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posted by requerdanos on Saturday January 09 2021, @01:05PM   Printer-friendly
from the twitter-and-facebook-and-twitch-and-snapchat-and... dept.

Twitter permanently suspends Trump's account:

US President Donald Trump has been permanently suspended from Twitter "due to the risk of further incitement of violence", the company says.

Twitter said the decision was made "after close review of recent Tweets from the @realDonaldTrump account and the context around them".

Mr Trump had earlier been locked out of his account for 12 hours.

Twitter then said that it would ban Mr Trump "permanently" if he breached the platform's rules again.

Reacting to the permanent ban, Trump 2020 campaign adviser Jason Miller tweeted: "Disgusting... if you don't think they're coming for you next, you're wrong."

It comes after Mr Trump tweeted several messages on Wednesday, calling the people who stormed the US Capitol "patriots".

Hundreds of his supporters entered the Capitol building as the US Congress attempted to certify Joe Biden's victory in the presidential election. The ensuing violence led to the deaths of four civilians and a police officer.

The siege took place just hours after Trump addressed supporters and told them: "We will never give up; we will never concede."

[...] On Thursday, Facebook said it had suspended Mr Trump "indefinitely". The popular gaming platform Twitch also placed an indefinite ban on the outgoing president's channel, which he has used for rally broadcasts. So has Snapchat.

Two online Trump memorabilia stores were closed this week by e-commerce company Shopify. On Friday, Reddit banned its "donaldtrump" forum for the president's supporters.

[...] The big question now is, can Trumpism survive without the backing of mainstream media? Or will it simply slip into the shadows of the internet?

(Emphasis retained from original.)

Also at Ars Technica, CNET

Full Twitter explanation at: blog.twitter.com


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Pro-Trump Rioters Breached US Capitol; EC Confirms Biden; Trump "Responds"; Dems Win GA [Updates: 2] 561 comments

2021-01-07 14:44:44 UTC: UPDATE (See below the fold).

Pro-Trump rioters breach the US Capitol on historic day in Congress:

Supporters of President Donald Trump breached the US Capitol on Wednesday while Congress was meeting to certify the Electoral College's votes for president and vice president.

The Capitol has been put on lockdown and the certification vote has been paused. Vice President Mike Pence was evacuated from the building. House and Senate leadership is safe and in undisclosed locations, according to a person familiar with the situation.

Congress' counting of electoral votes is typically little more than an afterthought. But this joint session was expected to be a contentious affair that would last late into the evening and possibly on Thursday. Some Republicans are objecting to the count and delaying the inevitable certification of President-elect Joe Biden's win.

Also at AlJazeera (In Pictures: Pro-trump mob storms US Capitol building) and c|net (Mob storms Capitol forcing halt of election vote count).

[2021-01-06 22:33:53 UTC; UPDATE] NOTE: This is a chaotic time.

The Electoral College votes are currently being confirmed and tallied. Runoff votes in Georgia are being tallied and the results may swing the balance of power in the US Senate. The Georgia secretary of state [has been] relocated from [State] Capitol for security reasons. Mitch McConnell goes off on Trump. Pro-Trump reporter gloats over access to fleeing Hill staffer's computer. And Trump hand-picks replacement for Atlanta's US attorney after surprise resignation.

Let's please try and keep the discussion civil.

Also, please be polite and share your popcorn!

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  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @01:17PM (54 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @01:17PM (#1097389)

    Xkcd 1357! Twitter has no obligation to host your freezer peach!!! Never mind that sites like Twitter and Facebook are under pressure from lawmakers, like the WikiLeaks blockade from a decade ago.

    So Trump shambles to Parler. He is dumb, so he didn't promote alternative social media sites to his 88 million Twitter followers before the ban. Despite that, Parler sees a surge in popularity. Apple and Google respond by blocking it from their app stores, and Amazon Web Services is about to pull the plug on it too. The only thing Big Tech hates more than regulation is competition.

    Now people are finally taking notice of how deep the censorship goes. You need alternatives to every link in the chain, including the payment processors. You might need to resort to using cryptocurrencies, until the government cracks down on that too. RIP.

    https://www.eff.org/issues/financial-censorship [eff.org]

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @03:03PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @03:03PM (#1097421)

      Is the President obliged to protect businesses from the government or is business obliged to do the President's bidding?

    • (Score: 2) by wisnoskij on Saturday January 09 2021, @05:11PM (2 children)

      by wisnoskij (5149) <reversethis-{moc ... ksonsiwnohtanoj}> on Saturday January 09 2021, @05:11PM (#1097504)

      Are their any cryptocurrencies that work?

      My understanding is that the way bitcoin was built makes it unusable as a payment processor, but I am not sure if any of the others are useable, I do not think I have any seen any that are popular enough to be accepted anywhere.

      • (Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @06:33PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @06:33PM (#1097539)

        bitcoin is not a payment processor, for one thing. if people are too lazy and ignorant to realize they are using international criminals' counterfeit Slave Bucks then they will continue to be further enslaved as time goes on. CryptoCurrency is not accepted everywhere b/c people are too dumb and chicken shit to accept it. You don't need coinbase, or any other gatekeeper to spend or accept cryptocurrency. just two people who aren't dumb-ass slaves. Until btc adds privacy, i would stick to xmr/monero.

        • (Score: 2) by crafoo on Sunday January 10 2021, @11:51PM

          by crafoo (6639) on Sunday January 10 2021, @11:51PM (#1098016)

          Do you have any opinion on zcash?

    • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @07:23PM (49 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @07:23PM (#1097573)

      The lesson should be: "behave or you get thrown out", but instead it's "a big conspiracy to silence our voices!" 🙄

      • (Score: 0, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @07:41PM (44 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @07:41PM (#1097584)

        Nearly simultaneous action on multiple platforms to silence voices and eliminate competing platforms does involve a big conspiracy. Alex Jones was the test case. This situation stinks to high heaven and anyone who isn't too busy gaslighting can see that.

        • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @08:10PM (15 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @08:10PM (#1097604)

          Or they all thought he was a dick for a longtime, and couldn't justify booting him until the same event occurred.

          • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @08:25PM (12 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @08:25PM (#1097612)

            There was a wave of bans on multiple platforms, actions against Parler, and more. This is not just about your President.

            • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Tork on Saturday January 09 2021, @09:22PM (9 children)

              by Tork (3914) on Saturday January 09 2021, @09:22PM (#1097641)
              You're not clear on the scope of just how bad your 'team' acted. This is not about a nip-slip.
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              • (Score: 0, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @09:45PM (8 children)

                by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @09:45PM (#1097651)

                The capitol protest only caused the social media purge to come a few weeks early. Your team has given everyone a gift by clearly drawing the battle lines. Decentralization will benefit everyone who wants free speech but doesn't want to be spied on by the tech giants.

                • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Tork on Saturday January 09 2021, @10:01PM (7 children)

                  by Tork (3914) on Saturday January 09 2021, @10:01PM (#1097655)
                  And in time you lot will find something else to rail against because you won't quit behaving badly and burning bridges. Seriously, your problem isn't big-tech or censorship or that you're even somehow being bullied, it's that your 'team' keeps using ad-supported platforms and your behaviour is toxic to advertisers.
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                  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @10:28PM (6 children)

                    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @10:28PM (#1097663)

                    Big tech purging edgy conservatives was to be expected and is not the real problem. Neither is advertising. The real problem is that if you try to compete with big tech, your ability to operate and handle money becomes targeted. Your hosting, DDOS mitigation, search engine presence, ability to accept payments and donations, and other weak points will all be attacked.

                    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @10:53PM

                      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @10:53PM (#1097674)

                      True those kinds of actions are troubling, so we need cases brought to court so we can have anti-discrimination precedent set. Whining about Twitter kicking Trump off is not the way to go, the answer is to make sure anyone can set up their own servers. ISP access and domain registration are the way to go, hosting providers should be able to decide what content they are OK having on their servers. So GoDaddy can kick a website off their hosting, but must still provide registration services for anyone's domain that isn't violating the law.

                    • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Tork on Sunday January 10 2021, @12:22AM (2 children)

                      by Tork (3914) on Sunday January 10 2021, @12:22AM (#1097710)
                      Reducing the number of people you have to depend on will buy you time, that's about it. If you're famous for shitting in swimming pools, and you get banned from the big water parks for it, that doesn't mean society is enduring the tyranny of big-theme-park.
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                      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 12 2021, @09:50AM (1 child)

                        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 12 2021, @09:50AM (#1098799)

                        No, allowing financial institutions to arbitrarily block people from sending their own money to a person or organization is a serious problem. They did this to Wikileaks in 2010, where the US government exerted pressure on MasterCard and other companies behind the scenes to get them to do a financial blockade on Wikileaks. That's what can happen if these companies are allowed to act with impunity; nothing even needs to be made explicitly illegal.

                        Twitter banning somehow is much less of a concern than this.

                        • (Score: 2) by Tork on Tuesday January 12 2021, @02:38PM

                          by Tork (3914) on Tuesday January 12 2021, @02:38PM (#1098853)

                          You're still operating in a world where businesses have to be willing in order do business with you.

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                    • (Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 10 2021, @01:40AM (1 child)

                      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 10 2021, @01:40AM (#1097747)

                      Why fight a battle with big tech over microblogging, just join to the fediverse, where your local admin decides the rules. Other servers might block you if you're being high maintainance and an annoyance to their users, but your platform won't be shut down unless you piss off your admin... in which case you move to a server that's more suitable for you.

                      Link: https://freespeechextremist.com/ [freespeechextremist.com]
                      Description: A general instance that values users' freedom and censors no viewpoints or opinions or conspiracy theories.

                      • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Grishnakh on Sunday January 10 2021, @04:00AM

                        by Grishnakh (2831) on Sunday January 10 2021, @04:00AM (#1097784)

                        Yes, these people could all set up their own federated social network system, like Diaspora or Mastodon, but the problem is that they're just too stupid to do that. Those kind of networks require more intelligence and determination to get involved in that simply joining Twitter or Facebook. These people can't even understand what "federation" means; if they can't understand what a federated social network is or how it works at a basic level, how are they possibly going to make use of it? These conservatives think they're smart and self-reliant, but they're completely the opposite. If they were really self-reliant, they wouldn't be whining about Twitter "censorship", and would be setting up their own methods of communication that can't be easily blocked or taken down.

                        Seriously, they're mad now that Parler has been removed from Google Play store. It doesn't take a degree in software engineering to install an Android app from an .apk file. But still, this is FAR too difficult for these mouth-breathing morons.

                        It's funny: I'm old enough now to remember when computers mostly ran MS-DOS, and regular, lowly administrative office workers had to use the DOS command line to get anything done, because GUIs just weren't that common. But people back then somehow managed to use these machines and get stuff done anyway. But these days, these same people, many of whom seem to be older than me and surely remember those days too, and maybe even had to use DOS themselves, can't do anything with tech unless it's as simple as a few taps on their phone.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 10 2021, @01:40AM (1 child)

              by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 10 2021, @01:40AM (#1097748)

              Parler is a CIA honeypot.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 10 2021, @02:03AM

                by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 10 2021, @02:03AM (#1097754)

                Did they get money from In-Q-Tel?

          • (Score: 2) by barbara hudson on Saturday January 09 2021, @10:34PM

            by barbara hudson (6443) <barbara.Jane.hudson@icloud.com> on Saturday January 09 2021, @10:34PM (#1097666) Journal
            Obviously they were all waiting for someone else to be the first. That it took an attempted coup to do it shows how spineless the business "leaders " are. Apparently it was Twitter employees who forced the issue.
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          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 10 2021, @08:53PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 10 2021, @08:53PM (#1097966)

            and couldn't justify booting him

            Why did they need a justification if they had the right to ban him all along?

        • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Tork on Saturday January 09 2021, @09:13PM (27 children)

          by Tork (3914) on Saturday January 09 2021, @09:13PM (#1097634)

          Umm... yeah that big conspiracy that made social media collude both simultaneously and odoriferously was an attempted insurrection where people DIED. 🙄

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          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @09:21PM (15 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @09:21PM (#1097639)

            Yeah, they shut all that shit down with CHAZ/CHOP.

            Oh, wait.

            • (Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @09:26PM (14 children)

              by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @09:26PM (#1097643)

              Peaceful occupation vs. violent insurrection. Methinks you idiots don't understand the concept of personal responsibility. Sure is fun watching domestic terrorists get arrested though.

              • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @09:53PM (10 children)

                by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @09:53PM (#1097653)

                There was definitely violence and deaths at CHAZ/CHOP. Here we had one officer die, which would be a badge of honor for any antifa. You can decide whether a pig's life is worth more or less than the others. Aside from that, there was some furniture and windows damaged, but the priceless art collection went unscathed.

                • (Score: 0, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @10:04PM (2 children)

                  by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @10:04PM (#1097656)
                  Your entire post is a creative writing exercise.
                  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @11:03PM (1 child)

                    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @11:03PM (#1097679)

                    You are force fed slop until you regurgitate. It's cumming out of all your holes.

                    • (Score: 2) by Gaaark on Sunday January 10 2021, @04:09PM

                      by Gaaark (41) Subscriber Badge on Sunday January 10 2021, @04:09PM (#1097906) Journal

                      Pot calling kettle...yeah!, We're both black!

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                • (Score: 3, Interesting) by helel on Sunday January 10 2021, @02:47AM (1 child)

                  by helel (2949) on Sunday January 10 2021, @02:47AM (#1097769)

                  CHAZ/CHOP [vox.com] was in effect for about three weeks before two people were killed with neither incident having anything to do with the protest. The only accusation that stands against the protesters is that if the police had still been active in the area they might have intervened in time to prevent the deaths.

                  By contrast there's no doubt at all that it was Trumps rioters who murdered Brian Sicknick [nytimes.com] and trampled Rosanne Boyland [nypost.com] to death.

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                  • (Score: 0, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 10 2021, @04:23AM

                    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 10 2021, @04:23AM (#1097790)

                    By contrast there's no doubt at all that it was Trumps rioters who murdered Brian Sicknick [nytimes.com] and trampled Rosanne Boyland [nypost.com] to death.

