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Jeff Bezos Is Planning to Ship 'Several Metric Tons of Cargo' to the Moon

Blue Origin, described by Bezos as "the most important work I'm doing," signed a letter of intent with German aerospace companies OHB Space Systems and Security and MT Aerospace at the 69th annual International Astronautical Congress (IAC) in Germany on Tuesday. The OHB SE dubbed the lunar project the "Blue Moon" mission in a press release.

It's not clear exactly what cargo the Blue Moon mission would transport, but it likely includes infrastructure designed to start private business on the Moon: The IAC also detailed the launch of the "Moon Race," a competition between Blue Origin, Airbus Air and Space, and other space agencies around the world to develop technology that will bring companies around the world to the Moon.

According to a press release, the competition could involve manufacturing products and technology, manufacturing energy sources for humans to survive, getting access to water and sustaining biological life, such as plant or agricultural life—all on the Moon.

Also at Space.com.

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NASA Administrator Ponders the Fate of SLS in Interview (Blue Origin targets Moon landing by 2023)
SpaceX Reveals Plan to Fly Yusaku Maezawa and Artists "Around the Moon" in a BFR
Blue Origin Wins Contract to Supply United Launch Alliance With BE-4 Rocket Engines


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Blue Origin to Compete to Launch U.S. Military Payloads 1 comment

Blue Origin's orbital rocket in the running to receive U.S. military investment

Blue Origin submitted a proposal late last year in what's expected to be a four-way competition for U.S. Air Force funding to support development of new orbital-class rockets, a further step taken by the Jeff Bezos-owned company to break into the military launch market, industry officials said. The proposal, confirmed by two space industry sources, puts Blue Origin up against SpaceX, Orbital ATK and United Launch Alliance, which could use Blue Origin's BE-4 engine to power its next-generation Vulcan rocket. It also sets up the New Glenn rocket, in development by Blue Origin, to be certified by the Air Force for national security missions.

Blue Origin received funding in an earlier phase of the Air Force's initiative to help companies develop new liquid-fueled U.S.-built booster engines in a bid to end the military's reliance on the Russian RD-180 powerplant, which drives the first stage of ULA's Atlas 5 rocket. The Air Force's money supported development of the BE-4 engine, which was designed with private money, and is still primarily a privately-funded program. The Pentagon funding announced in early 2016 for the BE-4 program was directly awarded to ULA, which routed the money to Blue Origin's engine program.

SpaceX, Orbital ATK and Aerojet Rocketdyne also received Air Force funding in 2016 for propulsion work. SpaceX used the Air Force money for its methane-fueled Raptor engine, which will power the company's next-generation super-heavy BFR launcher. Orbital ATK is developing its own launcher for national security missions, which would use solid-fueled rocket motors for the initial boost into space, then use a hydrogen-fueled upper stage for orbital injection. Aerojet Rocketdyne's AR1 engine is a backup option for ULA's new Vulcan rocket.

Previously: U.S. Air Force Awards SpaceX $40.7 Million for Raptor Engine Development
Aerojet Rocketdyne Seeks More U.S. Air Force Funding for AR1 Rocket Engine

Related: Jeff Bezos' Vision for Space: One Trillion Population in the Solar System
NASA Opens Door to Possibly Lowering SLS Cost Using Blue Origin's Engines
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NASA Administrator Ponders the Fate of SLS in Interview 4 comments

Rocket Report: Japanese rocket blows up, NASA chief ponders purpose of SLS (and other news)

NASA Administrator ponders what to do with the SLS rocket. During a Q&A with Politico, NASA Administrator Jim Bridenstine was asked about how the space agency views commercial launch vehicles. His response: "As we move forward, we're going to have to maybe rethink... at what point do we start taking advantage of those commercial capabilities to the extent that they drive down cost, give us more capability, and what do we do with SLS?... We're not there yet, but certainly there's a horizon here. Is it 10 years? I don't know what the answer is, but what we can't do in my view is give up our government capability, our national capability, when we don't have an alternative."

Speaking of timelines ... NASA doesn't exactly have the "national capability" of the SLS rocket yet in the heavy-lift class, either. We've heard rumors of a slip to 2021 for the first launch date, in which case Blue Origin's New Glenn has a fighting chance to fly first, as SpaceX's Falcon Heavy rocket has already done.

