09:38PM (2 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 05 2022, @09:38PM (#1210291)

            Links to comments that have been spam modded will help maintain transparency with the community and allow better discussions about mod abuse. The community is tasked with policing itself, such a drastic punishment as the spam mod should have more transparency, easiest is to simply have a page listing spam modded comments.

            • (Score: 2) by martyb on Wednesday January 05 2022, @10:15PM (1 child)

              by martyb (76) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday January 05 2022, @10:15PM (#1210312) Journal

              The text appearing in this story giving examples of spam was copied verbatim from just such a page on this site. As noted in the story's update, we have encountered a bug in the site. Fear not! The original list still exists on the site and can still be accessed. This story provided steps taken to get to that page; one only needs to repeat those steps to get to the list. Yes, it seems that section could stand an update. We are intending to do so. We will hold off on making those changes while those sections are currently being referred to.

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              Wit is intellect, dancing.
              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 05 2022, @11:54PM

                by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 05 2022, @11:54PM (#1210351)

                Link?

        • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 05 2022, @09:00PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 05 2022, @09:00PM (#1210265)

          It just seems like opening a restaurant, without knowing how to cook.

      • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 05 2022, @08:24PM (19 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 05 2022, @08:24PM (#1210249)

        no. offtopic filth is "offtopic" and "filth for the sake of filth and/or disruption".

        Why is it that mods can't seem to distinguish between "i find your opinion highly distasteful" and "spam"? they are not the same thing. and that's the ones who are not knowingly dishonest in their spam mods and using them to censor.

        • (Score: 2) by janrinok on Wednesday January 05 2022, @08:29PM

          by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday January 05 2022, @08:29PM (#1210252) Journal
        • (Score: 5, Insightful) by tangomargarine on Wednesday January 05 2022, @08:44PM (17 children)

          by tangomargarine (667) on Wednesday January 05 2022, @08:44PM (#1210258)

          You AC guys should really find a word other than "censorship" to apply here.

          Modding down posts is not censorship because you can still see them (oh no, my arms are broken, I can't change my browsing level or expand collapsed comments...). Censorship would be removing comments.

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          • (Score: -1, Disagree) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 05 2022, @09:03PM (12 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 05 2022, @09:03PM (#1210267)

            You are downmodding the posts so fewer people see them, and some people (with their settings) are guaranteed to not see them at all. That's pretty much what censorship is.

            • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 05 2022, @10:02PM (11 children)

              by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 05 2022, @10:02PM (#1210305)

              No, you're arguing that printing a story on page 2 of a newspaper is censorship because some people have decided that they want to read newspapers by not opening them up. Not allowing it to be printed is censorship. Lowering a moderation threshold below someone's arbitrary browsing level isn't (what level is appropriate in your mind? 1? 2? Maybe it is censorship it it is below 5??)

              • (Score: 0, Troll) by Mockingbird on Wednesday January 05 2022, @10:09PM (10 children)

                by Mockingbird (15239) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday January 05 2022, @10:09PM (#1210309) Journal

                Censorship on SN is forward thinking: it is not a matter of concealing or removing a post already made, instead it is aimed at preventing that poster from being able to do so in the future. If karma falls low even, the user is unable to post as AC. At some lower level of karma, the user will have all posting disabled. This is what happened to Ethanol_fueled, and is why he only posts in IRC.

                • (Score: 2) by martyb on Wednesday January 05 2022, @10:32PM (9 children)

                  by martyb (76) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday January 05 2022, @10:32PM (#1210317) Journal

                  Censorship on SN is forward thinking: it is not a matter of concealing or removing a post already made, instead it is aimed at preventing that poster from being able to do so in the future. If karma falls low even, the user is unable to post as AC. At some lower level of karma, the user will have all posting disabled. This is what happened to Ethanol_fueled, and is why he only posts in IRC.

                  Comprehension fail. The comment is still there and can still be accessed.

                  Nothing has been removed.

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                  Wit is intellect, dancing.
                  • (Score: 1, Informative) by Mockingbird on Thursday January 06 2022, @01:41AM (8 children)

                    by Mockingbird (15239) Subscriber Badge on Thursday January 06 2022, @01:41AM (#1210391) Journal

                    Reading comprehension fail? I was referring to the comments that never get posted in the first place, because the poster is banned. That is what karma is for.

                    • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday January 06 2022, @02:08AM (3 children)

                      by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday January 06 2022, @02:08AM (#1210394) Homepage Journal

                      I would like to see some verification that any registered user has ever been banned. Someone mentioned Ethanol Fueled somewhere, implying that he was banned. Can anyone verify that?

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                      • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 06 2022, @03:31AM (2 children)

                        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 06 2022, @03:31AM (#1210417)

                        Just try logging into your sock puppet accounts, you'll see oh unhinged repugnican with the memory of an amoeba.

                        • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday January 06 2022, @04:26AM (1 child)

                          by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday January 06 2022, @04:26AM (#1210434) Homepage Journal

                          I specified "registered user". As in, a real user. A single, individual person. And, obviously, the banned sock puppets can still post - aristarchus is proving that almost on a daily basis. Apparently they are MOD banned, but ari still posts here.

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                          • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 06 2022, @04:52AM

                            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 06 2022, @04:52AM (#1210441)

                            Whatabout whatabout! Starting to think you've invested a lot of effort into cloning Ari's speech patterns to false flag him. Degenerates like you have no scruples and believe the ends always justify the means. Just stop boyo.

