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Drupal founder Dries Buytaert expelled Larry "Crell" Garfield from the Drupal community (archive) for his involvement in the BDSM community. Garfield claims this was done at the demand of Drupal Security team member Klaus "klausi" Purer and unknown others secretly pressuring Drupal leadership to have him removed for his private sex life.
takyon: From Larry's response:
I am involved in two such communities, specifically the BDSM community and the Gorean (Gor) community. The former is by far the larger of the two and more varied, although I spend more of my time and activity in the Gorean community. It's a small community, and sadly much of what is found online about it is utter crap, just as most in the BDSM community find the "50 Shades" representation of BDSM to be harmfully misleading. The Gorean subculture is inspired by a science-fiction book series written from the 1960s onward to today, and predicated on a strong sense of personal honor, integrity, and community. It also practices consensual Master/slave relationships, and has a strong gender bias toward male-Dom/female-sub relationships, but that is not the cornerstone of Gorean culture. There are other groups that are biased the other way, or have no gender bias. There are even groups in Chicago (where I live) that have regular "fem-dom" parties. To each their own.
It's the same Gor that was adapted into two films, one of which appeared on an episode of Mystery Science Theater 3000.
(Score: 5, Interesting) by takyon on Monday March 27 2017, @01:51PM (61 children)
https://www.garfieldtech.com/comment/2542#comment-2542 [garfieldtech.com]
This comment summed it up pretty well imo:
Emphasis altered slightly because we have no underline.
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(Score: 3, Funny) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday March 27 2017, @02:15PM (10 children)
Pretty much tells you everything you need to know about the difference between 3rd Gen Feminists and 2nd Gen Feminists. 2nd Gen-ers were about equality and liberty regardless of gender. 3rd Gen-ers are opposed to both regardless of gender.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Monday March 27 2017, @05:42PM (6 children)
Yeah, you're not alone in observing that large chunks of the so-called 3rd wave are somewhere between farcical and outright traitorous. The anti-trafficking stuff I do runs into this bizarre and obvious fifth column that's inserted into the "sex-positive" contingent of the third wave that has this utter obsession with legalizing prostitution or--as anyone who has observed it, let alone lived it, will call it--*commercialized rape.* Dig a little deeper into the networks of the most vocal of this type and you start seeing squicky connections.
I've been called, get this, "whore-phobic" for wanting the Nordic Model (or to be more precise, a sensical, reasoned version of it that doesn't accidentally enable pimps). And accused of being afraid that someone "more sexually adventurous" would "steal my man." There are at least 3 wrong assumptions in there, by the way.
So what's a girl to do?! I'm already on a lot of peoples' shitlists for being insufficiently extreme about certain things. Maybe we need a "fourth wave?"
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 1) by khallow on Monday March 27 2017, @07:44PM (4 children)
I've been called, get this, "whore-phobic" for wanting the Nordic Model (or to be more precise, a sensical, reasoned version of it that doesn't accidentally enable pimps).
You can't get rid of pimps. If you look elsewhere in the entertainment industry, there are all sorts of supervisor/support personnel such as managers, producers, book agents, editors, etc who perform the same roles that pimps do in the prostitution industry. The huge difference is that those other industries are legal and hence subject to a variety of regulations that usually prevent the sort of dysfunctional relationships that pimps are infamous for.
My view is that having and enforcing normal workplace rules will eliminate virtually all of the problems that pimps are known for.
(Score: 2) by MostCynical on Monday March 27 2017, @10:21PM (3 children)
Insightful and reasonable.
Unfortunately, there seems to be a weird dichotomy for "small government" types - where regulation exists, and seems to work, it is wanted. Where it doesn't yet exist, or isn't working (and in both cases, someone is being explioted, or someone is 'missing out'), they complain about they don't want the regulation.
I don't think you can keep everyone happy. Trying to keep *most* people safe and free of exploitation is noble, but also likely to fail, especially if the sorts of people at Drupal keep acting like this.
"I guess once you start doubting, there's no end to it." -Batou, Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex
(Score: 1) by khallow on Monday March 27 2017, @10:55PM (2 children)
Unfortunately, there seems to be a weird dichotomy for "small government" types - where regulation exists, and seems to work, it is wanted. Where it doesn't yet exist, or isn't working (and in both cases, someone is being explioted, or someone is 'missing out'), they complain about they don't want the regulation.
What's weird about it? You seem to be saying where regulation is proven to work, then "small government" types are for it. And where it's not proven to work, then they aren't. Doesn't seem weird to me, but I'm probably not getting your point.