                    Bears repeating. Not like that cowardly teen, or the delinquent with a Dodge, these people killed a police officer who was serving the United States. They are rebels, murderers, and scum. The tread on the woman with the "don't tread on me" flag! And killed her! How low can the right go? Bad enough when it was just indefinite detention without charge, or separating children from their parents at the border, or allowing Stephen Miller to attempt to breed, but now this.

                • (Score: 5, Insightful) by janrinok on Sunday January 10 2021, @03:56PM (4 children)

                  by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Sunday January 10 2021, @03:56PM (#1097900) Journal

                  It ceased to be a peaceful protest the moment you forced a way through the security cordon. You could have stopped there and nobody could have done anything about it.

                  Once it was no longer a peaceful process you were responsible collectively for what subsequently occurred.

                  • (Score: 1) by khallow on Monday January 11 2021, @02:36PM (2 children)

                    by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Monday January 11 2021, @02:36PM (#1098296) Journal

                    Once it was no longer a peaceful process you were responsible collectively for what subsequently occurred.

                    The same game was played with criticism of the Floyd protests. People who legally protested were lumped with the rioters, looters, and arsonists who also came out to play. As we've long ago discovered, you can't have collective responsibility over something you don't collectively control.

                    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 12 2021, @10:28PM (1 child)

                      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 12 2021, @10:28PM (#1099120)

                      Ooooh, khallow might be edging towards self-awareness!

                      Couple of problems though.

                      a) BLM protesters were punished by being physically assaulted and arrested
                      b) Every insurrectionist that breached the barriers is guilty of at least felony trespassing if they did not participate in any of the violence
                      c) Bears repeating, peaceful protesters were punished
                      d) Collective responsibility != legal repercussions, but you should at least have the courage to denounce these seditious cunts instead of constantly downplaying isur-fucking-rection

                      • (Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday January 13 2021, @11:58PM

                        by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday January 13 2021, @11:58PM (#1099706) Journal

                        d) Collective responsibility != legal repercussions, but you should at least have the courage to denounce these seditious cunts instead of constantly downplaying isur-fucking-rection

                        Like you have the courage to blow a protest way out of proportion? "seditious"? "isur-fucking-rection"?

                  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 11 2021, @05:32PM

                    by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 11 2021, @05:32PM (#1098400)

                    Well, no, they could have gassed and rubber bulleted them as soon as authority decided they were no longer peacable, just like they did to BLM.

              • (Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday January 10 2021, @02:29PM

                by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Sunday January 10 2021, @02:29PM (#1097883) Journal

                Peaceful occupation vs. violent insurrection.

                Keep in mind who got "peacefully" occupied. When you can't run a business or live in your home because some violent squatters took over the block, it's not peaceful occupation.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 10 2021, @05:32PM (1 child)

                by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 10 2021, @05:32PM (#1097928)

                Talk to the people who actually lived in the area. It was hardly peaceful, even if you count protection rackets as peaceful.

                But they were explicitly calling themselves outside the scope of the US governments. See the big "Now leaving the US" sign. This is indeed sedition. If that's the excuse, apply it evenly. Hahahahaha. Yeah, that'll happen.

                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 10 2021, @08:29PM

                  by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 10 2021, @08:29PM (#1097963)

                  Poor idiots, one day you'll grow up.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @09:56PM (10 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @09:56PM (#1097654)

            To bring about real change, we both have to highlight a problem and make people in power uncomfortable.

            I just don't know why there aren't uprisings all over the country. Maybe there will be.

            • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Tork on Sunday January 10 2021, @02:01AM (9 children)

              by Tork (3914) on Sunday January 10 2021, @02:01AM (#1097753)
              There was no substance to the allegations, so just the top few percent of the least judgementally-competent people went out to protest.
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              • (Score: 0, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 10 2021, @04:43AM (8 children)

                by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 10 2021, @04:43AM (#1097796)

                If you're a D there was no substance to the allegations. That's what I hate about you Ds- smug arrogance. Everyone who disagrees with you all is an idiot, moron, doesn't deserve to live. About 1/2 of the US population. Maybe more if votes could be counted accurately. You who preach equality, rail against racism- well, unless someone is committing racism against whiteys. Or anyone you deem idiots. Pompous eliteists.

                • (Score: 2, Informative) by Tork on Sunday January 10 2021, @04:48AM

                  by Tork (3914) on Sunday January 10 2021, @04:48AM (#1097797)

                  Another reply, yet still no substance. 💩

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                • (Score: 3, Funny) by aristarchus on Sunday January 10 2021, @06:51AM

                  by aristarchus (2645) on Sunday January 10 2021, @06:51AM (#1097818) Journal

                  If you're a D there was no substance to the allegations. That's what I hate about you Ds- smug arrogance. Everyone who disagrees with you all is an idiot, moron, doesn't deserve to live. About 1/2 of the US population.

                  Not only if you are a D is there no substance to the allegations, Republican judges found no substance to the allegations. And so, yes, you are correct, everyone who disagrees is an idiot, or a moron, and quite possibly both (cf. Runaway1956), and probably does not deserve to live, but the charity of the Liberal half of the nation keeps them going with disability benefits, social security, unemployment benefits, and all the other programs that these idiot morons try to scam. Actually, they do not deserve to live, but we keep them around because, Family means no one gets left behind. No matter how batshit crazy they have become by being sucked into the QAnon world. How crazy have you become, AC? Do you kneed an intervention? Post your particulars, and we can notify your family. And if you have no family, we can either alert the SWAT team, or tell you where to get a real deal on a single use RV. Your choice, let us know.

                • (Score: 1, Flamebait) by khallow on Sunday January 10 2021, @02:32PM (3 children)

                  by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Sunday January 10 2021, @02:32PM (#1097886) Journal

                  Maybe more if votes could be counted accurately.

                  I'm willing to grant that you probably are an idiot. That the election fraud claims were shot down so fast in court strongly indicates that they were baseless. I certainly wouldn't raid the Capitol building for something so flimsy.

                  • (Score: 1, Troll) by hemocyanin on Monday January 11 2021, @05:23AM (2 children)

                    by hemocyanin (186) on Monday January 11 2021, @05:23AM (#1098132) Journal

                    This is mostly untrue -- the claims in case after case were largely dismissed on technicalities like standing or laches, often warped beyond their usual application. This means that any evaluation of the evidence was intentionally avoided. I'd suggest the dissents in the WI Supreme Court case to get a better understanding of how seriously the judicial branch abdicated its power.

                    https://www.wicourts.gov/sc/opinion/DisplayDocument.pdf?content=pdf&seqNo=315395 [wicourts.gov]

                    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 11 2021, @06:35AM

                      by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 11 2021, @06:35AM (#1098161)

                      Shut up, hemocyanin, you traitorous lime-lipped lizard. You object to the highest court in the land, because YOU know better? What an idiot! The WI Supreme court was stuffed with Republican treason clowns under Scott Walker, they have been overruled at every turn by non-insane judges. Now go an shut the fuck up, hemo! And tell your momma I told you so.