                    • (Score: 3, Informative) by janrinok on Thursday January 06 2022, @09:05AM

                      by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Thursday January 06 2022, @09:05AM (#1210478) Journal

                      I was referring to the comments that never get posted in the first place, because the poster is banned

                      Are you complaining that people who are banned cannot post stories or make comments? What do you think the word 'ban' means? But ACs can submit stories and make comments so there is literally nobody who can ever be in this state. Perhaps your opening comment should be "....because the account is banned for preventing others from expressing themselves in comments"

                      The only current (but temporary) bans that I am aware of are all for moderation abuse arising from the use of sock puppets. They were used in an attempt to abuse the karma system to prevent other users from expressing their views or to give the controlling account an unfair advantage in discussions. Sock puppets are forbidden, and will not only be banned but could also be disabled preventing the same username being used again on another account. We always attempt to contact them prior to such action being taken by a direct Admin-to-User message and by sending an email to the email address that they have provided - which we realise might no longer be active.

                      We do not discuss such matters publicly but they are invited to contact us at the usual Admin email address to defend their position. This is to protect the abused users from having their personal information revealed. It is not something that the abuser can waive.

                      Lets assume that isn't what you are suggesting.

                      If a user cannot maintain a level of karma sufficient to keep his/her ability to post alive then (s)he must not be submitting acceptable submissions, and (s)he is not making any relevant comments, and (s)he is repeatedly receiving negative moderations for the comments that (s)he does make. If this is the state of affairs over a long and extended period of time then I think the moderation system is working as designed. Even staying silent does not allow the karma to decay to a level where it would affect an account's ability to function. The system encourages members of our community to behave reasonably and, as you probably know, we ask that there be far more positive moderations given than negative ones. But there has to be something worth moderating positively to start the ball rolling.

                      You have had a couple of submissions accepted and you are posting comments now so I take it that this discussion is entirely theoretical?

                    • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 07 2022, @03:58AM (2 children)

                      by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 07 2022, @03:58AM (#1210758)

                      I was referring to the comments that never get posted in the first place

                      That's happened to me. I get banned for saying something like "Being a Trump supporter is automatically racist, while endorsing CRT is not. It's not just slippery, it's a slimy slope." Last I checked, it was at 5 mods, but some like that have hit 10, with net result of +/- 1, and it doesn't take more than a couple of posts to ban one of these dynamic IP addresses. I also said that running this place without a programmer, is like opening a restaurant, without knowing how to cook.

                      In the long run, I appreciate that I didn't squander those banned words, especially when I scan the context, and I'm glad to not be part of it. I'm finally returning to a project I'd shelved for too long, feigning writer's block. If you wonder at all, you can see a lot of my posts in a couple of nostyle journals, and schtick like "prehensile ass." So feel free to ban me again. You don't need the likes of me, anyway.

                      I drink Dr Pepper, and I'm proud
                      I'm part of an original crowd

                      • (Score: 2) by janrinok on Friday January 07 2022, @08:33AM (1 child)

                        by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Friday January 07 2022, @08:33AM (#1210790) Journal

                        I get banned for saying something like .....

                        I think that you mean you get 'moderated' not banned. There has never been a ban issued by us against your username.

                        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 07 2022, @04:25PM

                          by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 07 2022, @04:25PM (#1210875)

                          I get banned from over-zealous moderation that results in too many -1 scores. Some moderators trigger so easily.

          • (Score: 3, Disagree) by Freeman on Wednesday January 05 2022, @10:03PM (2 children)

            by Freeman (732) on Wednesday January 05 2022, @10:03PM (#1210306) Journal

            It's a form of censorship, yet a milder one than straight-up removing said comments. Still, censorship is kind of a dirty word in the USA.

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            • (Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 06 2022, @03:23AM (1 child)

              by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 06 2022, @03:23AM (#1210412)

              Censorship is certainly not looked down by Republicans gerrymandering the vote and trying every trick in the book to censor coters.

              Blocking someone from voting via shenanigans is a far more serious form of censorship than modding a comment to oblivion.

              But that doesn't matter to all the whiners complaining it's censorship, because the far right libertarians don't want equal rights for all. Just for "the right kind of people." White supremists. Trumptards. But if you think YOU will be on their good side when they ultimately triumph, you'll be sadly mistaken. See "useful idiot."

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 07 2022, @07:53PM

                by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 07 2022, @07:53PM (#1210929)

                This country was built by White people for White people. Access to Whites and the civilizations they build is not a human right. Non-Whites are incompatible with Whites and have no business here. Never have, never will.

                Don't bother with your lame BS about "indigenous peoples". They were just previous migrants who built nothing much. No, the mounds, neoliths, and pyramids were not engineered by Mongoloid hunter-gatherers. They should have been pushed north and south instead of kept as curiosities.

          • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 06 2022, @06:00PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 06 2022, @06:00PM (#1210583)

            >> You AC guys should really find a word other than "censorship" to apply here.

            Blackballing

      • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Wednesday January 05 2022, @11:29PM

        by fustakrakich (6150) on Wednesday January 05 2022, @11:29PM (#1210337) Journal

        Don't know because I suddenly can't get to the links again.