I don't think you can keep everyone happy. Trying to keep *most* people safe and free of exploitation is noble, but also likely to fail, especially if the sorts of people at Drupal keep acting like this.
Drupal is its own reward. When the organization is more concerned about weird crap like this than delivering useful code, it's well on its way to becoming irrelevant. It's not that hard to come up with replacement organizations to replace Drupal. Nor is it that hard to leave Drupal, especially if there's a boot print on your tail bone.
(Score: 2) by MostCynical on Tuesday March 28 2017, @12:19AM (1 child)
Either the free market is free, so companies can hire and fire at will, or regulation is needed.
"You can't fire (or not hire) based on skin colour, repigion, etc etc"
"You can't hire ( " ) based on sexual preferences"
..
Where does it stop?
For a true "small governement" proponent, step one: free to hire, fire, descriminate, exploit, at will. Free means employees can go elsewhere, right?
Companies can also collude, pollute, avoid tax (tax is theft, after all)
Some regulation? Just a little bit pregnant?
More on topic, Drupal deserves to shrivel up and blow away.
"I guess once you start doubting, there's no end to it." -Batou, Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex
(Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday March 28 2017, @12:40AM
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 28 2017, @07:29AM
Not only the difference between 2nd generation and 3rd generation of feminists is not real, the only reason this difference is talked about is because of political success of 2nd gen in terming any opposition into "misogyny" and "wants to put women back into the kitchen/1960" or some other similar adhominem. Furthermore the constant propaganda convinces us that feminism is an ideological movement and not a purely political one. "Do you believe in equality? Then you are a feminist and you are just too stupid to not know that." Of course the reality is not that. Feminism has, and it is implied from its name as such, a political movement which wants to put women in more powerful position. It doesn't care who foots the bill as long as it is not women. Functionally it has always portrayed the dominant workforce as an enemy. It is cis-white-het-male in europe, it is islam in middle east, it is hindu in India, it is buddhists in buddhism. Wait one generation and you will find the 4th generation talking about how great 3rd generation of feminists were who were fighting the devil incarnate aka Trump while 4th generation of feminists only want to have more power in already equal society. Why? Because in this equality debate, there is no voice of men. Well, maybe election of Trump stops this nonsense, but lets see.
See, historically manhood was defined by the ability to follow the system (i.e. honor), to protect and provide women. Hence by design the system attracted more men. But now, when we are opulence is way-of-life and government and machinery takes care of most basic needs, licking pussy has become the new standard of manhood. It is only recent that lack of sex has become an insult. When that happens, you can expect corruption to be institutionalized. What is surprising is that while the geeks/nerds were the first people to suffer this - they were the ones being ostracized for 'not being cool' by the girls and their jocks - but because they ended up making a lot of money and hence made the geeky things ultimately look cool, the newer generation of script kiddies are the bullies and not the bullied.
A simple metaphor is look at it as a power game between the queen and the king where queen wants the diamond and the throne in the name of female peasantry, then demonizes slutty behavior [thoughtcatalog.com] to keep those rights with only the "worthy women". King on the other hand, who controls the wealth, is under no moral obligation to pretend that he is worried about the male peasantry. At the end, it is the male peasantry that pays the price for this whole show, literally by paying more tax and then removing themselves from the gene pool (army/suicide).
Posting anonymous so avoid abuse.
(Score: 2) by FatPhil on Monday March 27 2017, @09:11PM
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Gaaark on Tuesday March 28 2017, @12:42AM (1 child)
What i've noticed is that it used to be about 'strong women' and equality and (you know the songs, sing along with me) "I am woman hear me roar" and "R.E.S.P.E.C.T.".
Now all i hear is women allowing themselves to be called 'Bitches', and hearing "He my babbie daddy" (isn't that the stupidest phrase someone could say, besides "Who are you wearing?", heard at celebrity fuck-tard things).
Women used to want respect. Now they are fine with being 'bitches' and unmarried baby portals?
Damn. Aretha Franklin: are you still ALIVE?
--- Please remind me if I haven't been civil to you: I'm channeling MDC. ---Gaaark 2.0 ---
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday March 28 2017, @01:42AM
Sort of. You're comparing feminists to women though. Given the changes to feminism over the past couple decades, most people (even most women) utterly refuse to associate themselves with the movement anymore.
Today's feminists are not for equality because that negates their every push for special treatment. They're also not for strong women because strong women flat refuse to shut up and do what they're told.
See Christina Hoff Summers vs. Anita Sarkeesian if you need further detail.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 1) by pTamok on Monday March 27 2017, @03:10PM (4 children)
Emphasis altered slightly because we have no underline.
