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Twitter permanently suspends Trump's account:
US President Donald Trump has been permanently suspended from Twitter "due to the risk of further incitement of violence", the company says.
Twitter said the decision was made "after close review of recent Tweets from the @realDonaldTrump account and the context around them".
Mr Trump had earlier been locked out of his account for 12 hours.
Twitter then said that it would ban Mr Trump "permanently" if he breached the platform's rules again.
Reacting to the permanent ban, Trump 2020 campaign adviser Jason Miller tweeted: "Disgusting... if you don't think they're coming for you next, you're wrong."
It comes after Mr Trump tweeted several messages on Wednesday, calling the people who stormed the US Capitol "patriots".
Hundreds of his supporters entered the Capitol building as the US Congress attempted to certify Joe Biden's victory in the presidential election. The ensuing violence led to the deaths of four civilians and a police officer.
The siege took place just hours after Trump addressed supporters and told them: "We will never give up; we will never concede."
[...] On Thursday, Facebook said it had suspended Mr Trump "indefinitely". The popular gaming platform Twitch also placed an indefinite ban on the outgoing president's channel, which he has used for rally broadcasts. So has Snapchat.
Two online Trump memorabilia stores were closed this week by e-commerce company Shopify. On Friday, Reddit banned its "donaldtrump" forum for the president's supporters.
[...] The big question now is, can Trumpism survive without the backing of mainstream media? Or will it simply slip into the shadows of the internet?
(Emphasis retained from original.)
Also at Ars Technica, CNET
Full Twitter explanation at: blog.twitter.com
(Score: 5, Interesting) by barbara hudson on Saturday January 09 2021, @02:50PM (29 children)
At least the white supremists are going to have their day in court, followed by their days in jail.
Remember how a week ago Trump's daughter was talking about running for the senate in Florida? It looked like a serious threat. Now it just looks ludicrous.
Ted Cruz just nuked himself. And Donald Trump, even though he's still president, if being openly dumped on by world leaders saying he should resign.
The pendulum had, like all pendulums, reaches its maximum arc in one direction, and now the MAGAt-heads are going to pay for their hate. And the Republican Party has two choices - run away from Trumpism and maybe surviving, or dying.
A week really is a lifetime in politics.
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(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @03:09PM (5 children)
You think they'll go away now? Remember how the republican vote side is almost as large as the democratic side. They are not going away. There will be no healing the nation or anything cause both sides by now already hate each other. One side just wants the other to join it and/or fade away but that just ain't going to happen. So you might hate the republicans or the trumpists or whatnot. But side wise they are more or less equal and this whole thing doesn't really change anything. If the pendulum is now swinging back, eventually it will reach the maximum arc on the other side to and swing right back again.
In the middle of December, before the "siege" or "coup" or whatever people claim or believe it was, PEW Research had an interesting publication about the differences in the voters. As far as I can tell nothing has really changed. None of the recent events changed anything about it. The only thing that remains true is that the other side doesn't understand the other side and doesn't want to, something that goes both ways so there will be no healing, there will be no reason and quite frankly nothing will improve and be better. The extremist wing on each side is more or less equal in size and fervor.
https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2020/12/17/voters-say-those-on-the-other-side-dont-get-them-heres-what-they-want-them-to-know/ [pewresearch.org]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @03:35PM (2 children)
Ah, both sides.
Have you heard of Fox News?
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @07:02PM (1 child)
what is your point? fox is controlled by the same international jews that control the ap and everything else.
(Score: 2, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @11:14PM
I didn't realize that the Murdochs were Jews.
I guess you learn something new every day.
Ignorance is not attractive, friend.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 11 2021, @06:07AM (1 child)
Last time I checked, primaries occurred within the party. That is the real test.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday January 12 2021, @02:50PM
No, the real test is weighting them down and throwing them in a pond. Primaries are completely worthless at telling who's a witch.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @03:14PM (22 children)
Trump did not incite any riot. You liberals have been thrashing and bashing and trashing and the conservatives are sick of your droning.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @03:36PM
I blame the rock and roll thrash metal and legalized reefer.
(Score: 5, Informative) by Thexalon on Saturday January 09 2021, @03:53PM (10 children)
He only gave a speech in which he told a crowd to never give in, be strong and fight, go down to the Capitol, and stop Congress from confirming the election results, right before that very crowd went down to the Capitol and fought to stop Congress from confirming the election results. Oh, and he not-very-subtly threatened the Vice-President with violence if he didn't help overturn the election results, shortly before members of the crowd he was speaking to attacked the Capitol with the stated intent of finding and murdering the Vice-President.
That's incitement.
The only thing that stops a bad guy with a compiler is a good guy with a compiler.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @04:01PM (4 children)
Round here we call that 2nd Amendment rights. I.e. the right of all white people to overthrow the government because they created Western civilization.
(Score: 2, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @07:29PM
Maybe you should use your second amendment rights to form a militia to help defend the government against terrorist groups who just used violence to attempt to overthrow the democratically elected government because they didn't like the election results?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @09:21PM (2 children)
But, Jordan Peterson and Gavin McGinnis are both Canadians. Is this something about the Commonwealth, and the Queen, and the fact that Meghan Markle [pagesix.com] is black?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 10 2021, @01:15AM (1 child)
Don't forget Murdoch the Australia! Some groups that claim to hate foreign influence sure are heavily influenced by foreign actors!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 10 2021, @01:43AM
Are you suggesting the entire Trump presidency has been a plot by the British Empire to re-take the American Colonies? And Canada, Australia, South Africa, Fiji and Tonga, Burma, and Hong Kong are in on it? Makes sense, the last time the Capitol Building was sacked was by British Military Forces in the War of 1812! Trump supporters are back to finish the job? They are making Benedict Arnold look like an amateur! Ha!
(Score: 3, Insightful) by slinches on Saturday January 09 2021, @07:40PM (3 children)
You conveniently forgot the part where he also called for the protest to be peaceful. Far more inflammatory rhetoric has been used by major political figures to spur on support for as long as there have been protests and political rallies. Should we go back and look at what people were saying prior to the BLM riots last year and charge anyone who used strong language for incitement?
(Score: 3, Interesting) by helel on Saturday January 09 2021, @08:56PM
By "BLM riots" you mean the people burning police stations [twincities.com], killing people [news.com.au], and plotting to kidnap public officials [cnn.com]? Yes, I think if we had done something about the Trump using strong language leading up to those attacks we'd like not see the violence in the capitol now.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 10 2021, @12:40AM
There is a difference between enticing violence and believing, arguing, and expressing your opinion that the election was stolen. Expressing your opinion that the elections were stolen doesn't entice violence any more than the videos of police brutality do. Otherwise you can reasonably argue that it was the videos of police brutality that enticed violence and it was those that released the videos that should be held accountable because their videos resulted in violence. The next time there is police brutality let's make sure that any videos of it don't get out and that no one is made aware of it.
It's dishonest for CNN to conflate enticing violence with arguing that the elections were stolen. Arguing that the elections were stolen should be protected speech. Enticing violence is not. If CNN is so blatantly dishonest about something so obvious then it makes people wonder what else they are lying about. It's no wonder no one trusts the media. I don't blame them. When the media is dishonest people lose trust in the media and this may give rise to conspiracy theories.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 10 2021, @02:03PM
You are blinding yourself to the truth. Much like his condemnations of white supremacy Trump's calls for peace are muted and his lack of action to control the riot says everything you need to know. Not to mention his violent language throughout the rest of his speech.
You don't to scream that someone should be murdered, beaten, humiliated and imprisoned in one breath, then throw on "be nice about it" in the next. How does anyone still fall for Trump's lies?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 10 2021, @12:45AM
Not sure where you're getting your info, maybe I missed it.
Let's not forget that 'Biden has stated his desire to ‘beat the hell’ out of Trump'
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/mar/22/trump-joe-biden-2020-presidential-run-go-down-crying [theguardian.com]
But that's OK. CNN won't repeat that over and over and over. They are selective about what they repeat over and over and over.
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @04:01PM
Are you trying to say the feds have a copy of your selfie in the capital building?