        They were found *here* [soylentnews.org], say thanks to him...

        https://soylentnews.org/comments.pl?noupdate=1&sid=11580&page=1&cid=287626

        The noupdate=1& is missing in the submission links

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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 05 2022, @08:13PM (80 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 05 2022, @08:13PM (#1210244)

    The informal decision to allow spam modding of racism is what caused the old admin to leave along with a number of conservative users including Ethanol-Fueled who apparently only stuck around to spread racism in every comment. The continued use of spam modding for racism seems to have angered some conservative users so they are being petty and abusing the spam mod.

    That is it, no one is unclear on how it works. Sounds like admins need to review spam mods, give a warning to anyone abusing the spam mod, then modban for whatever time on the next offense. Can staff leave messages for users on the site, or just through email?

    Civility would be nice, but as a community we're fractured on basic reality so that simply won't happen.

    • (Score: 3, Informative) by janrinok on Wednesday January 05 2022, @08:24PM

      by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday January 05 2022, @08:24PM (#1210248) Journal

      Can staff leave messages for users on the site

      Yes, but there is no equivalent system for users to reply.

    • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 05 2022, @08:27PM (13 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 05 2022, @08:27PM (#1210251)

      Put a racism tag out there. Flag racist comments for what they are. If that affects "conservative" users, maybe they should stop making racist statements.

      • (Score: 2) by tangomargarine on Wednesday January 05 2022, @08:40PM

        by tangomargarine (667) on Wednesday January 05 2022, @08:40PM (#1210256)

        More broadly, a "Bigot" mod would be better, since people tend to use the term "racist" for a lot of things that have nothing to do with race, or are blurrily related to race (e.g. Jewish).

        --
        "Is that really true?" "I just spent the last hour telling you to think for yourself! Didn't you hear anything I said?"
      • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 05 2022, @08:44PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 05 2022, @08:44PM (#1210259)

        There is nothing wrong with racism, unless it's pro-white, evidently. Nature is a racist. Following nature's laws is the righteous state of man. Whites need to work for White interests. Stop giving everything your forefathers fought for to your children's enemies, and stop letting the enemy teach your children to commit racial suicide.

        https://odysee.com/@natall:0/william-pierce-race-suicide:d [odysee.com]

        • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 05 2022, @09:41PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 05 2022, @09:41PM (#1210292)

          Burn in hell Nazi ;-)

      • (Score: 0, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 05 2022, @09:06PM (8 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 05 2022, @09:06PM (#1210269)

        Ok, I'll bite. In trade, can we get a "socialist propaganda" mod too?

        • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 05 2022, @09:14PM (7 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 05 2022, @09:14PM (#1210275)

          As long as whomever uses it has to explain what socialism actually is, and it sure as hell isn't anything that you hear on Fox News. Years ago one of the afternoon talking dickheads was bitching about how Warren Buffet said that the rich need to pay their fair share and advocated raising their taxes. This dickhead actually called Buffet a socialist. If you don't know why that is crazy, then you need to go back to school yourself.

          • (Score: 0, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 05 2022, @11:58PM (6 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 05 2022, @11:58PM (#1210354)

            Yes. I see how this goes. Only you get to decide who deserves the derogatory mod. You can call people racists, but nobody can call you socialist. You can dish it out but you can't take it.

            • (Score: 5, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 06 2022, @01:31AM (1 child)

              by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 06 2022, @01:31AM (#1210388)

              No, just pointing out that you're too ignorant to know what words such as "socialist" and I would bet "critical race theory" actually mean.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 06 2022, @03:40AM

                by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 06 2022, @03:40AM (#1210422)

                But I haven’t said anything to you except that I would like a “socialist propaganda” mod if we are adding new mods. How on earth can you then say i know nothing about socialism? Clearly, your stance is to deny anyone the RIGHT to criticize a post as being socialist propaganda. It’s like blasphemy: not to be tolerated.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 06 2022, @03:07AM (3 children)

              by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 06 2022, @03:07AM (#1210404)

              No, I am a proud socialist. I an glad to be recognized aa someone to whom people matter more than money.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 06 2022, @03:45AM (2 children)

                by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 06 2022, @03:45AM (#1210427)

                Which people?

                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 06 2022, @05:08AM (1 child)

                  by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 06 2022, @05:08AM (#1210447)

                  All of them except you. You're going to the wall.

                  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 06 2022, @07:57AM

                    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 06 2022, @07:57AM (#1210470)

                    all in all you're just another prick in the wall

      • (Score: 2) by PiMuNu on Thursday January 06 2022, @10:55AM

        by PiMuNu (3823) Subscriber Badge on Thursday January 06 2022, @10:55AM (#1210489)

        > Put a racism tag out there.

        There is nothing wrong with racism per se. For example "Black people have darker coloured skin than white people" is a racist comment (as is the converse), but I don't think anyone would reasonably object to it. So if racism is a tag, then it should be Mod 0. I know this is not what you mean, but we are all software/tech types where semantics are absolutely important.

        Obviously racism can be used negatively as well, as can many other naive prejudices, along with the usual collection of swear words and other insults.

    • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 05 2022, @08:39PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 05 2022, @08:39PM (#1210255)

      So the truth comes out. At least some admins are complicit in censoring via allowing spam mod abuse (if not outright deleting, which seems to happen as well) as long as it's deemed Wrong Speak by some Cultural Marxist agent.