Who is this 'w̲e̲', kemosabe? ;-)
*Yes, I cheated with Unicode.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by takyon on Monday March 27 2017, @03:13PM (3 children)
𝕿𝖍𝖆𝖙'𝖘 𝖘𝖔𝖒𝖊 𝖘𝖙𝖆𝖓𝖐 𝖚𝖓𝖉𝖊𝖗𝖑𝖎𝖓𝖊, 𝖞𝖔. 💩
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(Score: 2) by mhajicek on Monday March 27 2017, @03:48PM (2 children)
Oh look, rectangles.
The spacelike surfaces of time foliations can have a cusp at the surface of discontinuity. - P. Hajicek
(Score: 2) by FatPhil on Monday March 27 2017, @09:22PM (1 child)
[* as humans understand "gothic", not how typographers understand "gothic", which is the exact opposite]
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
(Score: 2) by takyon on Monday March 27 2017, @10:42PM
Emoji are just the hieroglyphics of the millennials! World War 3 now! ☠🔥🔯💃🍉📢🍄🌵🌀⚡🌏☪☮📴👌👌👌
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(Score: -1, Flamebait) by kurenai.tsubasa on Monday March 27 2017, @03:37PM (44 children)
*snort* Bwahahaha!
Let's count how many times this attempts to divide by zero. Just like dividing by zero, the question of what the answer would be is itself meaningless. So, I can't use the word “unpossible” below, because that would imply both sarcasm and that it is actually possible.
I've known you for many years, and your feminist cred is not remotely in question in my book.
Impossible for somebody assigned the male gender caste. “Feminist cred” is always under question for assigned males. In fact, “feminist cred” is the act of sexually submitting to womyn-born-womyn. Therefore, this is a direct violation of “feminist cred.” It will not be forgiven. The only way for other assigned males to defend their “feminist cred” is to ruthlessly attack this person until their womyn-born-womyn sexual dominators are satisfied.
you've shown only respect for your female peers
Irrelevant. The acts he was engaged in directly challenge and subvert womyn-born-womyn domination.
championed them in several avenues
Irrelevant. This is not a virtue for assigned males; this is an expectation of their submission to womyn-born-womyn domination.
But again, my opinion of you DOESN'T MATTER EITHER.
Oh hey! Correct! Because you, ma'am, are a traitor to your own gender. You should feel lucky you haven't been busted down a caste or two for writing this.
If there were evidence of you treating women poorly without their consent, this would be another conversation.
Further proof of this woman's traitorous intentions. His act of subversion of womyn-born-womyn sexual dominance is itself evidence of treating women poorly.
If there were evidence of you making unwanted advances (or advances of any kind) in professional situations, be they kink-oriented or vanilla, this might be another conversation.
Wrong. When an assigned male subverts womyn-born-womyn supremacy in one part of life, he subverts it in all parts of life. Therefore, his membership in this club is itself, by definition is proof of unwanted advances in professional situations.
Just like the acts of rape I am guilty of, these are acts that involve no specific womyn-born-womyn, but are acts against all womyn-born-womyn. They are crimes that require no specific action on the part of the assigned male criminal. There will be punishment for this crime against the individual for virtual rape (kind of like virtual particles in quantum physics—doesn't actually exist except as a way to explain other phenomena; maybe if Unruh waves catch on we can start calling it Unruh rape instead), and against all assigned males collectively and severally for failure to recognize this act of rape in their legal system.
But those who inject themselves into other people's sex lives and cast judgement are never on the right side of history.
That's it! Somebody bust this traitor down to the male gender caste; inject HIM with testosterone so HE is marked for the rest of HIS life as an assigned male. Womyn-born-womyn have every right by the word of the Goddess Diane to control the bodies and sex lives of inferior castes.
lol… so stupid, so predictable
(Score: 2) by takyon on Monday March 27 2017, @04:07PM (4 children)
To be clear, you don't actually disagree with what the comment says, and are just taking this opportunity to snark at your oppressors, right?
Like "liberal", "conservative", "libertarian", or "fascist", "feminism" has about as much definition as a screeching noise. The worst thing you can say about it is that it seemingly encompasses less than "humanism" or "egalitarianism", which is basically the same can of worms as the (Black|All) Lives Matter semantic debate.
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(Score: 1) by kurenai.tsubasa on Monday March 27 2017, @06:04PM (3 children)
To be clear, you don't actually disagree with what the comment says
Correct. I imagine that makes me complicit in human trafficking and sex slavery, but since I'm already a metaphysical rapist with a woman suit, meh.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 27 2017, @07:09PM (2 children)
Whether or not you care, the phrase "woman suit" sounds very creepy.
