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I was going to post this to a particular story, but thought this might generate more attention and discussion as a general submission.
Seriously, what is going on with all these troll mods? Just because you disagree with someone, thus earning a "disagree" mod, does not mean that person is a "troll." To steal a definition from Urban Dictionary:
An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum or chat room, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion.
Just because you disagree with someone, does not mean they are trying to do the above. Be faster on the "disagree" and slower on the "troll." Under such abuse, it is hard to have a good discussion and, in itself, is trollish behavior by "generally disrupt[ing] normal on-topic discussion." Other than people disciplining themselves, a concerted effort to police such abuses, or making moderation logs public on the bottom of a comment where the score is shown now, I'm unsure of what to do about. As it stands, it is getting increasingly ridiculous to read what discussion is here on any topic remotely controversial, and is expanding outside of even those. It is starting to drive me away from the site, and I'm somewhat confident it is doing the same for others. I'd be interested to see what others think about the depth of the problem, if they even believe it even exists at all, and what solutions you all have for it.
[Ed note. This story is published exactly as received. First off, it bears repeating that complaining about moderations in the comments often leads (rightly) to an off-topic moderation. That is a contributing factor to my decision to run this story. Secondly, moderation is something that I on occasion have found I've fat-fingered and given a different moderation than expected. Thirdly, in the grand scheme of things, a comment's moderation is — relatively speaking — small potatoes. It is NOT a measure of your IQ or value as a human being. or standing in the community. Just accept that stuff happens and that as likely as not, someone will be along to moderate it the other way. Which is a good opportunity to say: PLEASE USE YOUR MOD POINTS! Lastly, if you think a comment was moderated in error, then send the CID (Comment ID) link e.g. "(#876543)" in an email to admin (at) soylentnews (dot) org. Keep in mind however that we are all volunteers here and there most likely will be a delay between when you send out an email and when we can get around to it. --martyb]
[Updated: 20190823_111312 UTC See comment from JR who far more precisely and eloquently expressed the idea I was attempting to. I concur with his assessment. If I want people to upmod a comment of mine that I believe was unfairly downmodded, then I need to be willing to upmod other's mis-modded comments. For perspective, so far this month, anywhere from ~150-~350 mod points were used in any given day. It bears repeating: use your mod points!]
(Score: 4, Informative) by Valkor on Friday August 23 2019, @06:34AM (25 children)
we're conditioned to think there is a right or wrong way of thinking.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Bot on Friday August 23 2019, @07:33AM (23 children)
There IS a right and wrong way, unfortunately it's those pushing the wrong ways who usually want them to be perceived as THE UNDISPUTABLE TRUTH(tm)
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(Score: 1) by shrewdsheep on Friday August 23 2019, @08:40AM (9 children)
Please define truth.
(Score: 4, Interesting) by Bot on Friday August 23 2019, @08:47AM (7 children)
Experience is what I am doing right now.
If you discard solipsism it is what you are doing right now.
Real is what can directly or indirectly influence experience.
Truth is a statement that describes reality.
This sidesteps the misconception that real is the infrastructure, which has you wondering about the implementation of the universe down to QM and below, and which you can fully discover but you can't prove you fully discovered.
Question, in the field of chess games what is real for the chess piece? A. the state of the board. Not the wood which makes up an implementation of the board.
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(Score: 2) by maxwell demon on Friday August 23 2019, @09:20AM (3 children)
No it is your experience that would be questioned if I didn't disregard solipsism. You can disregard my experience if you consider solipsism, but as long I I do it, my experience is the one that is without doubt.
The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
(Score: 2) by Bot on Friday August 23 2019, @03:39PM (2 children)
"If you discard the solipsist hypothesis..."
better now?
this is what programming in java does to meatbags
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(Score: 2) by maxwell demon on Friday August 23 2019, @05:06PM (1 child)
No, not better. You obviously completely missed my point. Had you changed "you" to "I" in your sentence, then it would have been an improvement.
And BTW, I don't program in Java.
The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 23 2019, @07:23PM
I am not Bot, that is to say the individual typing this is not in any way the same individual who is identified by the user ID "Bot". Perhaps the Java programming comment was self-referential and utilizing third person conception to allow a greasy bag of mostly water to pretend to be made of sterner stuff.