      • (Score: 0, Offtopic) by aristarchus on Thursday January 06 2022, @06:36AM

        by aristarchus (2645) on Thursday January 06 2022, @06:36AM (#1210461) Journal

        Not just complicit, enabling, and supporting. #Freearistarchus is not just a tagline!

    • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 05 2022, @09:20PM (40 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 05 2022, @09:20PM (#1210280)

      The issue that spawned this matter was two spam mods that I applied in the discussion here [soylentnews.org]. This led to a lengthy thread on the topic and, apparently, significant discussion on IRC here [sylnt.us] and here [sylnt.us].

      The user I spam modded frequently criticizes the alt-right on a variety of matters. I wholeheartedly agree with this user in their criticisms of the alt-right and have posted many comments of my own that harshly criticize the alt-right. I most certainly did not apply the spam mods because I disagree with the user, that I wish to censor their views, or in some sort of retaliatory action. It would make zero sense for me to use the spam mod for the purpose of silencing users for their political opinions when, in fact, I agree with those opinions.

      I do have a problem when users repeatedly and flagrantly violate the site's rules about sock puppets, then deny their obvious violations of the site's policies as an excuse to cause even more disruption. My reasons for applying the spam mods are explained in a comment within the discussion thread I linked to earlier in this post. Again, I very much agree with the political views this user promotes. One can agree with a person's views and still strongly disapprove of that person's actions. The two comments that were spam modded were not expressions of political speech, but more denials of running sock puppets to disrupt discussions and abuse the moderation system.

      The admins have been fair with me. I appreciate that they carefully deliberated the appropriateness of the two spam mods. I accept and respect their decision that the mods should be overturned.

      However, as a community, we should not be accepting when users repeatedly violate the site's rules. Everyone needs to play by the rules, regardless of whether or not we agree with their political views. When the rules say that sock puppets are forbidden, that doesn't mean we should make an exception for people to run sock puppets when we agree with them on politics.

      I hope that people appreciate that the admins take these matters seriously, try to be fair to everyone, and are doing their best to promote healthy discussion on this site. I hope that we, as a community, can appreciate their efforts, follow the rules, and try to make this site a better place.

      I ask everyone to please follow the rules and refrain from further disrupting this site.

      • (Score: 1, Troll) by aristarchus on Wednesday January 05 2022, @09:26PM (39 children)

        by aristarchus (2645) on Wednesday January 05 2022, @09:26PM (#1210283) Journal

        The problem is, of course, that there was no sockpuppetry in the case in question. You may not know this, but as the accused I have intimate knowledge of this. So deciding what is "disruptive" is just as subjective as deciding what needs to be banned? To be honest, it was not one user just talking to itself. Why are you not posting under your actual user name, noble AC?

        • (Score: 5, Insightful) by dalek on Wednesday January 05 2022, @09:50PM (9 children)

          by dalek (15489) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday January 05 2022, @09:50PM (#1210297) Journal

          Very well. I spam modded you. I accept and respect any action the admins choose to take. Based on what I've been told, I don't expect to be mod banned. But if I were to be given a mod ban, I would accept it, I would not complain about it, and I most certainly would not use sock puppets to circumvent the mod ban.

          I agree with your political views and I have made many posts, most of which were as an AC, criticizing the alt-right. The spam mods were not about your political views. The admins have provided evidence that you are running sock puppets, some of which is linked to in my previous comment. I just don't believe you when you deny using sock puppets.

          I wholeheartedly support you calling out the alt-right, as you've done in many comments and journal entries. I also despise your use of sock puppets and your continued dishonesty about it.

          --
          EXTERMINATE
          • (Score: 1, Flamebait) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday January 05 2022, @11:46PM (2 children)

            by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday January 05 2022, @11:46PM (#1210347) Homepage Journal

            Never accept the "explanations" of a known liar at face value.

            --
            Your private safe room in the back of your mind? Trump pooped in it.
            • (Score: 3, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 05 2022, @11:57PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 05 2022, @11:57PM (#1210353)

              Why do you think you get so much shit?

            • (Score: 2) by The Vocal Minority on Thursday January 06 2022, @05:56AM

              by The Vocal Minority (2765) on Thursday January 06 2022, @05:56AM (#1210457) Journal

              Here's another thought - always be wary of disingenuous users trying to launder their sock puppets (hint, hint)?

          • (Score: -1, Troll) by aristarchus on Thursday January 06 2022, @05:02AM (5 children)

            by aristarchus (2645) on Thursday January 06 2022, @05:02AM (#1210446) Journal

            Dalek, well, you are programmed to EXTERMINATE! So you can hardly be blamed. And, I and other Soylentils have learned the way of the Spam mod the hard way, and did the mod-ban time. I remember the first spam mod I recieved, I called out to my buddy Runaway1956 for aid, only to realize later that he was probably the one who threw it!

            So, Admins, if any of you can read, this is not a case calling for a mod-ban. Relatively new Soylentil, honest mistake, lesson learned. However, I am noticing that the Spam mods have not been reversed? Nothing like editorial vengeance, eh, janrinok? FatPhil? Chromas? Time for the Editor-in-Chief to exercise some authority. Curb the dogs.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 06 2022, @07:59AM (2 children)

              by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 06 2022, @07:59AM (#1210471)

              you are being curbed, now stop whining

              • (Score: -1, Troll) by aristarchus on Thursday January 06 2022, @08:28AM

                by aristarchus (2645) on Thursday January 06 2022, @08:28AM (#1210473) Journal

                If you strike me down, I will only become more powerful, and I already have something of an ObiWan beard.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 06 2022, @06:57PM

                by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 06 2022, @06:57PM (#1210599)

                Tickles me pink how the staunch "free speech warriors" are the ones most enthusiastuc about authoritarian abuse. Rightwing nutters, too stupid or blinded by hate to see their own fall from grace.