(Score: 2) by takyon on Monday March 27 2017, @07:14PM
What do you expect from the
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(Score: 1) by kurenai.tsubasa on Monday March 27 2017, @11:07PM
That's the intended effect. It's how feminists view the result of female HRT on the male body, though I was inspired by The Silence of the Lambs for the specific phrasing. Lizard people are also known to wear woman suits (as takyon noted) as well as killer robots from the future.
All of these are threatening because an impostor takes advantage of appearing to be something else than what it really is. The impostor has ulterior motives and is using deception to obtain its goals.
Killer robots from the future may appear to be attractive young women (Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles), thus hijacking the instinct many men have of letting their guard down around attractive young women. Lizard people appear to be no different from humans in V as well as Icke's theories and similarly cause people to let their guard down for nefarious ends. According to feminists, trans women undergo HRT as a process of becoming, not unlike the Low Men [wikia.com] in Sai King's fiction, in order to invade womyn-born-womyn only spaces as covert agents of the patriarchy.
I use it because I'm not asking anybody for acceptance, certainly not any feminist!
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Monday March 27 2017, @05:43PM (38 children)
Shit like this is why people think of transwomen as hysterical drama queens, Kurenai. Congratulations, you're setting your whole group back 5 years every time you post, not to mention alienating the vast majority of feminists, who are *not* TERFs. Get over yourself.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 1) by kurenai.tsubasa on Monday March 27 2017, @05:59PM (14 children)
Nope, not gonna shut up lol. You folks already have bathroom laws on the books. What's going to be the group punishment when abortion is banned? I imagine you can't post about that in a forum that's open to other castes besides yours.
I might accept that there's possibly some way of promotion from the male gender caste to some quasi-female gender caste that the docile, passive, and submissive trans woman might, with womyn-born-womyn sponsorship, qualify for. I have no interest in being docile, passive, or submissive, however.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Monday March 27 2017, @06:15PM (13 children)
And I'm not asking you to. I'm telling you back the hell off and realize most of us feminists are *on your side.* The TERFs and the selfish rich white haters are the classic small but loud group, like Westboro is compared to Christianity in general. If you want to keep (most of) us on your side, you damn well better stop saying half the human race is evil simply for being born female.
Do you understand that you are becoming a transgender parody of the d00dbr0 cohort, the coding frat-boys?
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 1) by kurenai.tsubasa on Monday March 27 2017, @06:46PM (12 children)
Who was ever on my side? On the side of docile, submissive trans women, I'm sure! lol.
Half the human race isn't evil for being born one way or another. They're more like
poisonous mushrooms, er,skittles, er M&Ms! But we've been over that before, and that's exactly the opinion feminists act on explicitly [slate.com], even incorporating it in abusive acts directed at children. Either there's time travel involved here, or the sentiment expressed in that 2014 Slate article is much older.So, let me guess. Half the human race are giftpilze, which is why I'm supposed to do the Schrödinger's Rapist Dance or whatever before I dare speak to you, but at the same time, the other half of the human race can't possibly be giftpilze?
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Monday March 27 2017, @06:58PM
That isn't even close to what I said, and either you know it and are being a troll, or you're too hysterical to reason with. I'm really not sure which at this point.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Monday March 27 2017, @07:03PM (10 children)
Christ, you didn't even understand what the fucking article you linked said!
Let me simplify it: it is true that not all men, indeed very few men, are actually rapists, misogynist murderers, etc. The worst most of them do comes more from ignorance and privilege than actual ill intent. What #yesallwomen means is that this is still widespread enough that virtually all women have or will, at some point, experience at the very least threats.
Men have threatened to "rape me straight," Kurenai. My sister *was* raped, when she was only 14. You know about the anti-trafficking work I do, and I would not wish some of the nightmares it's generated on my worst enemies. At the same time, most of the men in my life have been nothing but good to me; my brother is an excellent human being, for example, who does charity work and teaches music in central China.
Do you get it now? It's true that #notallmen, indeed #notevenclosetoallmen, are like this, but #yesallwomen have been affected. Part of it is because the actual virulent men have a very wide reach; rapists tend to be serial for example.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 1) by kurenai.tsubasa on Monday March 27 2017, @07:31PM (1 child)
Do you get it now?
No, I still don't get it, Azuma. Find the individuals who did those things. Why doesn't feminism focus on bringing those individuals to justice instead of overlooking their actions and focusing on collective retribution?
How do you think holding all assigned males, as a matter of policy in certain places, accountable for those things is going to help, assuming that you wish for a world where those things didn't happen?
What gives womyn-born-womyn the right to demand that my body be cut up at birth?¹
What gives womyn-born-womyn the right to get between my doctor and me?