                    • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 11 2021, @02:45PM

                      by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 11 2021, @02:45PM (#1098300)

                      Charges of unfairness are serious. But calling an election unfair does not make it so. Charges require specific allegations and then proof. We have neither here.

                      https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/federal-appeals-court-issues-stinging-rejection-trump-campaign/story?id=74431333 [go.com]

                      This sounds like it was decided on merits to me.

                      This Court has allowed plaintiff the chance to make his case and he has lost on the merits.

                      https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/judges-trump-election-lawsuits/2020/12/12/e3a57224-3a72-11eb-98c4-25dc9f4987e8_story.html [washingtonpost.com]

                      This one seems like it was decided after people started claiming that the rejections were not on merits, and the judge stated his opinion specifically in a way to show that this is a false assertion.

                • (Score: 5, Informative) by janrinok on Sunday January 10 2021, @04:14PM

                  by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Sunday January 10 2021, @04:14PM (#1097907) Journal

                  I'm not a D or a R. I am not an American.

                  From the outside looking in, nobody has shown to any courts satisfaction that any vote manipulation took place. Even Trumps lawyers admitted that they had no evidence. I know what the US media are reporting - and it depends on their own political bias. Try reading what the rest of the world are reading - from sources that do not have a D or R bias. Trump lost - but he had convinced himself that such a thing was unlikely, indeed he thought it was impossible. But he pissed off too many of the electorate which galvanized them into action bringing about what Trump did not believe could happen.

                  Where was the medicare announcement - always a few weeks away from being announced for almost 4 years? Where was the financial support for those who could not work because of the virus? How are the employment figures now compared to when he came into office. How is the national debt looking? How much iron/steel or coal industry has been restarted? How is the swamp looking now? Have there been more or fewer people being found guilty in court because of how they acted in support of a standing President. Why did he need them to act like this? Where are the tax cuts for the working man that he promised?

                  I'm sure you have answers that satisfy yourself - but from the outside looking in he just hasn't delivered. He has been a world-wide divisive character in the economy, trade, military alliances, nuclear weapon proliferation agreements, pitching US state against state, encouraging racial disharmony, and on, and on, and on.

                  His only remaining option is to now incite civil unrest, and hope that the impossible happens.

                • (Score: 3, Touché) by Gaaark on Sunday January 10 2021, @04:19PM

                  by Gaaark (41) Subscriber Badge on Sunday January 10 2021, @04:19PM (#1097908) Journal

                  Why is it that when a Republican won, the votes we're fair and square, but when a Democrat won it was stolen?

                  You people just can't think straight and your bias and low education is showing: Trump lost and Trump is not as stable as he once was (which is not saying much at all). He lost and he has blown all credibility he once might have had.
                  Trump is a loser but unlike Hitler, he doesn't have the balls to kill himself.

                  Get outside once in a while and look at reality.

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      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by sjames on Sunday January 10 2021, @03:24AM (3 children)

        by sjames (2882) on Sunday January 10 2021, @03:24AM (#1097777) Journal

        THIS. Twitter has been bending over backwards and bending the rules into a pretzel for the last 4 years to avoid banning Trump. Then he went cuckoo for coco puffs and pushed things past the breaking point.

        Besides, Twitter's actions are nothing, Congress is talking impeachment and Pence is talking 25th amendment. Several cabinet secretaries have resigned and at least one Republican Senator is re-thinking her party affiliation, so it's fair to say a faction of the GOP is lining up to dis-associate themselves from Trump as well.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 10 2021, @01:24PM (2 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 10 2021, @01:24PM (#1097857)

          Twitter's enforcement of rules has always been arbitrary. Not a surprise since they can ban anybody for any reason as your crowd likes to remind everyone. The reasons they gave for permabanning Trump are bullshit. The real reason is that he is lamer than a lame duck so they have to cave to outside pressure now. I hope their stock price crashes on Monday.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 10 2021, @01:55PM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 10 2021, @01:55PM (#1097866)

            lol, i'm sure the crazy mob are experienced stockbrokers who will go home and sell their twitter shares in protest.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 10 2021, @02:10PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 10 2021, @02:10PM (#1097871)

              rDT was the fuel for many Twits. Now they have nothing to do but eat each other alive.

  • (Score: 5, Funny) by unauthorized on Saturday January 09 2021, @01:40PM (66 children)

    by unauthorized (3776) on Saturday January 09 2021, @01:40PM (#1097393)

    I'm sure this story will invite nothing but fair-minded and reasonable discussion without any partisan moderation abuse whatsoever. I'll get the popcorn ready.

    • (Score: -1, Redundant) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @01:48PM (64 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @01:48PM (#1097395)

      No need, I called it a couple of days ago when I posted (as AC), Trumps twitter is in the shitter. I'd happily post a link to that, but search here (and also Google Site:search) fails to find it? I thought it was a reply to one of the recent Journal posts, maybe I should have left that open in a tab...

      The extended comment was to the effect that if Twitter doubled the initial 12 hour ban for the second ban, it wouldn't be long before Trump was tweet-banned forever. Looks like Twitter jumped ahead of my projection.

      • (Score: 0, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @02:04PM (59 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @02:04PM (#1097397)

        Trump's problem is he stayed on Twitter for 4 years, he had 4 years to find alternative and make it robust against Left censorship. Instead he spent his days helping Kikes and Sandniggers get along, funneling money to Israel, and doing fuck all about the wall.

        The issue of tech censorship was huge on my radar 5 years ago. By now it's too late to play catch-up. The gatekeepers are on in-league, nut-cupping each-other.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @02:48PM (28 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @02:48PM (#1097411)

          You could have done without the racist invective, but he really should have put up a read-only peep.whitehouse.gov site where he could communicate directly with the people.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @03:06PM (21 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @03:06PM (#1097424)

            But then how could he cry victim when he broke their terms and conditions that he agreed to by clicking Agree? Or maybe the rules only apply to little people.

            • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @03:23PM (20 children)

              by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @03:23PM (#1097441)

              That's a good point. By sticking to Twatter, he has strongly demonstrated the liberal bias of most of the media companies.

              Clearly the left have furthered their stance against Freedom of Speech.

              Oh the irony.

              • (Score: 5, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @03:55PM (2 children)

                by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @03:55PM (#1097473)

                The victim in chief should have "renegotiated" the TOS that he agreed to. I heard he was good at deals.

                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @06:47PM (1 child)

                  by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @06:47PM (#1097548)

                  He only deals from the bottom of the deck.

                  • (Score: 2) by Gaaark on Sunday January 10 2021, @04:37PM

                    by Gaaark (41) Subscriber Badge on Sunday January 10 2021, @04:37PM (#1097912) Journal

                    and he doesn't have a full deck to use.

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              • (Score: 4, Insightful) by hemocyanin on Saturday January 09 2021, @06:33PM (15 children)

                by hemocyanin (186) on Saturday January 09 2021, @06:33PM (#1097538) Journal

                It is past time to make the distinction between liberal and left clear. Liberals do not censor -- leftists do. Liberals believe in equality -- leftists believe in equity, which is a word used to obfuscate what they mean, which is racism.

                • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Unixnut on Saturday January 09 2021, @07:46PM (9 children)

                  by Unixnut (5779) on Saturday January 09 2021, @07:46PM (#1097590)

                  At some point in the past (before I was born from what I can see), a great con was born, the con that the "Left" and "Right" wing are opposite ends of the political spectrum.

                  At school I was taught this, drummed into my head. A line with Marxism on the left, Fascism on the right, but as I grew older I came to realise that both "sides" are in fact the same.

                  Both of these sides are authoritarian in nature. We get to pick whether we get collectivist authoritarianism from the left, or non-collectivist authoritarianism from the right.

                  The real divide is not between left and right, but between authoritarians and liberals. A liberal being one who is pro-individualist/anti-authoritarian.

                  I consider myself a liberal, an anti-authoritarian, but that does (more than often) make people put me on the right side of the spectrum rather than the left, because left-wing ideology is inherently collectivist, which requires authoritarian rule to make sure people all work for the collective good over their natural behaviour.

                  Unfortunately most people are stuck in the "Right Vs Left" mindset, which is like picking which master a slave will serve. Whichever you pick, you are a slave.

                  • (Score: 0, Disagree) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @07:57PM (1 child)

                    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @07:57PM (#1097594)

                    You're still operating under that con. You need at least two axes to describe political space.

                    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 10 2021, @11:42PM

                      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 10 2021, @11:42PM (#1098009)

                      I got a disagree mod so let me propose a set of axes. I also think that the World's Smallest Political Quiz has too few axes.

                      - Personal: libertarian <-> authoritarian
                      - Economic: decentralized <-> centralized
                      - Stratification: equity <-> exploitation

                      On the right (+) side of all three axes we find systems like feudalism (capitalism is capable of values exploitation- and centralization-wards of feudalism). On the left (-) side of all three axes we find the kinds of theoretical societies that would evolve from a Marxist dictatorship of the proletariat.

                  • (Score: 2, Troll) by hemocyanin on Saturday January 09 2021, @08:04PM (4 children)

                    by hemocyanin (186) on Saturday January 09 2021, @08:04PM (#1097602) Journal

                    The real divide is not between left and right, but between authoritarians and liberals. A liberal being one who is pro-individualist/anti-authoritarian.

                    Very well stated.

                    • (Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @10:58PM (3 children)

                      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @10:58PM (#1097675)

                      No, pro-individualist is not necessarily liberal. Many of the protections society provides to ensure liberty are authoritarian and communal. Simple logic like less rules equals more freedom are just wrong and must be ignored.

                      • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 10 2021, @02:11AM (1 child)

                        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 10 2021, @02:11AM (#1097759)

                        "Many of the protections society provides to ensure liberty are authoritarian and communal." -- you mean like laws? Well, yeah, the concept of a legal framework for a society is communal, but the pro-individualist position on this that isn't actually out-and-out anarchism is not to have no laws, but to restrict what laws can be passed. It's analogous to unconscionable terms in a contract. However, none of that contradicts the idea of pro-individualism being liberal; it contradicts the idea of letting individuals interfere with each other.

                        So take another swing at explaining why you don't think that liberality correlates with a smaller ruleset, because this one was a whiff.

                        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 10 2021, @04:21AM

                          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 10 2021, @04:21AM (#1097788)

                          So you're a moron? Def a u prob.

                      • (Score: 1) by khallow on Monday January 11 2021, @04:48AM

                        by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Monday January 11 2021, @04:48AM (#1098123) Journal

                        No, pro-individualist is not necessarily liberal.

                        He also mentioned anti-authoritarian.

                  • (Score: -1, Redundant) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @08:26PM

                    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @08:26PM (#1097613)

                    I consider myself a liberal, an anti-authoritarian

                    That's an interesting statement, but I view you as being at odds with yourself. How do you draw the line? I know, zig-zag, very carefully, etc.

                    Trouble with all of it is: you're either D or R. Ain't any other choices.

                  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by acid andy on Sunday January 10 2021, @02:23PM

                    by acid andy (1683) on Sunday January 10 2021, @02:23PM (#1097880) Homepage Journal

                    I agree with most of what you say and I think the distinction is vitally important and so often missed. I would have hoped that opposition to authoritarianism could unite a great many people across the left / right divide, even on this site, if only people could think more sensibly.

                    because left-wing ideology is inherently collectivist, which requires authoritarian rule to make sure people all work for the collective good over their natural behaviour.

                    I don't entirely agree. I'm a slightly left-wing libertarian (both "libertarian" and "liberal" have been misused so much recently--to be clear, I'm in favor of increased civil-liberties for the little guy). I don't think it's a complete contradiction in terms although it might be wishful thinking. I do think that any political ideology other than anarchy will require some degree of authoritarian rule purely to implement the policies. You can always use carrot rather than stick to motivate people to change their behavior though of course you have to work out who works to produce those carrots (robots?).

                    I consider myself a liberal, an anti-authoritarian, but that does (more than often) make people put me on the right side of the spectrum rather than the left, because left-wing ideology is inherently collectivist, which requires authoritarian rule to make sure people all work for the collective good over their natural behaviour.

                    When the right enforce laws to try to protect big businesses (or indeed any businesses), land ownership, and wealth acquisition, they're making some people work contrary to their natural behavior as well. The thing about authoritarianism (and libertarianism) is it's never applied consistently across the board to all groups of people. So you get authoritarian rule over the poor and unbounded liberty for the rich and big business. I'd prefer the latter groups to receive more regulation and those who have less to get a bit more freedom.

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                • (Score: 2) by barbara hudson on Saturday January 09 2021, @10:39PM (1 child)

                  by barbara hudson (6443) <barbara.Jane.hudson@icloud.com> on Saturday January 09 2021, @10:39PM (#1097668) Journal
                  Time to make the distinction between liberals and libertarians. Liberals most certainly censor hate speech, kiddie porn, revenge porn, etc. Libtards go "muh freedumbs!" With no accompanying responsibilities.
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                  • (Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday January 10 2021, @02:22PM

                    by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Sunday January 10 2021, @02:22PM (#1097878) Journal

                    With no accompanying responsibilities.

                    The obvious rebuttal is taking care of oneself without tapping the resources of society by force. That's a huge responsibility that critics of libertarians traditionally refuse to acknowledge.

                    And I think it far more responsible to allow hate speech and fight it maturely and fairly with your own speech, than to censor it.

                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @10:47PM

                  by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @10:47PM (#1097671)

                  Hemo, you can play that funky music, white boy!

                • (Score: 3, Informative) by crafoo on Sunday January 10 2021, @11:57PM (1 child)

                  by crafoo (6639) on Sunday January 10 2021, @11:57PM (#1098022)

                  Liberals may believe in equality, I don't know. I do know equality does not exist in the real world. Trying to force it simply means you must oppress and/or enslave some portion of your population. Which the leftists are certainly fine with.

                  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 11 2021, @06:38AM

                    by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 11 2021, @06:38AM (#1098162)

                    Oppressing oppressors is not oppression! I suppose you still want restitution for the slaves your family was forced to let go after the Civil War? Sorry, racist punk, ain't gonna happen. And, we are going to oppress your white privilege until it oozes out your asshole. Prepare yourself!