Blue Origin targets Moon landing by 2023. Blue Origin's business development director, A.C. Charania, said at a conference that the company's Blue Moon program is "our first step to developing a lunar landing capability for the country, for other customers internationally, to be able to land multi metric tons on the lunar surface." The company has not said what role its large orbital rocket under development, New Glenn, would play in a mission to the Moon.

BFR is a privately funded next-generation reusable launch vehicle and spacecraft system developed by SpaceX. It was announced by Elon Musk in September 2017.[8][9] The overall space vehicle architecture includes both launch vehicles and spacecraft that are intended to completely replace all of SpaceX's existing space hardware by the early 2020s as well as ground infrastructure for rapid launch and relaunch, and zero-gravity propellant transfer technology to be deployed in low Earth orbit (LEO). The large payload to Earth orbit of up to 150,000 kg (330,000 lb) makes BFR a super heavy-lift launch vehicle. Manufacture of the first upper stage/spacecraft prototype began by March 2018, and the ship is projected to begin testing in early 2019.[5]

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SpaceX Reveals Plan to Fly Yusaku Maezawa and Artists "Around the Moon" in a BFR 49 comments

During a press conference at his company's Hawthorne, CA headquarters, SpaceX CEO Elon Musk announced the first planned private passenger to travel into deep space and around the Moon. Yusaku Maezawa, a billionaire fashion entrepreneur and art collector, paid an undisclosed amount to become one of the first people to fly on a SpaceX Big Falcon Rocket (BFR), with a target date of 2023. If the launch happens, he won't be going alone. Maezawa (aka "MZ") plans to invite at least six to eight artists to accompany him on a journey around the Moon. The passengers chosen may be painters, sculptors, musicians, fashion designers, dancers, film directors, architects, etc. and are intended to represent the Earth and participate in an art exhibition after returning to Earth. Musk himself has also been invited. The project is called #dearMoon.

Yusaku Maezawa approached SpaceX and made a contribution that will pay for a "non-trivial" amount of the BFR's development costs. During the Q&A, Musk estimated that the entire development of BFR would cost around $5 billion, or no less than $2 billion and no more than $10 billion. Other potential sources of funding for BFR development include SpaceX's top priority, Crew Dragon flights to the International Space Station (ISS), as well as satellite launches and Starlink satellite broadband service.

Maezawa (along with a guest) was a previously announced anonymous customer for a Falcon Heavy ride around the Moon. SpaceX currently has no plans to human-rate the Falcon Heavy. The switch from Falcon Heavy to BFR will substantially increase the maximum number of passengers and comfort level attainable on a nearly week-long mission, since the Crew Dragon 2 has a pressurized volume of just 10 m3, about 1% of the volume of the BFS.

Blue Origin Wins Contract to Supply United Launch Alliance With BE-4 Rocket Engines 5 comments

Jeff Bezos's rocket company beats out spaceflight veteran for engine contract

Jeff Bezos's Blue Origin rocket company just scored a major contract. His company's BE-4 engines will power United Launch Alliance's Vulcan Centaur, a new suite of rockets that will aim to better compete with Elon Musk's SpaceX on price. Its first launch is slated for 2020. The contract award with ULA marks a high-profile vote of confidence for Bezos's space startup.

"We are very glad to have our BE-4 engine selected by United Launch Alliance. United Launch Alliance is the premier launch service provider for national security missions, and we're thrilled to be part of their team and that mission," Blue Origin CEO Bob Smith said in a statement announcing the award on Thursday.

[...] Blue Origin's win does not come as a huge surprise. The BE-4 is further along in development than the comparable Aerojet engine, dubbed the AR1, and is expected to be less expensive to make. [ULA CEO Tory] Bruno previously expressed his preference for Blue's BE-4 over Aerojet's AR1.

BE-4.

Also at Ars Technica.

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Aerojet Rocketdyne Seeks More U.S. Air Force Funding for AR1 Rocket Engine
SpaceX BFR vs. ULA Vulcan Showdown in the 2020s
Blue Origin to Compete to Launch U.S. Military Payloads


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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Friday October 05 2018, @02:39AM (34 children)

    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Friday October 05 2018, @02:39AM (#744468) Homepage Journal

    That's how long I've been waiting to read of stuff like this. Someone plans to go to the moon - for profit. I watched the first moon landings, with my classmates, sure that people would be landing en masse soon. Finally, a lifetime later, it begins.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 05 2018, @03:02AM (31 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 05 2018, @03:02AM (#744479)

      There is a reason for that, there is a thing about weapons in space and private companies basiscly means that nukes will be in orbit as soon as development of moon bases starts

      • (Score: 4, Interesting) by c0lo on Friday October 05 2018, @03:19AM (26 children)

        by c0lo (156) on Friday October 05 2018, @03:19AM (#744487) Journal

        Outer Space Treaty [wikipedia.org] key points:

        1. it bars states party to the treaty from placing weapons of mass destruction in Earth orbit, installing them on the Moon or any other celestial body, or otherwise stationing them in outer space.
        2. "outer space, including the Moon and other celestial bodies, is not subject to national appropriation by claim of sovereignty, by means of use or occupation, or by any other means"
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        • (Score: 2) by coolgopher on Friday October 05 2018, @03:28AM (24 children)

          by coolgopher (1157) Subscriber Badge on Friday October 05 2018, @03:28AM (#744489)

          Note that it only applies to *states*, not private companies though. At the time it was drawn up, nobody imagines it would be feasible for mere companies to get into space...

          • (Score: 3, Funny) by takyon on Friday October 05 2018, @03:37AM (2 children)

            by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Friday October 05 2018, @03:37AM (#744492) Journal

            I think we're going to have to wait a little while before we see private companies start blowing each other up over asteroid hauls. Ditto for the space pirates.

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            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 05 2018, @03:23PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 05 2018, @03:23PM (#744646)

              ha. ha ha.
              companies do everything they can to hurt competitors, as long as it's either
              1) legal.
              2) possible to get away with it.

              In space?
              "oops, I'm sorry I dropped this ratchet at exactly the time and place, and with exactly the velocity such that it would hit your space ship. It was an accident."

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 06 2018, @09:59AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 06 2018, @09:59AM (#744989)

              What about Ice Pirates?

          • (Score: 3, Informative) by c0lo on Friday October 05 2018, @04:31AM (19 children)

            by c0lo (156) on Friday October 05 2018, @04:31AM (#744502) Journal

            Same linky says:

            Article VI of the Outer Space Treaty deals with international responsibility, stating that "the activities of non-governmental entities in outer space, including the Moon and other celestial bodies, shall require authorization and continuing supervision by the appropriate State Party to the Treaty" and that States Parties shall bear international responsibility for national space activities whether carried out by governmental or non-governmental entities.

            So... not quite "it only applies to *states*, not private companies though.", unless you allow for "incorporated in no-country" situations.

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            • (Score: 4, Touché) by takyon on Friday October 05 2018, @04:50AM (13 children)

              by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Friday October 05 2018, @04:50AM (#744508) Journal

              Treaties such as these are only as good as the enforcement mechanism.

              If we see a self-sufficient colony develop on Mars, what's stopping them from stockpiling weapons? How does Earth launch an attack on a Mars, capable of crippling weapons systems, when a colony could see any approach weeks or months in advance?

              At what point does a Mars colony gain its own sovereignty, allowing it to legitimately enter into treaties as it wishes and invalidate treaties signed by Earth nations?

              A Moon colony would be much easier to keep control over since the Moon is easy to reach, easy to monitor, and more desolate. But it wouldn't be impossible for similar problems to arise in the far future.

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              • (Score: 2) by bob_super on Friday October 05 2018, @05:12AM (8 children)

                by bob_super (1357) on Friday October 05 2018, @05:12AM (#744520)

                Two things that confuse me in this thread:
                - Private companies with nukes ?
                - Colonies that don't instantly collapse if the Earth they secede from stops actively maintaining them ?

                Give that at least a century before it's anywhere near realistic. Space physics make everything human very slow to achieve.