What gives womyn-born-womyn the right to coerce me into sexual acts? Even if the womyn-born-womyn is personally not the one backing up that coercion with violence, even if the violent end of the bargain is in the hands of another assigned male, the womyn-born-womyn is still complicit with the person who will implement the violence, because she is the person demanding the sexual act.
The actions of your rape-threatener and your sister's actual rapist give you no rights over me, no matter how you gender me.
I don't think I will ever get it.
¹ Note: I've spotted an AC going around today spamming on this subject. That's not me.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday March 28 2017, @12:58AM
You're tilting at a straw feminist if you're trying to say I think like that. I find the collective guilt idea reprehensible, and don't personally apply it. There's a post below that may help explain my thinking a bit. But, I don't want any rights over you that aren't already there (and reciprocal) under plain, simple humanism.
To be clear, anyone using "butbut MUH FEMINISM" to justify some sort of violence done to you or your body or your sexual self is not only evil, they're hypocritical as hell on top of it, because the entire *point* of intersectionality in feminism is that a hell of a lot of problems women have are in part problems along other axes of discrimination such as race, class, geographic location, and yes, gender identity/expression. There is a multiplier effect too; a woman who is also black and living in a Muslim country is going to have more problems, both related to her being female and not, than a white, agnostic/secular woman in the Northeast. Those awful fucking TERFs who harmed you in Michigan are a prime example, and they ought to damn well *know better!*
I believe I have enough evidence that trans people such as yourself are not simply deluded or making it up; there was a study on brain scans showing MtF brains looked somewhere between the two sexes (statistically speaking; brains are a mosaic and there's no stereotypical male or female brain) and FtM brains looked rather male. This is real. You are valid. And this is another axis in the intersectionality bundle; gender nonconformers are hideously abused, partly because it ticks about half a dozen "violent disgust" boxes in the minds of RWNJs and their massive, overactive amygdalas.
In short, I'm *on your bloody side,* but like all other humans, I don't like being mischaracterized. If you think it's unfair for the TERFs and the venomous radicals to say all men are evil by nature, don't then turn around and do the opposite.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by Spamalope on Monday March 27 2017, @08:07PM (6 children)
virtually all women have or will, at some point, experience at the very least threats.
The same thing can be said about men who've been victims of the 'justice' of removing due process for men. Why is only one gender empowered?
Fixing the injustice by one group of people with new injustices against another group is no solution. It's no surprise that the second group will resent attempts to silence them. The two groups sharing a gender isn't an excuse, unless they're claiming gender based group membership as a pass.
I've been reprimanded, lost a raise and was reassigned for turning down a date.
I overheard three women planning the specifics of false harassment claims to make against a male co-worker because they wanted him replaced with someone 'hotter' (their words) (he was in his 50s, based on the conversation they wanted someone 'dateable' (also their words -shrug-)). They did so a few months later. I went to HR, and was threatened with termination if I ever spoke of it or was involved in any dispute with those three - and the harassment claims were backed up by HR after an 'investigation'.
Later those three threatened me with harassment charges unless I framed a co-worker. The specific threat would have been a felony, so the risk to me was termination and jail. I already knew the HR director would back them up.
I've been threatened with harassment charges unless I agreed to a tryst with a co-worker. The genders would have to be revered for the word 'rape' to be thrown around though, wouldn't it?
My peers have similar experiences.
How about we stop empowering assholes? Adding gender blinders is not an improvement!
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday March 28 2017, @12:45AM (5 children)
This one's for Kurenai as well as you, and I hope it's a bit of an eye-opener: feminism tends to label its collective demons "the patriarchy," but the word "kyriarchy" would be closer to the truth. And why is this? *Because the "patriarchy* chews up and spits out most of our boys and men too.*
THIS is what's gotten me kicked out of a fair number of feminist circles, though honestly, if they're not going to be sane and self-aware enough to admit that, I don't *want* to be part of those circles.
Do you notice who it is who's starting wars? Men. Who mostly dies in those wars? Soldier-wise, men. Who is it that's made nearly all the laws in this country, including the utterly shitty ones that discriminate based on race and money? Men. Who is it who suffers most of the ill effects of these laws? Men, especially poor men and black men?
What is the difference between the ones starting wars and the soldiers dying in them? The ones making the evil laws and the ones suffering for it? Money and power. NOT gonads or chromosomes. To me, feminism is one particularly important branch of humanism, and it's not one I let get in the way of that basic humanism. And it sucks complete ass that so many self-described feminists do, and no matter how much I tell them they're making things worse for all of us, *they don't listen.*
What happened to you was unequivocally *wrong,* absolutely wrong, and the women who did this to you have made this entire stupid damn battle of the sexes that much worse for that much longer because of it. If acknowledging this makes me a "bad feminist," then so be it.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 28 2017, @04:42AM (4 children)
And feminism helps so much! Yeah right. Understand that men are nothing if they do not contribute to society in a meaningful way, that is and always will be the way of man.
Hahaha, please, you think women are incapable of starting one? War is merely an extension to enforce policy.
Yes, look at all the women signing up to die in a bloody trench somewhere. Look at all the women who want to die in a burning tank when an AP round penetrates the firing chamber. Look at all the women lining up to board the boat to a cold death at sea.
Look at the women given a choice not to die horribly by the patriarchy.
There were no female legislators, ever since the written history of man.
It's as if women are more insulated from this terrible fate by simply marrying upwards!
Sounds like someone who only has a cursory study of history. Understand this, Might makes Right, if you don't, someone else will.
You feminists are all the same, only vying for more power for yourselves. Doesn't matter 1st wave to 4th wave, its all a power grab with weaponized empathy, always has been and always will be.
Yes, yes you are bad. Please purge all of it. Men and women are not equal and never will be, men would be women too if they could be pregnant and give birth.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday March 28 2017, @06:52AM (3 children)
O~kay, uh, whoever you are? Chill. Seriously. I got a few Midol left over. Same offer I usually make Uzzard there, except he seems to prefer to medicate his cramps with shitty beer and...hell, I don't know, screwing his cousin or whatever they do where he's from.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 28 2017, @07:39AM (2 children)
Done feeling smug? Now, address the statements.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 28 2017, @04:25PM (1 child)
I'll respond for her point by point:
*Because the "patriarchy* chews up and spits out most of our boys and men too.*
And feminism helps so much! Yeah right. Understand that men are nothing if they do not contribute to society in a meaningful way, that is and always will be the way of man.
YOU'RE DUMB AND DON'T LISTEN / HAVE READING COMPREHENSION
Do you notice who it is who's starting wars? Men.
Hahaha, please, you think women are incapable of starting one? War is merely an extension to enforce policy.
YOU'RE DUMB AND DON'T READ HISTORY
Who mostly dies in those wars? Soldier-wise, men.
Yes, look at all the women signing up to die in a bloody trench somewhere. Look at all the women who want to die in a burning tank when an AP round penetrates the firing chamber. Look at all the women lining up to board the boat to a cold death at sea.
Look at the women given a choice not to die horribly by the patriarchy.
EXACTLY THE POINT DUMB DUMB, MEN ARE PRIMARILY THE FIRST VICTIMS OF WAR. THEN WOMEN AND CHILDREN LEFT ON THEIR OWN.
Who is it that's made nearly all the laws in this country, including the utterly shitty ones that discriminate based on race and money? Men
There were no female legislators, ever since the written history of man.
DUMB DUMB NEEDS TO STUDY STATISTICS BETTER
Who is it who suffers most of the ill effects of these laws? Men, especially poor men and black men?
It's as if women are more insulated from this terrible fate by simply marrying upwards
POINT STILL STANDS, MEN SUFFER TOO DUMMY
What is the difference between the ones starting wars and the soldiers dying in them? The ones making the evil laws and the ones suffering for it? Money and power.
Sounds like someone who only has a cursory study of history. Understand this, Might makes Right, if you don't, someone else will.
YOU'RE STILL BEING AN ABSOLUTE DUMMY HARHAR
To me, feminism is one particularly important branch of humanism, and it's not one I let get in the way of that basic humanism.
You feminists are all the same, only vying for more power for yourselves. Doesn't matter 1st wave to 4th wave, its all a power grab with weaponized empathy, always has been and always will be.
YOU'RE A DUMMY AND NOW AN IDIOT! WEAPONIZED EMPATHY? RETURN YOUR BRAIN, IS DEFECTIVE
What happened to you was unequivocally *wrong,* absolutely wrong, and the women who did this to you have made this entire stupid damn battle of the sexes that much worse for that much longer because of it. If acknowledging this makes me a "bad feminist," then so be it.
Yes, yes you are bad. Please purge all of it. Men and women are not equal and never will be, men would be women too if they could be pregnant and give birth.
SOUNDS LIKE SOMEONE HAS SOME SERIOUS IDENTITY ISSUES... MIGHT WANNA LOOK INTO THAT BEFORE YOUR DUMMY BRAINS DOES YOU IN
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 29 2017, @01:04AM
So you don't have anything to refute with, bye Felicia.