              • (Score: 2) by sjames on Sunday January 10 2021, @03:27AM

                by sjames (2882) on Sunday January 10 2021, @03:27AM (#1097778) Journal

                You mean the way that Twitter bent over backwards for the last 4 years to excuse his repeated violations of their TOS, then put him on probation and finally kicked him off only after he proved he couldn't manage to live up to the agreement for 24 whole hours in a row?

          • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @06:37PM (5 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @06:37PM (#1097542)

            "You could have done without the racist invective"

            why should he when they are in league to destroy the white race and use jew owned big tech to do it? it's completely relevant to the topic at hand.

            White Genocide is Real: In Their Own Words: https://www.bitchute.com/video/JY6exTqkTQd1/ [bitchute.com]

            • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 10 2021, @01:35PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 10 2021, @01:35PM (#1097860)

              Racist, stupid, and crazy.

              That's a yahtzee!!

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 11 2021, @06:41AM (3 children)

              by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 11 2021, @06:41AM (#1098164)

              White Genocide is Real:

              Well I certainly hope so! No one deserves it more!

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 11 2021, @09:01PM (2 children)

                by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 11 2021, @09:01PM (#1098563)

                Why, because whites make desirable societies that everyone wants to migrate to. I don't see people trying to migrate to third world countries with corrupt governments where everyone is corrupt. In those countries it's the best scammers that make it ahead. That's why we get scammers calling and emailing us from these countries always trying to scam us. Often times their culture is that if you get scammed or if something is stolen from you it's your own fault. Either we need to change their culture (some people see a problem with that) or if we are to accept that their culture is the way it is then we should stop blaming other cultures for the fact that their own culture creates undesirable societies to live in.

                Then the whites try to move away from all the corruption with people that leave trash in the streets and graffiti everywhere but then they get followed. Because the corrupt don't want to live with their own kind. When their streets get trashed (because they're the ones trashing it) and their buildings get graffitied and dilapidated instead of maintaining their own buildings, fixing their owns streets, policing themselves (looking around police are disproportionately white. I see many Hispanic police as well which is admirable), stopping the graffiti, not throwing trash in the streets, they simply blame everyone else for their own problems. They say "we're poor", blah blah blah. That's no reason to trash the streets. Money is just a medium of exchange, no one is forcing you not to put in the work required to maintain your own buildings (ie: get some paint and paint the walls). Make your own societies desirable places to live. Don't keep expecting someone else to do it. Don't expect to follow those that create desirable societies and then trash their societies.

                With respect to slavery the U.S. got rid of slavery very quickly compared to other countries and slavery didn't originate from white societies.

                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 11 2021, @09:22PM (1 child)

                  by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 11 2021, @09:22PM (#1098583)

                  Also being poor is no excuse to do drugs. It's no excuse to keep creating multi-partner families. People of certain races are disproportionately much more likely to ditch school and have multi-partner families (ie: one mom having multiple children each with different dads. One dad having multiple children each having different moms). These are CHOICES that these people make. There are fundamental cultural differences between people of different races. We can either change their culture or stop blaming everyone else for the problems their own culture brings upon them.

                  Then the media complains how the Coronavirus has disproportionately affected poor people and 'minorities' and they somehow blame those with money and they just want to find a way to put the blame squarely on whites. Somehow everything is always all their faults, who cares about personal responsibility. It's not that simple and it's not fair for the media to do this. You can even argue that it's racist to keep blaming the whites for everyone else's problems. One can also argue that those with money are more responsible which is how they acquired their money in the first place (they are financially responsible and in general more responsible) and it's their responsible characteristics that resulted in them being less affected. There are different arguments to be made and looked at but the media just wants someone to villainize because that's what gets views and ratings. They need someone to be the villain.

                  (Multi-partner families disproportionately result in poverty).

                  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 12 2021, @10:30PM

                    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 12 2021, @10:30PM (#1099122)

                    burn in hell you piece of shit :-)

                    Wait, I mean, thoughts and prayers!

                    Wait, nope, right the first time, may your soul burn for being the evil fucker you are! White supremacists bad mmmkay?

        • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @03:39PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @03:39PM (#1097456)

          If there is left censorship why are you still here?

        • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Saturday January 09 2021, @04:08PM (28 children)

          by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Saturday January 09 2021, @04:08PM (#1097481) Homepage Journal

          Trump's problem is that he was on twitter.

          No matter your politics, you have to admit that Trump's non-stop tweets were just stoooopid. You don't run a presidential administration like some prom queen seeking popularity. Had Trump actually stopped and though about his tweets, and posted a weekly update, things may have been alright. If Trump had sought advice before posting, and allowed his press secretary to do the actual posting, things may have been alright. Lots of things may have been alright. But sitting around like some kid, trying to manipulate popularity ratings? Stooooopid.

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          • (Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @04:44PM (20 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @04:44PM (#1097496)

            He was being a president of the 21st century. The promise of bringing your message directly to the people was great considering the (traditional) media was trying to shoot him down already as a candidate.

            Do you think he would have even become president if he had not been able to talk directly to the people? The RNC would have anointed iJeb! or Kasich the same way the DNC strongarms their anointed candidates through the process.

            Trump's problem was that he was unsuspecting how the elites were conspiring against him, and failed to act in time. Three years of a healthy economy unmarred by new wars. Then the impeachment distraction while (in PA, and probably other states too) the Republican dominated legislature worked with the Democrats to allow mail-in voting, around November last year. The actual impeachment itself, followed by the politically motivated Covid panic. Here's where I think he grossly failed as a leader.

            Led around by the nose by Cuomo about hospital resources, the media about ventilators and testing. He tried to provide it all, but after being ridiculed in April, instead for standing up for America, he then pretty much stepped away for two months until the riots started and his balls grew back. By the time the elections were approaching his team saw the fraud potential of mail-in votes, but his lawsuits were shot down: "The signatures will be checked, so only valid votes will be counted". Twitter was tightening the noose, but Trump was too chicken to use an Alt-Twitter and/or too oblivious to provide his own backup on the whitehouse.gov domain YEARS ago. Trump, experienced in the backstabbing games like no other, now for the first time in his life is seeing his allies having to plan for life after Jan 20 and abandoning him.

            Best he can do right now is to swing the pardon and declassification pen, move out, and plan for 2024.

            • (Score: 3, Insightful) by helel on Saturday January 09 2021, @06:43PM (2 children)

              by helel (2949) on Saturday January 09 2021, @06:43PM (#1097546)

              He was being a president of the 21st century. The promise of bringing your message directly to the people was great considering the (traditional) media was trying to shoot him down already as a candidate.
              Do you think he would have even become president if he had not been able to talk directly to the people? The RNC would have anointed iJeb! or Kasich the same way the DNC strongarms their anointed candidates through the process.

              You are completely right, up to here. Trump never could have gotten the nomination without Twitter and even as president it played an important roll in maintaining his support.

              Trump's problem was that he was unsuspecting how the elites were conspiring against him, and failed to act in time.

              And here you go off the rails. If "the elites" really were conspiring against him they would have kicked him off Twitter and Facebook years ago. It's not some secret that Twitter was an absolutely vital component of his grip on power.