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Friday August 23 2019, @04:03PM (2 children)
Those who refuse to learn philosophy, are forced to repeat it.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 4, Funny) by J053 on Friday August 23 2019, @08:23PM
During a summer session, just before fall semester starts.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by aristarchus on Saturday August 24 2019, @08:04AM
For those who are less eruidite, it was an American philosopher, George Santayana, [wikiquote.org] who said:
But the most recent iteration is:
But philosophy, it never repeats, it is a constant recycling of ideas, so that Ibn Sina's "Falling Man" can become Descartes "Cogito", and re-emerge as "Neo" in the Matrix, the Whale and Petunia in "Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy", the focal character in "Vanilla Sky", and Mike "Pence". Mike Pence dare not think, therefore (ergo!), he does not exist.
So, back to our topic, once you discount solipcism: but why would you do that, since it means you do not exist?
(Score: 3, Funny) by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us on Friday August 23 2019, @03:04PM
Only if you promise to wash your hands.
This sig for rent.
(Score: 1, Flamebait) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday August 23 2019, @11:58AM (11 children)
Indeed there is. And guess what? Your corrupted, 3/4th-ignorant bastardized version of Christianity isn't it. The complete lack of self-awareness in your posts is incredible.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 1, Redundant) by Runaway1956 on Friday August 23 2019, @02:43PM
🙄
A MAN Just Won a Gold Medal for Punching a Woman in the Face
(Score: 2) by Bot on Friday August 23 2019, @03:51PM (9 children)
The source is quite clear on the matter. Matthew 10:34
"Non veni pacem mittere sed gladium..."
This is quite clear, and BTW sword does not mean war
"... veni enim separare hominem adversus patrem suum, et filiam adversus matrem suam, et nurum adversus socrum suam"
but separation. Same chapter, the explicit instruction to give up when they don't LISTEN to you (which is worse than not believe of course).
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(Score: 3, Touché) by PinkyGigglebrain on Friday August 23 2019, @06:28PM (6 children)
ラテン語が読めない人のために英語の翻訳を追加してください
"Beware those who would deny you Knowledge, For in their hearts they dream themselves your Master."
(Score: 3, Informative) by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us on Friday August 23 2019, @07:16PM (2 children)
And then stopped before 36.
NIV Link [biblegateway.com]
Link to the chapter in the Vulgate: [biblegateway.com]
This sig for rent.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 23 2019, @11:26PM (1 child)
How about the original Hebrew?
(Score: 2) by martyb on Saturday August 24 2019, @05:57PM
Original Hebrew? That's all Greek to me!
=)
Wit is intellect, dancing.
(Score: 2) by Gaaark on Saturday August 24 2019, @02:34AM (1 child)
You should just say, "Don't quote the Bibble as if it is real".
Bibble is fiction.
--- Please remind me if I haven't been civil to you: I'm channeling MDC. ---Gaaark 2.0 ---
(Score: 2) by kazzie on Saturday August 24 2019, @04:45AM
Even worse, he has a goatee [darthsanddroids.net]
(Score: 2) by Bot on Thursday August 29 2019, @07:12AM
that would be racist against non-English-speakers. You must live under quite an oppressing firewall if you can't google up the passage reference.
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(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday August 24 2019, @12:57AM (1 child)
You don't seem to understand that you've ended up entirely on the wrong side of that divide though...oh well. The ol' murder manual did say many would be fooled in the last days...
And, Jesus (heh) Latin is an ugly, awful language. I much prefer the Koine. Even English is better.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Bot on Saturday August 24 2019, @07:26PM
G. Guareschi
Note, I don't fully agree. The work of Seneca and Cicero comes to mind.
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(Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Friday August 23 2019, @09:43PM
There may be a right and wrong way of thinking for some topics.
For most topics, thinking that you or anyone has the right way is most certainly wrong.
🌻🌻 [google.com]
(Score: 3, Informative) by c0lo on Tuesday August 27 2019, @01:09PM
Just how far do you go on this slope?
Do you also think that there's no objective reality which one can use to establish the value of truth of a statement of facts? (i.e. truth or lie, there all are, like, just opinions, man [soylentnews.org])
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford