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Hundreds of thousands of anti-Trump demonstrators took to the streets of London and in separate protests across the U.K. on Friday [July 13] in a massive and historic show of opposition to a sitting U.S. president.
After Donald Trump was greeted with angry protesters as he arrived in London on Thursday to meet with U.K. Prime Minister Theresa May, a 20-foot-tall Trump baby blimp took flight over the city early on Friday as the massive "Carnival of Resistance" protests--which are slated[1] to last through the weekend--kicked off.
250,000 people are protesting #TogetherAgainstTrump in central London right now! #resist #carnivalofresistance
[...] Several of the events have been organized by the Stop Trump Coalition, which played a key role in Trump's previous canceled trips and [who] warns that "Trumpism directly threatens steps towards tackling" several issues including inequality, peace and disarmament, climate change, fighting discrimination--"particularly against already marginalized groups like migrants and Muslims"--and corporate greed. The Trump administration's family separation policy has further fueled widespread outrage and opposition to his visit.
[1] I'm not crazy about their page construction, but WOW! are they ever organized otherwise.
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(Score: 2, Troll) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday July 14 2018, @03:49AM (34 children)
FTFY
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 14 2018, @04:18AM
Slick Willie's mantra: Never pass up a chance to make a Reactionary smile.
Bill Clinton's 5 Major Achievements Were Longstanding Republican Objectives [googleusercontent.com] (orig) [truthout.org]
-- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
(Score: 5, Insightful) by archfeld on Saturday July 14 2018, @05:53AM (32 children)
Actually it goes back even further...
I am not sure what people expect, if you are placed in a prison/detained for illegally crossing the border, would you want your children in prison with you. It is and has been common practice to seize the children of detainees, and domestic criminals for decades and place them in the care of CPS. Can you imagine to hoopla if we put the kids in prison too ??
How would the classify them ? Like they do the adults ? White Aryans in one yard, Bloods in another, Crips in a 3rd, and the Mexican Mafia off in a corner by themselves. Maybe they could separate them by age groups ? 1 - 5 years old in a yard, next to them could be 6-10 years old, then the Dirty tweens could be placed off by themselves.
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(Score: 4, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 14 2018, @07:17AM (31 children)
First, there is no reason to put -any- of these people in prison.
Crossing the border without proper documentation is a misdemeanor.
Just imagine if every person who ever shoplifted a pack of gum was jailed without bail until his trial date.
Next, US law says that anyone can apply for asylum at any port of entry.
Historically, 100 percent of people who do that are allowed into the general population and 97 percent of those show up for their court hearing.
Drumpf has needlessly[1] taken the 100 yards of no man's land between the border and the gov't building where people can apply and made it into a war zone.
It is completely out of all proportion and is clearly in violation of the intent of the law passed by Congress.
[1] ...if you don't count Drumpf's pandering to his racist constituency.
Lastly, these shitheads aren't even keeping proper records of what kid goes with what parent and where those 2 separated entities are located.
...not to mention not vetting the people to whom the kids are released (human traffickers).
-- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 14 2018, @07:33AM (3 children)
Take your bullshit opinions and shove them up your ass, you limp-wristed SJW cock-gobbler.
(Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 14 2018, @08:14AM (2 children)
You spineless jerkoffs call my comment spam ?
You don't know what spam is, obviously.
My comment was a rebuke to the idiotic crap spewed by some SJW fool.
But you call it "spam" because you don't agree with it.
What's next, are you going to call me a racist, in the manner of so many other SJWs who couldn't argue their way out of a wet paper bag ?
You can all go fuck yourselves.
THE REAL WORLD WILL CRUSH YOU LIKE THE MAGGOTS YOU ARE.
(Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 14 2018, @12:18PM (1 child)
Cry harder, your tears are delicious.
Enjoy the last two years of the last white male president ever. It’s already half over.
(Score: 2, Troll) by realDonaldTrump on Sunday July 15 2018, @11:13PM
Look, I have a lot of life left in me. I have INCREDIBLE genes. And I don't exercise, that's so important. A lot of people go to the gym and they'll work out for two hours and all. Then they get their new knees when they're 55 years old and they get their new hips and they do all those things. I don't have those problems. #RepealThe22nd [twitter.com]
(Score: 5, Insightful) by unauthorized on Saturday July 14 2018, @08:04AM (16 children)
Misdemeanor in US law is any crime that is punishable by one year or less. So yes, you can get jailed for misdemeanors by the literal definition of misdemeanor.
Shoplifting gum carries a maximum ecnomic loss for the owner of $1. Maybe a couple of bucks if it's a really fancy hipster brand gum. Illegal entry in the best case scenario will cost thousands to the US state. These are very different offenses, so of fucking course they will not be handled in the same way.