(Score: 2) by Gaaark on Tuesday March 28 2017, @12:58AM
Not my fight, but i had to mod you insightful for the not all men thing.
Unfortunately, some men
--- Please remind me if I haven't been civil to you: I'm channeling MDC. ---Gaaark 2.0 ---
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday March 28 2017, @01:47AM (22 children)
That's liberty for you, yo. He can be a drama queen if he wants to and it's nobody's damn business to be telling him he can't or shouldn't because it isn't in line with their narrative.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday March 28 2017, @04:10AM (21 children)
Compared to you she's a fucking Rhodes Scholar, Uzzard. You specifically chose to reply to this to use the wrong pronoun just to be a cock, too. Aren't there some cheap beers waiting to be swilled and some firearms to be irresponsibly discharged after the swilling of same? Piss off.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday March 28 2017, @10:24AM (20 children)
No, sweety, your gender is not something you can change. You can play dress-up all you like, because Merica, but that's all it is. I shall not play the pronoun game for anyone's amusement.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 28 2017, @04:30PM (1 child)
The Mighty Scuzzard fails biology, news at 11.
I shall not play the pronoun game for anyone's amusement
Well we can all see that you play it for your own amusement so fuck off you hypocritical turd monkey.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday March 28 2017, @05:33PM
I give you 3 out of 10 for that one. It would have been 1 out of 10 for utterly failing to make an argument supported by anything ever but I liked the phrase "turd monkey".
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday March 28 2017, @04:34PM (17 children)
No, sweetie, your chromosomal sex and to a lesser extent your phenotype are things you can't change. Gender identity is a different thing. It's an epiphenomenon; it supervenes on your genes, your hormonal environment in utero, possibly epigenetic and environmental factors, and the society around you. In some societies I'd be considered "third gender" or "two-spirited" or whatever rather than "cis-female" because of the cultural lens I'd be viewed through seeing me as, essentially, "woman with many of a man's desires."
Statistically speaking, gender identity corresponds to karyotype corresponds to gross morphology, i.e., someone with a 46,XX genotype will usually look noticeably female and conform to a large degree to society's idea of what it is to be a woman. But as in any distribution, there are outliers.
Trans people have some sort of birth defect, something that manifests as gender nonconformity in the presence of all the factors listed above. Based on my experiences with them, they don't seem to be making it up, or insane; I've got a friend from an old job, Aaron, who was born Paige. He describes going through a woman's puberty as an absolute nightmare, like being the centerpoint of an especially gory, psychologically-scarring horror movie. I have to take his word for it, as it's outside my experience, but he's much happier and calmer on T after hysterectomy. Nice beard coming in too.
So just because you don't or won't understand something doesn't mean it's not real. It just means you're an asshole, and deliberately so since anyone with a triple-digit IQ could understand the above explanation.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday March 28 2017, @05:30PM (16 children)
I know you really, really want to define it that way so it fits your narrative but I reject your attempts to do so. Gender is a synonym for sex and has been since the word was created. Take your SJW word redefining bullshit and peddle it to someone who'll buy it.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday March 28 2017, @06:25PM (11 children)
This isn't a new concept to me, jackoff. Do you think the idea of two-spirit or Hijra was invented in the 21st century or something? Stuff like this is older than Jesus. God, you're too dumb to even know you're dumb. Stage 4 Dunningkrugeritis is a hell of a disease...
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday March 29 2017, @09:26AM (10 children)
And yet, you still do not get to redefine words to suit yourself.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday March 30 2017, @01:26AM (9 children)
Those aren't my words or my concepts. Would it kill you for once in your miserable, selfish, wasted little life to do a little research of your own? You're fucking wrong; admit it, learn from your mistakes, and stop being wrong.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday March 30 2017, @02:36AM (8 children)
You do not get to redefine words to suit yourself.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday March 30 2017, @03:50PM (7 children)
Are you aphasic or just deliberately refusing to read for comprehension?
These. Are. Not. My. Words.
The idea of gender-variant individuals goes back to fucking Sumeria, Uzzard. The ancient, *really* ancient, Near East. And these are just the written examples we have; it's almost a certainty that actual gender-nonconformers have existed throughout all of humanity's biological history. Here's just one of *many* examples: http://www.ancient.eu/article/941/ [ancient.eu]
Read my first post closer: gender identity supervenes on a number of properties both closer to the "bare metal" (like the hormonal environment you experienced in utero) and further away, such as society's expectations for what "person with wide hips and breasts" or "person with a penis" should act like. It's not purely internal and it's not traceable to one single physical characteristic.