              The alternative would be to suggest that "the elites" did try to get him kicked off social media but that the executives at Twitter and Facebook were firmly in his camp and could not be persuaded. But that would mean that the last four years of complaints I've heard about those companies "censoring the right" were honestly mistaken, at best, or outright lies trying to cover up the hard right lean of both platforms!

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              • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @06:59PM (1 child)

                by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @06:59PM (#1097558)

                If "the elites" really were conspiring against him they would have kicked him off Twitter and Facebook years ago. It's not some secret that Twitter was an absolutely vital component of his grip on power.

                This is where you're mistaken. Before the riots, they didn't feel the Overton window covered censoring him yet. When the riots started happening, there were slight feelers of censorship for supposedly inciting the riots further. The push became stronger once he questioned the results of the "most secure election ever". Now in Trump's last days and with the show at the Capitol, the left is portraying Trump and half the country that voted for him as the plotters of a coup attempt. With so few days remaining, nobody's going to put their neck out for no reward and say "Hey, this is (still) our President, we should hear what he has to say!".

                You're wrong if you think Twitter is his lifeline of support. His followers are sitting on discussion sites (that haven't been deplatformed yet) and relaying info from Twitter. They could relay from any other medium he chooses to use.

                • (Score: 3, Informative) by helel on Saturday January 09 2021, @07:28PM

                  by helel (2949) on Saturday January 09 2021, @07:28PM (#1097578)

                  Nobody is portraying all of the 23% of the nation that voted for Trump as treasonous, just Trump himself and those who helped him engage in his coup attempt [businessinsider.com.au]. That said, anyone who still supports Trump is supporting a traitor against the United States.

                  As for banning from Twitter four years ago vs now... It's not like they've been shy about banning Trumps critics [foxnews.com]*. Maybe it's some kind of 4D chess to help him so much it hurts him but Occam's Razor would suggest that it's more likely they were just strait up helping him.

                  * Twitter claims they banned the accounts for using bot's to boost their follower count but Trump does the same thing [msn.com]...

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            • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Runaway1956 on Saturday January 09 2021, @07:23PM (14 children)

              by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Saturday January 09 2021, @07:23PM (#1097574) Homepage Journal

              Yes, you seem to understand how things worked.

              Most of my post just says that slower, considered, deliberate posting would have achieved his goals better. It seems that Trump just posted whatever was on his mind - shooting from the hip, if you please.

              If the man had conferred with even one or two trusted people, and considered his posts for a few hours, or a day even, he could have had more impact. More impact, and at the same time, avoided some of the traps that made him look stupid. Face it - Trump isn't the smartest of all presidents. He really needed to consider his words more carefully than he did. One stupid slip-up is more than enough for your enemies. Several stupid slipups are more than enough for non-fan non-enemies. Enough slips can begin alienating friends and allies. Careful consideration helps to eliminate those stupid slips.

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              • (Score: 5, Insightful) by aristarchus on Saturday January 09 2021, @09:03PM (11 children)

                by aristarchus (2645) on Saturday January 09 2021, @09:03PM (#1097629) Journal

                Runaway! If possible, you are becoming more stupid!

                If the man had conferred with even one or two trusted people, and considered his posts for a few hours, or a day even, he could have had more impact. More impact, and at the same time, avoided some of the traps that made him look stupid.

                Trump hired "the best people, the smartest people", so what he did on Twitter was the best, and some people are saying the best ever, tweeting ever done! So it was not the traps that made him look stupid, it was the stupid that made him look stupid.

                Impeach Trump, Again! And Runaway, you need to ask for forgiveness. Such stupidity cannot be unintentional, can it?

                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @11:02PM (5 children)

                  by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @11:02PM (#1097678)

                  It is not. He is a Russian troll that rides a very fine line between inciting chaos and remaining sane enough that he can radicalize more people. His style is very similar to Trump's, unhinged lunacy with just enough plausible deniability, otherwise he'd be written off just like Ethanol-Fueled and his username wouldn't have enough value.

                  • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday January 10 2021, @01:03AM

                    by Azuma Hazuki (5086) Subscriber Badge on Sunday January 10 2021, @01:03AM (#1097728) Journal

                    Runaway I don't think is any sort of foreign asset. He really is this insane and evil. He's putting way too much effort across way too much time for this to be anything but a personal obsession of his. My take is that he's a bitter old mediocrity who thinks the world owes him everything on a silver platter and is determined to burn it all down since it won't give him what he wanted.

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                  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 10 2021, @01:09AM (1 child)

                    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 10 2021, @01:09AM (#1097730)

                    Call everyone a Russian troll is always a good comeback when you have nothing...
                    I've never seen so much name calling! Keep it up; it works! /s

                    I wonder: Do the "cyber core" in various countries have AI that answers forum post. I bet you can train your AI very easy with all the partisan forums around to use as data.

                    • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 10 2021, @01:27AM

                      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 10 2021, @01:27AM (#1097738)

                      Call everyone a Russian troll is always a good comeback when you have nothing...
                      I've never seen so much name calling! Keep it up; it works!

                      Works especially well when they are a Russian operative! But you have to think, who would have an interest in fomenting an insurrection by the less intelligent sectors of America? I mean, this is not something a genius like Runaway could come up with all by him self. And he doesn't even realize he is committing treason by working for the Russians, some thing he shares with Flynn, Manafort, Stone, Bannon, and a curiously large proportion of the Trump "administration".

                      So, not name calling, just reasonable identification. Just arrest him first, and if he has nothing to hide, and really is too stupid to realize what he has done, he can confess and ask for forgiveness, as aristarchus keeps suggesting.

                  • (Score: 2) by Grishnakh on Sunday January 10 2021, @04:07AM (1 child)

                    by Grishnakh (2831) on Sunday January 10 2021, @04:07AM (#1097785)

                    I'm sure Putin is gleefully cackling about all the stuff Trump has managed to muck up in this country, but I'm sorry, the "Russian troll" thing just doesn't make sense. Sure, it seems like he's acting like one, but I don't think it's because Russia actually put him up to it. What advantage would this give to Trump? Is he going to move there after he leaves office and live in luxury, after being paid extremely handsomely by Putin? Really, what's in it for Trump? Because that's the *only* thing that ever matters to Trump.

                    • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 11 2021, @05:29AM

                      by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 11 2021, @05:29AM (#1098133)

                      Sure, it seems like he's acting like one, but I don't think it's because Russia actually put him up to it.

                      Put him up to it? No, not quite. On the other hand, my best guess is that Trump is up to his eye teeth in debt to Russian oligarchs. It seems to me that would go a long way to explain a lot about his extreme deference to Putin.

                      Is he going to move there after he leaves office and live in luxury, after being paid extremely handsomely by Putin?

                      For my part, I will not be at all surprised if Trump makes a sudden dash for Moscow just after Biden is sworn in as President. Remember, you saw it here first!

                • (Score: 2, Touché) by Runaway1956 on Sunday January 10 2021, @12:53AM (4 children)

                  by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Sunday January 10 2021, @12:53AM (#1097720) Homepage Journal

                  No, dude, YOU need to ask forgiveness.