            • (Score: -1, Troll) by aristarchus on Thursday January 06 2022, @08:30AM (1 child)

              by aristarchus (2645) on Thursday January 06 2022, @08:30AM (#1210474) Journal

              A call for mercy on a fellow Soylentil gets modded "Troll"? Is all hope for humanity truly lost? I hope saner heads prevail, and non-British ones.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 06 2022, @06:50PM

                by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 06 2022, @06:50PM (#1210598)

                racissss bastid singles out the Brits to blame his problems on

        • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Fnord666 on Wednesday January 05 2022, @10:30PM (22 children)

          by Fnord666 (652) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday January 05 2022, @10:30PM (#1210315) Homepage

          The problem is, of course, that there was no sockpuppetry in the case in question. You may not know this, but as the accused I have intimate knowledge of this.

          How do you know this if you were neither the author nor a moderator of the comment in question? Please explain.

          • (Score: 2, Interesting) by aristarchus on Wednesday January 05 2022, @11:06PM (21 children)

            by aristarchus (2645) on Wednesday January 05 2022, @11:06PM (#1210328) Journal

            I am the author of one spam modded comment, has my nick right on it! But I also know that the other comment so modded was not by me, it was an AC, but the other AC. This is the danger of admins throwing around unsubstantiated accusations of sockpuppetry, that those who do not know who posted what end up making erroneous assumptions.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 06 2022, @12:00AM (19 children)

              by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 06 2022, @12:00AM (#1210355)

              So you got mad about admin abuse from Buzzard, understandable, then created sock puppets so you could keep posting and or moderating? Still scummy tactics.

              If you are truly innocent then email the staff, maybe post a journal with all the facts so we can discuss. If you are guilty then own up to it and stop.

              • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Thursday January 06 2022, @12:39AM (18 children)

                by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday January 06 2022, @12:39AM (#1210373) Homepage Journal

                Uhhhhhm, no, sorry AC. The time line being presented here is all wrong. Aristarchus' puppets date back years. Aristarchus' other misconduct dates back years. Aristarchus was abusive of Buzzard years ago, and Buzzard never retaliated. Aristarchus' entire problem is that he doesn't think any rules should apply to him. He is above the law, he is ungovernable.

                If Buzzard were unfairly abusing Aristarchus, it would have been overturned by current staff by now. Unfortunately for Ari, he CONTINUED to break the rules, and to defy administrators long after Buzzard left. In fact, he added to his stable of sock puppets after Buzzard left.

                I've been on Late Night IRC when Aristarchus logs in, under one name or another, and spouts his lies, defying admin, daring admin to do anything about his blatant lies.

                You can't believe anything that aristarchus says. He spins, distorts, exaggerates, outright lies, and expects you to take his word, just because he impersonates a philosopher.

                Don't buy his story.

                --
                Your private safe room in the back of your mind? Trump pooped in it.
                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 06 2022, @03:35AM

                  by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 06 2022, @03:35AM (#1210418)

                  And why pray tell should anyone listen to you oh purveyor of lies and promoter of terrorism? It wasn't pretty what they used to do with traitors, but lucky for you society has become more civilized and you can spout your manifestos all day long and not worry about the stazi coming for you.

                • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 06 2022, @03:56AM (16 children)

                  by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 06 2022, @03:56AM (#1210428)

                  Except about the moderation ban. He repeatedly claimed to being modbanned, specifically by TMB. That was repeatedly rebuffed by admins and TMB in specific. Then Buzzard leaves. Later, the admins post a story about how they banned a bunch of suspected socks. Next, admins admit that not only was he currently modbanned for a nonstandard period of time but none of them know who did it or when and that they were overruling it. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to put together who banned whom or that there is some truth to the story.

                  • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday January 06 2022, @04:22AM (15 children)

                    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday January 06 2022, @04:22AM (#1210433) Homepage Journal

                    Wellllll, noowwwwww, Mr. Rocket Scientist - is aristarchus STILL mod banned? If, indeed, it is accurate to say that current staff reversed Buzzard's ban, then why is ari still mod banned? Could it be that my explanation above is essentially correct? A simple yes or no will suffice.

                    --
                    Your private safe room in the back of your mind? Trump pooped in it.
                    • (Score: 0, Troll) by aristarchus on Thursday January 06 2022, @04:56AM (13 children)

                      by aristarchus (2645) on Thursday January 06 2022, @04:56AM (#1210444) Journal

                      Yes, poor aristarchus is still mod banned. Look to be that way for near a half a year, at which point there will probably be another on equally suspect grounds. None of the admin could remember what the grounds were for the prior. Gotta love competence in the administration of Justice!

                      • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday January 06 2022, @05:32AM (12 children)

                        by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday January 06 2022, @05:32AM (#1210451) Homepage Journal

                        Let me say this again: stop shitting all over the house! THAT is why you are mod-banned.

                        --
                        Your private safe room in the back of your mind? Trump pooped in it.
                        • (Score: -1, Troll) by aristarchus on Thursday January 06 2022, @05:53AM (11 children)

                          by aristarchus (2645) on Thursday January 06 2022, @05:53AM (#1210454) Journal

                          And why you are too, you pure and simple right-wing asshole. Been nice knowing you, Runaway, but it seems you have fallen into the trap.

                          • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Runaway1956 on Thursday January 06 2022, @06:39AM (10 children)

                            by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday January 06 2022, @06:39AM (#1210462) Homepage Journal

                            lol - you really don't have a clue, do you?

                            Let us go through the sock puppet war, once again. I was being mod bombed for awhile, so I created a sock. The mod bombing seemed to stop, I didn't use the sock. I was being mod bombed again, I created ANOTHER sock, and the mod bombing seemed to stop. Mod bombing resumed, so I created yet another sock, and started using them. At that point in time, you had reduced my karma to about 27, despite numerous up mods from other soylentils. I hammered on you for several days in a row, when a certain female member made some comments that irritated me. Now, you and I both had made comments on IRC about being mod bombed, and it seemed that we were largely ignored. Because that female had irritated me, I included her in the mod bombing. SHE cried on IRC, and immediately, massive attention was brought to bear on both of us.

                            Did you notice that something isn't quite right, or quite fair, or quite "equitable" in all of that? Oh well, it is what it is, men pay attention when women whine.

                            Anyway - you got all the same notices, warnings, scoldings that I got. But, the difference is, YOU DENIED EVERYTHING. YOU CONTINUED WITH YOUR SOCK PUPPETRY! You have defied every civilized attempt to reign in your bad behaviour. You just shit all over the house, no matter how many times you are scolded. The more people shout "BAD DOG" at you the more you shit in the house.

                            You poor, mistaken, misguided, misbehaving pooch - I'm not mod banned. Here, have a redundant mod, for being stupid, and for old time's sake. And, if you EVER stop shitting in the house, maybe you can have mod points again? I don't see much hope for you. Hardly a week passes that you don't whine, cry, and beg for attention, all based on your claims not to be a sock master.

                            You empty headed buffoon. People without admin powers were calling you out on sock puppetry. People whom you hadn't even victimized were calling you out. The female mentioned above has called you out. You try from time to time to cozy up to her, because her politics are more-or-less in line with your own - but she calls you out for being a pathetic loser.

                            Grow the fuck up dude. Almost no one believes you, and those who do, do so blindly because they like your lib/left/progressive politics.

                            STOP SHITTING IN THE HOUSE THAT WE ALL LIVE IN!!!!

                            --
                            Your private safe room in the back of your mind? Trump pooped in it.
                            • (Score: 0, Troll) by aristarchus on Thursday January 06 2022, @06:44AM (9 children)

                              by aristarchus (2645) on Thursday January 06 2022, @06:44AM (#1210464) Journal

                              The witness has rights. ("A Few Good Men", of which supply clerk Runaway1956 is not one. )

                              • (Score: -1, Troll) by aristarchus on Thursday January 06 2022, @06:46AM (8 children)

                                by aristarchus (2645) on Thursday January 06 2022, @06:46AM (#1210465) Journal

                                And, why is not this violator of the "rules" at least mod-banned? SN justice is just so hard to grok!

                                • (Score: 1, Flamebait) by Runaway1956 on Thursday January 06 2022, @06:50AM (6 children)

                                  by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday January 06 2022, @06:50AM (#1210466) Homepage Journal

                                  You have no concept of justice. I am "reformed". You are just a shit eating dog. How many times does it have to be spelled out for you?

                                  --
                                  Your private safe room in the back of your mind? Trump pooped in it.
                                  • (Score: -1, Troll) by aristarchus on Thursday January 06 2022, @06:52AM (1 child)

                                    by aristarchus (2645) on Thursday January 06 2022, @06:52AM (#1210467) Journal

                                    Hmm, prison time, eh? Thought as much! Thank you for your service!

                                    • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday January 06 2022, @06:56AM

                                      by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday January 06 2022, @06:56AM (#1210468) Homepage Journal

                                      Nope. No prison time here, unless you refer to mod banning. My mod ban expired quite a long time ago. My conduct wasn't nearly as bad as yours, so my punishment wasn't as harsh. Nor have I gone on IRC, or into my journal, to publicly insult and debase the admin staff. But, you do whatever it is you've got to do. I suppose some people like to hear the bad dog whining.

                                      --
                                      Your private safe room in the back of your mind? Trump pooped in it.
                                  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 06 2022, @07:03PM (3 children)

                                    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 06 2022, @07:03PM (#1210601)

                                    Well, at least runsaway finally got trucked into admitting he sock puppets. That makes you a shitty liar, but we already knew that.

                                    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 06 2022, @07:08PM (2 children)

                                      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 06 2022, @07:08PM (#1210603)

                                      Fine, you spin it however you like. Now work on getting ari to come clean. He has never admitted to his shit conduct - his conduct which triggered the entire sock puppet war. If someone kicks you repeatedly, do you just allow him to continue kicking?