The law allows for that. Illegal entry only applies if you evade border authorities. If you do enter the border at an official border checkpoint without proper authorization and petition for asylum, you can still receive asylum without having illegally entered the US.
No it's not a war zone. Unarmed civilians don't run into war zones, they flee them.
The irony is that you are the one being bigoted towards Trump voters with this.
That sounds highly dubious, do you have evidence for it?
(Score: 5, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 14 2018, @08:44AM (13 children)
AFTER CONVICTION.
Jesus Fucking Christ, you "law and order" types always want to skip the due-process thing.
That's a BIG part of what folks are bitching about with Drumpf's pack of losers: The judges are being cut out of the loop.
do you have evidence
I've been reading this stuff [google.com] everywhere I go. [google.com]
If you haven't, you must have really shitty sources of "information". [google.com]
you are the one being bigoted towards Trump voters
I calls 'em as I sees 'em.
...and a judgment based on someone's -actions- isn't bigotry.
-- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
(Score: 3, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday July 14 2018, @12:48PM (8 children)
I'll take a law and order type over a government that can ignore the law and do as it likes every single time, thanks.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Immerman on Saturday July 14 2018, @01:25PM (7 children)
You obviously missed the quotes around "law and order". If the government can skip the trial and go straight to punishment, then it already *can* ignore the law and do whatever it likes.
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 14 2018, @01:32PM (5 children)
And tmb comes back and apologizes for his mistake. Hahahaha jk we all know he wont.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday July 14 2018, @04:22PM (4 children)
You're absolutely correct. That would imply that harm was done by my being so and I had need to regret. That not being the case, no apology is warranted.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 14 2018, @07:27PM (3 children)
Hah, well you did anyway though i adsume you took the word "apologize" too literally. Acknowledging a mistake is an apology of sorts.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday July 15 2018, @12:11AM (2 children)
Nah, there's a pretty substantial difference. Apologizing implies regret and I do not regret being wrong here. I'm human, humans are occasionally going to be wrong. If nobody was harmed, no apology is needed and an acknowledgement will do just fine.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 15 2018, @07:09AM (1 child)
So you're a sociopath, makes sense.
Any reasonable human would be ashamed of having an incorrect assessment of reality. Anyone who does not have shame for being wrong is a sociopath, easy peasy. Not that I'm shocked, many of us have known this about you for years.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Immerman on Sunday July 15 2018, @04:34PM
>Any reasonable human would be ashamed of having an incorrect assessment of reality.
If that's your standard, then I assume you live a life of constant shame - because the only thing any reasonable person should ever be absolutely certain of, is that their assessment of reality is flawed in many ways, large and small, that they've never even thought to consider.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday July 14 2018, @04:18PM
Fair nuff. Those quotes could have been taken a couple of different ways and I picked the wrong one.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by unauthorized on Saturday July 14 2018, @03:57PM (3 children)
Before conviction as well. If a person is pending trial but are likely to attempt to evade persecution, say, like people who have a history of trying to evade the authorities by illegally crossing the border, then it is entirely reasonable to detain them until the case is resolved.
I'm not going to click Google links, but from inputting those keywords in DuckDuckGo, it seems that you are referring to instances where children were found with people who could not prove that they are the parents, in which case this is exactly what the border authorities should do.
Do I need to explain why giving children to people who might turn out to be child traffickers is a bad idea?
It seems that you are projecting your own inability to look outside your media bubble. You don't follow any conservative news outlets do you?
Funny, that's exactly what all bigots say. Something something disproportionate crime rates therefore blacks in general.
(Score: 0, Disagree) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 15 2018, @03:12AM (2 children)
Wow. There's just so much in those 6 words.
First, there's "persecution".
The irony is palpable.
A spoonerism, I assume.
(Not the correct term, but it's related to that.)
...and, of course, there is the fact that the overwhelming majority DO show up for their hearings.
These people WANT to be USAians.
...though it is weird that they seek refuge in the land that is the root source of their oppression|misery.
I'm not going to click Google links
Whatever, dude.
People who are that paranoid are already behind 7 proxies.
If you're too poor to afford one of those, archive.is is a zero-cost proxy.
If using a proxy, you'll do well to add &gl=US to the URL to improve the odds of getting the same results I did.
...and in 1999, the CEO of Sun Microsystems said "You have zero privacy anyway. Get over it."
DuckDuckGo
Yeah, I hear that some folks prefer 4th-rate services.
When somebody duplicates Google's Verbatim search (and about a dozen other things where the "competitors" fall down), do holler Bingo!
Do I need to explain
Not to me but I did think it needed to be pointed out to you.
That's what I did, but, apparently, you're too dim-witted to see that.
You don't follow any conservative news outlets
I hear that ridiculous stuff on e.g. The Jimmy Dore Show--with analysis|rebuttal|debunking.
You Reactionaries are occasionally good for a laugh.
disproportionate crime rates
Yeah, the usual Reactionary swill.
It's called selective enforcement (the modern-day version of Jim Crow).
If every white college kid in possession of a doobie was arrested, prosecuted[1] with the same vigor, and subjected to the same sentencing whims, the prison demographics would shift radically.
[1] BTW, that's a form of the word you were looking for, nitwit.
-- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
(Score: 2) by archfeld on Monday July 16 2018, @02:49AM (1 child)
"...duplicates Googles search verbatim..."
Except for the 4-5 paid ads that top the search result on the google page. When I use DuckDuckGo, the web site I am looking for is almost always the top result rather than a paid for index return. Google used to be don't do evil, now it is make a buck, and virtually indistinguishable from Bing. I miss DEC and AltaVista...
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(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 16 2018, @08:15PM
I have 4 items blocked at Google Search and I have JavaScript blocked.
The only things I might see there are text-based ads.
...and I can mentally block those easily.
...and, based on the searches I do, those are pretty rare anyway.
One reason I like Google's Verbatim Search is that S/N's comments engine is broken WRT stuff like %22 in hyperlinks.
Putting dots or hyphens between search terms indicates a phrase in Verbatim Search (like the old Google, before they "improved" it).
I can then re-post those links here without brokenness.
I haven't seen another search engine that will do that.
When I use DuckDuckGo, the web site I am looking for is almost always the top result rather than a paid for index return
I find that including[1] #res in my Google search string tends to work wonders when there's a chance that ads will be included.
...and, again, my "extreme mental powers" allow me to just ignore junk.
[1] Obviously, I can do my Google searches from my Address Bar.
...and I can specify more than 10 items per page at Google.
There's lots of stuff that Google can do that the others can't|won't.
I was going to say that there's a reason that Google is still #1 but actually there are whole a bunch of reasons.
I miss [...] AltaVista
Yes, we've established that you have a great tolerance for mediocrity.
-- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
(Score: -1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 14 2018, @12:21PM (1 child)
It’s not bigotry when his supporters are literally flag waving nazis.
In case incel-cucks need it explained: being a nazi is pretty racist.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 15 2018, @07:43AM
Heh, inconvenient truths indeed. These fuckers re so far gone they can't see the forest for the trees. I guess it is time to boycott this RWNJ shithole. Apologies to all you normal users, but the vocal minority is turning this site into a neo-nazi safe space.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 14 2018, @08:08AM (1 child)
"First, there is no reason to put -any- of these people in prison."
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People cannot simply enter another country where they are not citizens and stay in that country because they want to stay.
Asylum is not given for reasons such as "I can make more money in the US" or "I want to live in the US". Asylum is given for reasons having to do with the person who is seeking asylum being in grave danger if they are forced to return to their own country. The vast majority of Mexicans who come to the US do not come to the US because they are in danger : they come for economic reasons. I hate to be the one to burst your clueless knee-jerk liberal bubble, but economic advantage is not a reason why people are granted asylum.
Seriously, you have the sort of understanding of the situation that one would expect a very young child to have. You clearly don't know the law, and your guiding principle seems to be "I think it's wrong so it must stop". Guess what, you idiot child : your extremely naive understanding of the situation doesn't qualify you to make judgements about what should or should not be done. People who are not US citizens cannot simply come to the US and stay, and if they SNEAK into the US,
they can and will be returned to their own country.
You are just a stupid clueless fool spewing your pointless poorly informed bullshit opinion on the internet. You really ought to educate yourself before you spew bullshit, or at least make it clear that you are not an attorney ( that is painfully obvious ) nor are you involved in law enforcement. You're just another punkass douche bag who wants the world to be shaped like you think it should be despite the fact that you have done NOTHING to EARN the right to impose your opinion on the world.
Mexicans are going to continue to be locked up, when they enter the US illegally, and all your whining will not change that one little bit.
Suck on that, you pathetic little bitch.
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 14 2018, @08:48AM
That's for A JUDGE to decide.
I've already made a remark about you "law and order" nitwits upthread.
-- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
(Score: 3, Disagree) by shortscreen on Saturday July 14 2018, @09:45AM (3 children)
US citizens can't board a plane without getting groped by TSA goons, and stand a fair chance of being searched, having their stuff confiscated, or otherwise being hassled when attempting to drive across the border.