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                  • (Score: 2, Insightful) by aristarchus on Sunday January 10 2021, @01:20AM (3 children)

                    by aristarchus (2645) on Sunday January 10 2021, @01:20AM (#1097734) Journal

                    Again, Runaway, recent events seem too fast for you, or you are too slow for them. I did not commit treason against my country, you did. We already have one Arkansas man under arrest. Don't be the next, Runaway! Confess! Confess! The Power of Christ Compels you! Confess, Runaway, before it is too late. Sic semper tryannis, you know.

                    • (Score: 1, Flamebait) by aristarchus on Sunday January 10 2021, @10:40AM (2 children)

                      by aristarchus (2645) on Sunday January 10 2021, @10:40AM (#1097837) Journal

                      I am seeing aristarchus getting modded down for factually correct posts. Does this mesn we should ban him further? I mean, if he is saying true stuff that hurts the feefees of our nazi soylentils, should he not be banned? At least shadow-banned, to save the feelings of our extremely light-skinned and racist soylentils? Or are we just going to let some Ancient Greek Philosopher point out how stupid they are? Huh? I mean, they are idiots, but do we need aristarchus to keep pointing it out in such hurtful ways?

                      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 10 2021, @02:01PM

                        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 10 2021, @02:01PM (#1097867)

                        Nah, it means you're trolling too much. When you have the upper hand you give people a hug, you don't corner them.

                      • (Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 11 2021, @05:53AM

                        by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 11 2021, @05:53AM (#1098140)

                        Sorry, Bubba, it's your personality more than anything. Also the scarcity of "facts" in your posts. As has often been pointed out, when you resort to name calling, it means you have lost, and you have nothing.

                        Also, you still have that same bit of brisket gristle stuck between your teeth from LAST weekend.

              • (Score: 2) by krishnoid on Saturday January 09 2021, @09:31PM

                by krishnoid (1156) on Saturday January 09 2021, @09:31PM (#1097645)

                I wondered in the first year if Twitter shouldn't have escrowed [sic] his tweets, called the White House press secretary, and asked: "Hey, he just tweeted this, and ... uh ... [rustle, rustle, 'hey, um, say this', rustle rustle] 'We offer no opinion on its content.' Do you want to approve this post, have us find a way for you to approve them for release on a tweet-by-tweet basis, or just give us the goahead to pass through all his posts from here on as-is?"

                "We can wait a couple days for your response -- I think there will be a lot more of these in the future."

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 11 2021, @01:04PM

                by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 11 2021, @01:04PM (#1098251)

                Most of my post just says that slower, considered, deliberate posting would have achieved his goals better.

                Like instead of a failed insurrection and failed coup attempt, he could have had the Capitol burned to the ground the night before and then blame Democrats and the "weak RINOs" and have them arrested by the morning? Is this what you would have preferred?

            • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 10 2021, @08:36AM (1 child)

              by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 10 2021, @08:36AM (#1097830)

              When it comes to voting you want each vote to have a chain of custody from the actual voter to whoever is counting the votes. This chain of custody needs to be unbroken until the results are finalized (ie: election guards and publicly accessible/broadcasted cameras should be present the whole time. Those cameras should be recording, the footage should be downloadable).

              One of the issues with mail in ballots is that they break this chain of custody. I don't know if a vote originated from a voter or from a printer mass printing random votes.

              Voters can fill out their ballots at home. However they should individually drop their votes off at polling stations, present their photo IDs to election guards in front of publicly accessible video cameras, have their photos taken and publicly cataloged with their identifying information, and be crossed off the list of eligible voters before dropping off their ballot. I want to know who voted.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 10 2021, @11:53PM

                by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 10 2021, @11:53PM (#1098018)

                I want to know who voted.

                You can already find that out. It's public information. It's just that we do it in a way that preserves anonymity, and that's the part you don't like.

          • (Score: 2, Informative) by legont on Saturday January 09 2021, @05:29PM

            by legont (4179) on Saturday January 09 2021, @05:29PM (#1097511)

            He just fixed this problem https://t.me/trump [t.me]

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          • (Score: 1) by crafoo on Sunday January 10 2021, @11:59PM (5 children)

            by crafoo (6639) on Sunday January 10 2021, @11:59PM (#1098023)

            Trump is a harmless clown. The best thing he did was to not do much of anything for 4 years. If only every president could be this way.

            • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 11 2021, @01:12AM (1 child)

              by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 11 2021, @01:12AM (#1098046)

              So you're not only a supporter of seditious traitors but now you're trying to lay cover for him? What happened to 11D chess? What happened to the master troll? What happened to the master negotiator?

              Such garbage, do you have any thoughts of your own? Or just the propaganda narrative given to you by OANN, Hannity, Carlson, et all?

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 11 2021, @06:23AM

                by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 11 2021, @06:23AM (#1098160)

                A President who does nothing is an ideal President. No new wars. A Congress that does nothing is an ideal Congress. Bipartisanship means the little guy is about to get screwed over.

            • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Monday January 11 2021, @05:57AM (2 children)

              by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Monday January 11 2021, @05:57AM (#1098142) Homepage Journal

              Well, to be fair, he did have a third rate general from a second world nation assassinated. Fekkin warmonger!!

              But, you're right. It seems he has killed off fewer brown people than even our half-white president.

              Question: Isn't half-white and half-black something like brown?

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              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 11 2021, @06:49AM (1 child)

                by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 11 2021, @06:49AM (#1098168)

                Shut up, Runaway, you racist cracker of a disgusting shade of pale! Obama is ten times the man you will ever be! Just admit that this is the source of all your hate, a black president! In the White House! Galls you, don't it, you racist fuck. Worse than Clinton, the first black president? Ouuuhh! Stings more? You are a loser, Runaway, you are the worst sort of white trash. And you are stupid and ignorant. And butt ugly.

                • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Monday January 11 2021, @03:13PM

                  by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Monday January 11 2021, @03:13PM (#1098313) Homepage Journal

                  You maroon, there was no black president. There was a half-white president who exploited the color of his skin to identify with the sons and daughters of American slaves. Obama has no kinship to any American slave. He's an outsider, an interloper.

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                  "no more than 8 bullets in a round" - Joe Biden
      • (Score: 1, Troll) by barbara hudson on Saturday January 09 2021, @02:38PM (3 children)

        by barbara hudson (6443) <barbara.Jane.hudson@icloud.com> on Saturday January 09 2021, @02:38PM (#1097406) Journal
        Silly rabbit - you won't find any of your posts via google - googlebot is banned by the robots,txt file. Stop being so paranoid.
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        • (Score: 5, Informative) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday January 09 2021, @02:44PM

          No it's not [soylentnews.org].

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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @04:16PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @04:16PM (#1097485)

          > Silly rabbit ...

          This Google search string:
                    site:soylentnews.org trump shitter

          Found:
                    About 80 results (0.26 seconds)
          Feel free to repeat for yourself. The more recent ones turn up annoying posts by "dryhump39", but my AC comment about Trump's Twitter account doesn't seem to have made it into big G's index yet.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 10 2021, @02:14AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 10 2021, @02:14AM (#1097762)
    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @02:24PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @02:24PM (#1097402)

      Neutrons are neutral particles that neutrally have neutral electricity neutral charge.

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