                                      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 07 2022, @12:48AM (1 child)

                                        by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 07 2022, @12:48AM (#1210722)

                                        Unless you give us his real address I don't see how we can force him to admit anything. Plenty of people here saying they agree with his politics while condemning his sock puppetry. I get this is a foreign concept for you, criticizing your tribe, but your whingey crying is beyond the pale. Hiw about you put up or shut up? Post a journal apologizing and naming your sock puppets, then you will have the high ground against aristarchus, and generally improve your tattered reputation.

                                        • (Score: 2) by janrinok on Saturday January 29 2022, @07:30AM

                                          by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Saturday January 29 2022, @07:30AM (#1216658) Journal
                                          Now why would you need a real address? That is private and personal information that nobody on this site is required to divulge. If you cannot persuade someone to do something by words alone do you have to imply that physical violence is the next resort?
                                • (Score: 2) by janrinok on Saturday January 29 2022, @07:25AM

                                  by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Saturday January 29 2022, @07:25AM (#1216654) Journal

                                  He was mod banned. His ban has now lapsed.

                    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 06 2022, @05:21AM

                      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 06 2022, @05:21AM (#1210450)

                      No. It isn't "essentially correct."

            • (Score: 2) by Fnord666 on Thursday January 06 2022, @01:11PM

              by Fnord666 (652) Subscriber Badge on Thursday January 06 2022, @01:11PM (#1210502) Homepage

              I am the author of one spam modded comment, has my nick right on it! But I also know that the other comment so modded was not by me, it was an AC, but the other AC. This is the danger of admins throwing around unsubstantiated accusations of sockpuppetry, that those who do not know who posted what end up making erroneous assumptions.

              The comment that I found in the discussion was authored by Frigatebird, not yourself. If I found the incorrect comment then I apologize.

        • (Score: 1, Flamebait) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday January 05 2022, @11:44PM (5 children)

          by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday January 05 2022, @11:44PM (#1210346) Homepage Journal

          We should take the "explanations" of a known liar seriously, folks. That's the only "equitable" way to settle this.

          Now excuse while I puke. That was hard to type out even in sarcasm mode.

          --
          Your private safe room in the back of your mind? Trump pooped in it.
          • (Score: 1, Troll) by aristarchus on Thursday January 06 2022, @12:00AM (4 children)

            by aristarchus (2645) on Thursday January 06 2022, @12:00AM (#1210356) Journal

            Yes, that AC, or one of the 1024 Runaway sockpuppets. Why does Runaway hate so much? What happened to him?

            • (Score: 1, Flamebait) by Runaway1956 on Thursday January 06 2022, @12:17AM (2 children)

              by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday January 06 2022, @12:17AM (#1210368) Homepage Journal

              Stop being a douche, if you are able to do so. You should be collecting EVIDENCE of all my 1024 sock puppets, and submitting that EVIDENCE to the admins. You know, really suspicious shit that I do, or that you think that I do, or that someone says that I do, or even shit that you make up. Package it all up, and send the EVIDENCE to admins, who will likely spend ten minutes looking at it, then laugh in your face. You wear a philosopher's name. Pretend that you have a small fraction of that philosopher's intelligence.

              And, stop shitting on the floor.

              I'm really amused at the accusations that I am APK, or that APK is me, or whatever.

              --
              Your private safe room in the back of your mind? Trump pooped in it.
              • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 06 2022, @03:37AM (1 child)

                by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 06 2022, @03:37AM (#1210419)

                I have noticed since those accusations started going around we haven't had any apk posts or ragespam. Curious.

                • (Score: 2) by janrinok on Friday January 07 2022, @08:43AM

                  by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Friday January 07 2022, @08:43AM (#1210792) Journal

                  So you think the most acceptable way to address an earlier comment is to 'suggest' that the poster is APK without producing a shred of evidence. Such smear tactics are below even you.

            • (Score: 2) by janrinok on Saturday January 29 2022, @07:35AM

              by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Saturday January 29 2022, @07:35AM (#1216660) Journal

              I am aware of several sock puppets active in this discussion. Would you like me to ban them immediately?

    • (Score: 1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 05 2022, @10:11PM (10 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 05 2022, @10:11PM (#1210310)

      Being a Trump supporter is automatically racist, while endorsing CRT is not. It's not just slippery, it's a slimy slope.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 05 2022, @11:39PM (9 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 05 2022, @11:39PM (#1210344)

        Trump is very racist, so yes supporting him means at the least you are fine supporting racists, at least if you're not vocal about disliking the racist side of your chosen politician. Like how Biden is an old racist with many negative qualities, but supporting him over the Grand Old Phascists took priority. CRT is not racist, you're just an uneducated boob that thinks Plucker Fartelson is a valuable source of news and insight. Reminder: all Fox staff have been vaccinated and their legal team argued they couldn't be sued because no reasonable person would believe Mucker Buttleson

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 05 2022, @11:49PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 05 2022, @11:49PM (#1210348)

          Community college should help with your atrocious reading comprehension. Webster should help with your vocabulary. On the spectrum of racism, Trump is no Nelson Mandela, but he's nowhere near Democrat racists who work constantly to keep the darkies on the plantation.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 06 2022, @12:02AM (4 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 06 2022, @12:02AM (#1210358)

          If Trump is racist, why did he get **more** black and Hispanic votes during his **re-election** run? Are those blacks and Hispanics just stupid?

          • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday January 06 2022, @12:06AM (1 child)

            by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday January 06 2022, @12:06AM (#1210360) Homepage Journal

            Well, yes, of course. Everyone is stupid, unless they toe the party line. The DNC tolerates no opposition. Feel the Bern?

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            Your private safe room in the back of your mind? Trump pooped in it.
            • (Score: 2) by cmdrklarg on Thursday January 06 2022, @06:45PM

              by cmdrklarg (5048) Subscriber Badge on Thursday January 06 2022, @06:45PM (#1210597)

              Everyone is stupid ,unless they toe the party line.

              FTFY. Some are just more so than others.

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              Answer now is don't give in; aim for a new tomorrow.
          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 06 2022, @03:22AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 06 2022, @03:22AM (#1210411)

            There are lies, damned lies, and then you.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 06 2022, @04:46AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 06 2022, @04:46AM (#1210438)

            Of course they're not stupid, poor kids are just as bright and just as talented as white kids.
            But they are definitely racist, and also ain't black.

        • (Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 06 2022, @12:10AM (2 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 06 2022, @12:10AM (#1210362)

          Half of you idiots wouldn't recognize racism if it crawled up your ass and ate your brain out. It's just a catchword you've learned from CNN and their ilk, so you parrot it back at every opportunity.

          • (Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 06 2022, @03:29AM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 06 2022, @03:29AM (#1210415)

            Poor racists, so mad people just won't stop pointing out your racist bullshit. Denying simple facts just makes you look extra dumb, and you really don't need the help.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 07 2022, @08:02PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 07 2022, @08:02PM (#1210933)

              You were trained by the enemy of your race to think "racism" (anything that doesn't end in Whites not existing) is evil and now you think you are virtuous by fighting it. In fact, you're just a brainwashed Shabbos Goy slave and a race traitor.

              Or a non-white parasite, dependent or invader who thinks they are a victim, while their whole world was imagined, engineered and built by Whites. The clothes you wear, the food you eat, the house you live in and the tech you use to whine online. You are like a pitiful orphan child or stray dog.

    • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday January 06 2022, @12:04AM (10 children)

      by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday January 06 2022, @12:04AM (#1210359) Homepage Journal

      I would differ with your idea that racist modding caused conservative members to leave. I would say they left for two reasons:
      1. they take online discussions seriously
      2. they have thin skins

      Oh well, the world is full of fair weather sailors. If you want to be a real sailor, you have to weather the storms.

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      Your private safe room in the back of your mind? Trump pooped in it.
      • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 06 2022, @02:31AM (6 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 06 2022, @02:31AM (#1210397)

        3. They are tired of the repetitive insults, anger, ignorance and lies thrown at them, and would rather hang around somewhere with some opportunity for enjoyable conversation.

        • (Score: 0, Disagree) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 07 2022, @02:42AM (5 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 07 2022, @02:42AM (#1210747)

          That is a lot of words for "they want a safe space."

          • (Score: 3, Insightful) by janrinok on Friday January 07 2022, @08:50AM (2 children)

            by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Friday January 07 2022, @08:50AM (#1210793) Journal

            I disagree - they seek a place where they can hold a decent intelligent conversation on a specific topic without it being turned into a political shitstorm by those at the extremes of the political divide. Look at the last half of the discussion here. Two main protagonists leading the assault from opposite sides, interspersed by supposedly 'neutral' ACs who just enjoy stirring the pot. The pair of them should shut up and sit down. Go watch your favourite TV news channels but stay away from these discussions.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 07 2022, @10:04AM (1 child)

              by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 07 2022, @10:04AM (#1210804)

              Which is exactly what the conservatives would call a "safe space" when they are the ones perceived to be on the outside of it so they can demonize it. Whether you or I or anyone else would call it a safe space when the tables are turned doesn't matter because that is what they would and do call it when the situation is reversed.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 07 2022, @04:30PM

                by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 07 2022, @04:30PM (#1210876)

                They're just more civilized about it than you are. Civil... civilization... interesting word root.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 08 2022, @04:55PM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 08 2022, @04:55PM (#1211089)

            "they want a safe space."

            Projection. I'll guarantee that you delicate flowers who are walking around with personal support llamas, are not Trump supporters. Just like the schools and businesses and every place where you people aren't busy trashing other peoples' belongings and beliefs, are full of special rooms to protect your type from the real world. You may not know that world, it's the place where people work for their keep, take care of others, and protect themselves from you ultra-woken/wiccan/wackos.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 21 2022, @10:23AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 21 2022, @10:23AM (#1214479)

              So it's bad when they do it but OK when you do it. Got it.

      • (Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 06 2022, @03:30AM (2 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 06 2022, @03:30AM (#1210416)

        I do appreciate your passion and dedication. It's just that you're so busy bailing, while they're driving this ship right into the storm. There must be a more reasonable and stable platform, somewhere, without blindered automatons at the helm. It's like Soros is paying them two-fifty per post.

        I've tried to contribute as a relief from my own harried life, but there are just too many prehensile asses for my taste. So you'll see me here sometimes just to unleash on them or to support patriots like you... that's more than this dinghy deserves.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 06 2022, @04:55AM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 06 2022, @04:55AM (#1210442)

          You really should stop replying to yourself, it is so sad it even embarrasses those of us that don't like you.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 06 2022, @03:52PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 06 2022, @03:52PM (#1210536)

            That's two-fitty for you! Put it in your piggy bank, and don't waste it on candy and sugary drinks.

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