I find it rather strange that, while these policies are allowed to stand, we now have people in the national spotlight (not just ACs on obscure websites) arguing that non-citizens should be able to waltz across the border as they please.
I am generally opposed to security theater and the like, but checking who crosses the border and confronting those who try to evade the check points doesn't strike me as totally unreasonable. (Of course, treating people in a humane fashion when they have been detained is another issue)
(Score: 3, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 14 2018, @11:16AM
...and why.
NAFTA ruined the Mexican economy for small/subsistence farmers who can't compete with heavily subsidized USAian corn.
...and Mexicans aren't even the main traffic north these days.
Mexican migration is a net negative.
Most folks coming north start south of Mexico.
They're fleeing violent, unstable places.
The reason those places are violent and unstable is USA.gov fucking around with the democratically-elected governments there, turning them into Fascist dictatorships with USA-trained death squads.
-- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 14 2018, @11:30AM (1 child)
> US citizens can't board a plane without getting groped by TSA goons, and stand a fair chance of being searched, having their stuff confiscated, or otherwise being hassled when attempting to drive across the border.
> I find it rather strange that, while these policies are allowed to stand, we now have people in the national spotlight (not just ACs on obscure websites) arguing that non-citizens should be able to waltz across the border as they please.
You would have a point... if people weren't protesting and complaining about the security theater, for the past 18 years and counting. The policies are allowed to stand because those in power allow them to stand.
> confronting those who try to evade the check points
IIRC, those who go straight to the check points are "confronted" as well.
(Score: 4, Interesting) by Runaway1956 on Saturday July 14 2018, @02:23PM
WTF is protesting? The sheep go to the airport, and they do whatever the wolves tell them to do.
I'm protesting, by not flying. A bunch of other people do likewise, but we aren't noticed because the sheep love to be groped, fondled, folded, spindled and mutilated. So long as the sheep submit, no protest is worthy of notice.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 14 2018, @01:10PM
You're not seriously suggesting people trying to get into the country by any means possible and no documents are going to show up for their court date like a regular shoplifter?
(Score: 2, Informative) by Runaway1956 on Saturday July 14 2018, @02:21PM
Crossing borders without permission is a capital offense in many countries. Evading the border patrol isn't a misdemeanor - evasion of law enforcement is always a felony. And, some of us are about tired of socialistic anarchist whining in defense of law breakers.
(Score: 2) by realDonaldTrump on Saturday July 14 2018, @06:21PM (1 child)
You come on here with a fake name. You call my supporters racist. And you use my family's old name like an insult. Like I should be ashamed that my family changed our name. Or ashamed that my family came from Germany. I'm not ashamed. And neither were they, believe me. They were afraid -- that's why they changed the family name. They were afraid of the racists who were rounding folks up and putting them in concentration camps. On orders from the White House, from President Franklin Roosevelt -- one of your guys. Great friend to Stalin. And they told me, until I was in my 30s, that we were Swedish. I told the newspapers that I'm Swedish. I'm not Swedish, I didn't know. Because my father was afraid to tell me. So I've seen that racism causes big problems. And I'm the least racist person there is. I'm not a racist. As everybody knows. I have a great relationship with the blacks. With the Jews -- I had the first club in Palm Beach that accepted both blacks & Jews. I get along beautifully with all the races -- except the so-called Indians, a lot of them don't look like Indians to me. I think I set a tremendous example. And maybe not all my supporters follow it 100%. Any possibly you don't follow Chuck & Nancy 100%. If I asked them I'm sure they'd say, "oh, Germany is great, German-Americans are great, let's not discriminate!" But you discriminate, you sound very anti-German.
I'm a big critic of Germany. And of the Germans -- especially Chancellor Angela. Not because of their race. Because of the VERY DUMB things they do. They shut down their coal, they shut down their nuclear. They're buying tremendous amounts of gas -- of natural gas -- from Russia. And they come to me, they say, "please protect us from Russia!" While they're sending billions of Euros to Russia for the gas. And spending very little on their military, on military equipment. In the USA we have the most amazing equipment, the best equipment. We have Boeing, we have Lockheed Martin, we have Northrop Grumman. Beautiful companies, so many smart people working there. Working very hard. And we'd love to sell Germany some of that equipment so they can PROTECT THEMSELVES. Instead of buying it so we can protect them. Big expense to our taxpayers when we do it that way. Very unfair!!!
(Score: 3, Funny) by chromas on Saturday July 14 2018, @08:25PM
Good point; 'you' identify as a Trump, so you're a Trump! Why can't they respect your preferred pro(per )nouns? Frackin' bigots, all of 'em!