Greedy reductionism is an unreliable heuristic for nondeterministic systems. You should know this. Either update your firmware or stop talking about things you aren't competent to.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 1, Redundant) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday March 30 2017, @04:08PM (6 children)
You made the assertion. I refuted it with a dictionary. Live with it.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday March 30 2017, @04:49PM (5 children)
Because we never ever update our knowledge, right? That's why your dictionary was written in oracle bone script on a turtle shell with a lump of charcoal, of course. ...dumbass.
These are not "my" assertions. 5,000 years of history (and around 150 of actual medical and psychological research) are looming over you from a great height, telling you you are wrong. And here you are, sitting there with your fingers in your ears running in circles chanting "lalalala i can't hear you fake news narrative hurr hurr."
Give it up already. You were wrong to begin with; you're also showing yourself to be perverse and willfully ignorant, elevating your own fear responses to the status of God.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday March 30 2017, @05:54PM (4 children)
We never, ever let SJWs redefine words to suit themselves. No. Use it that way all you like but I'll call you on it every time you try that bullshit on me.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday March 30 2017, @06:02PM (3 children)
You, er, haven't been reading a single fucking thing I've written, have you? Make like an Abit mobo and quit posting; you're done here.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 1, Troll) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday March 30 2017, @06:14PM (2 children)
Just like a SJW. Get spanked and declare victory. Sad, really.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday March 30 2017, @06:23PM
You're delusional, and everyone reading this thread can see it. Literally your entire post history for this subthread is "nuh uh" and "fuck you SJW" and "Hurr hurr this here dictionary sez..."
Whereas I've pointed you to primary sources (yes, the blog post cites an academic paper) that show you are not only wrong, but have been wrong since before Judaism existed.
And your response to this? Ironically, and darkly hilariously, it is *precisely what you just accused me of in your last post.*
I'm actually interested, in the way one is interested in venomous animals or lethal diseases, in what could possibly make you so wrongheaded. Oh, I know you can't be saved, and that's fine, but out of curiosity I'd like to figure out what makes you tick.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by melikamp on Thursday March 30 2017, @09:07PM
Hahahahahaha, OMG, what fun this thread is.
Hey, Mr. Dictionary, what the hell is "SJW", anyway? You are obviously using it as a pejorative. Which part of it do you actually find deplorable? Is being "social" deplorable? Is "justice? Is "warrior"? Are you saying people are awful because they fight for justice? Because they fight for issues which affect the entire society? Or because they dare to think about justice in the context of the entire society? What about a Donny-boy supporter who is actively fighting on the side of ICE against illegal immigrants? What about unlicensed mercs with attack dogs who drew blood in Dakota? Are they fighting for what they see as "social justice" (the pipeline was declared legal, while immigrant workers in question are not), or are they bigoted terrorists fighting for their own personal well-being at the expense of minorities? Since you don't call them SJWs, you must mean the latter, right?
(Score: 2) by aristarchus on Wednesday March 29 2017, @04:23AM (3 children)
your SJW word redefining bullshit
Funny, do you mean something like redefining Social Justice as a bad thing? That kind of redefining bullshit? (Though, to be fair, I fail to see the relevance of male Tauroid excrement to the issue at hand. Redefinition run amook? )
(Score: 3, Informative) by Justin Case on Wednesday March 29 2017, @12:49PM (2 children)
redefining Social Justice as a bad thing
Not sure which side you're taking here but "social justice" is a bad thing; no redefinition needed.
Oh sure it is a lovely fantasy, but as implemented in the real world it requires Actual Injustice. Government can't give to one except by taking from another. "Social justice" activists (deliberately avoiding the SJW label here) ignore the taking half of the equation so they can praise themselves for their good aspirations and shrug off responsibility for the harm.
(Score: 2) by melikamp on Thursday March 30 2017, @09:27PM (1 child)
Oh that's bad now? You don't like that? You like it when individuals are free to abuse and dominate society (see any despot, starting with Adolf and Iosif), while the society is free to abuse and dominate individuals (see any despotic regime, starting with those of Adolf and Iosif). That's a valid point of view, and a fairly popular one too, but I hope you realize it puts your political philosophy right next to that of National Socialists.
(Score: 2) by Justin Case on Thursday March 30 2017, @11:07PM
There is no "society"; that is a groupthink imaginary term.
There are only individuals.
The lofty goals of "social justice" are (never really) achieved by taking from one individual to give to another. Taking what belongs to one, by force, is unjust. The "social justice" people conveniently sweep their violent unjust foundation under the rug hoping nobody will notice.
abuse and dominate individuals
Yep, that's what "social justice" advocates do to their victims. Don't know where you got that I was in favor of that domination however.