(Score: 3, Insightful) by srobert on Saturday January 09 2021, @06:09PM (7 children)
Actually I think he did. But even if that were not the case, he certainly neglected his responsibility to stop it. And that alone would justify neutralizing him ASAP.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @10:28PM (6 children)
What do you propose that he could have done to stop it? Once the doors were
kicked inexcuse me opened by the guards, it was too late for him or anyone else to stop, and then he was silenced so he couldn't respond. Yes, those who illegally entered the Capitol building should be prosecuted, and the ringleaders, Zip Tie guy, pipe bomb/molotov person should all be facing hard time, but Trump (and damn you for making me defend him) was repeatedly calling for a peaceful protest, which he and his followers had every right to do. Even of the group entering, only a few were set on violence. The rest appear to have been invited in by Capitol security. The whole thing smells like a set-up, and if so then it went perfectly.(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @11:19PM (2 children)
He could have *immediately* called out the National Guard to support the Capitol Police [newsweek.com].
He could have gone on TV and Twitter to *strongly* denounce the riots and violence. Instead, we got weak sauce and "We love you" as the message to the insurrectionists.
He could have done any number of things. But he did not.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 10 2021, @01:00AM (1 child)
He did denounce it. The problem is that the TV networks like CNN didn't mention that and so you just assume it didn't happen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0V47UfRDpdk [youtube.com]
"He could have gone on TV"
Trump can't force the TV networks to carry his message.
Yes, CNN could argue he could have done more to call in the national guard sooner. I won't necessarily disagree with that. He could have done more to stop the destruction and property damage and violence done during the BLM protests as well. There is an argument to be made there. It's dishonest for CNN to conflate claiming that the elections were stolen with inciting violence.
"and Twitter"
As others have mentioned, one of the biggest mistakes Trump made was relying on a third party private media platform to carry out his message. That's ridiculous. Politicians shouldn't be beholden to any private media (including Fox or CNN), the government should have its own media outlets that politicians can freely use. Sure Fox and CNN can still exist but perhaps they should exist alongside a government media. In fact I would almost go as far as to say that broadcasting monopolies shouldn't be 'owned' by private entities and cable companies that carry private media should also be required to carry government sponsored/funded media (the government can fund it). Kinda like how other countries have BBC as well. You are free to have private media (the government can't control all the media) but the government should also have its own freely available, publicly funded, media that everyone has access to.
There is CSPAN (which is relatively neutral) but that's on cable. The problem with CSPAN is that it's not sensationalized and people want entertainment (the problem is with what people want).
The media wants to polarize us and they need someone to villainize because that's what gets ratings. Unfortunately when you villanize people you disenfranchise them and they may react negatively. Of course this is great for the media because it gets even more viewership and ratings.
The real villeins here are the media.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 10 2021, @02:05AM
It was really weak sauce. CSPAN showed Trump's video that he posted to Twitter (at around 4PM on Wednesday) and Trump was very vague and said "go in peace" and "respect law and order" while most of the video was him complaining about the election being stolen "from me, from you, from the country" and blaming fraud and the "other side" for massive fraud. And he ended this rambling with "we love you." But don't take it from me. Hear it from the jackass' mouth:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AeI6Mv0ALg [youtube.com]
I'd add that this was posted *hours* after the rioting started and it was clear that the coup wasn't going to succeed. IIRC, CSPAN and other outlets had already reported that the members of Congress and the electoral vote certificates had been safely removed before the insurrectionists could get to them.
So no. He didn't do the right thing. Even Mike Pence did much better when he tweeted:
and then followed it up with:
Note that the above isn't spin from the media, nor is it some sort of Democratic plot. It's what each person said. See for yourself.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 10 2021, @01:19AM (2 children)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 10 2021, @12:26PM (1 child)
But the private media is not required to carry his message.
Something is wrong when public servants must have their message filtered through private media to get to the people. This model needs to change. People should have free (as in not have to subscribe to cable or other service that costs money) access to what the government and politicians have to say. The government can pay for it, I have no problems with this.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 10 2021, @10:41PM
They know this, it is just to further their mUh ViCtImHoOd narrative.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @10:48PM
The result of doing too much LDS.