                • (Score: 2) by takyon on Friday October 05 2018, @05:26AM (7 children)

                  by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Friday October 05 2018, @05:26AM (#744522) Journal

                  A colony could start out as a "company town", but eventually draft its own constitution and become a sovereign nation.

                  Missiles could devastate incoming spacecraft. No nukes needed.

                  We could get Mars self-sufficient for the basics (food, water, air, meds, building material) much sooner than a century if we wanted to. Reusable rockets are a must. After the basics, you could make a list of things needed to produce effective weapons and launchers, such as aluminum, steel, etc.

                  I had a longer response but it got nuked.

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                  • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Friday October 05 2018, @09:19AM (6 children)

                    by c0lo (156) on Friday October 05 2018, @09:19AM (#744559) Journal

                    We could get Mars self-sufficient for the basics (food, water, air, meds, building material) much sooner than a century if we wanted to.

                    You are still ignoring the most restrictive factor for Mars colonization: energy - the controllable kind and plenty.
                    Solve this cheaply and the rest will be easy. If it's expensive, it will be long - you even can't burn dynojuice or coal on Mars as it is now.

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                    • (Score: 1) by khallow on Friday October 05 2018, @10:22AM (5 children)

                      by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Friday October 05 2018, @10:22AM (#744568) Journal

                      You are still ignoring the most restrictive factor for Mars colonization: energy - the controllable kind and plenty.

                      Solar works on Mars. I bet we could get fission, geothermal, and (in Martian summer) wind too.

                      • (Score: 1) by Muad'Dave on Friday October 05 2018, @01:29PM (1 child)

                        by Muad'Dave (1413) on Friday October 05 2018, @01:29PM (#744600)

                        Solar works on Mars.

                        Except when there's a month long, planet-wide dust storm [space.com].

                        • (Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday October 06 2018, @12:36AM

                          by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Saturday October 06 2018, @12:36AM (#744866) Journal
                          It doesn't work as well during those month-long storms. Wind power probably would be a good supplement during those times.
                      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 05 2018, @06:17PM (2 children)

                        by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 05 2018, @06:17PM (#744744)

                        Mars' core is dead, how would you get geothermal?

                        • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 05 2018, @07:29PM

                          by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 05 2018, @07:29PM (#744764)

                          He said geothermal, not areothermal; Mars's core has nothing to do with it. There's plenty of heat differential to be tapped between Earth's surface and Earth's mantle, all you need is some really long and bendy heat-pipes to reach them from Mars.

                        • (Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday October 06 2018, @12:36AM

                          by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Saturday October 06 2018, @12:36AM (#744865) Journal
                          Heat differential between Mars's surface and deeper down. The core is frozen solid, but it still has considerable heat.
              • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Friday October 05 2018, @06:21AM

                by c0lo (156) on Friday October 05 2018, @06:21AM (#744530) Journal

                If we see a self-sufficient colony develop on Mars, what's stopping them from stockpiling weapons?

                We won't actually see one, not in our lifetime.

                But let's extrapolate. After they are self-sufficient, the problem is who has control over them?
                If, on top of self-sufficient, they can be independent (i.e. reasonable defend themselves), they'll not give a fuck about the treaties and will declare their independence. Then, it will be up to them if they'll sign or not the treaty.

                If they cannot be independent, it all depends on what control the states/govts on Earth have over the controlling entity.

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              • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Friday October 05 2018, @02:04PM

                by Phoenix666 (552) on Friday October 05 2018, @02:04PM (#744607) Journal

                I would. A lot of people would. Freedom and independence are innate compulsions. People strike out on their own because they feel stifled by orthodoxy where they are. Frontiers are hard, and many people die trying to tame them. The soft don't survive. But the allure, the promise of doing everything the way they want to do them, outweighs the risks.

                Mars and the rest of the solar system will probably be like that. Mars I could see becoming fabulously wealthy based on their proximity to all the resources of the asteroid belt, and as a way station for activities in the outer solar system.

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              • (Score: 2) by mrchew1982 on Friday October 05 2018, @04:44PM (1 child)

                by mrchew1982 (3565) on Friday October 05 2018, @04:44PM (#744687)

                Much more likely for people to colonize Antarctica, at least it has plenty of air!

            • (Score: 2) by zocalo on Friday October 05 2018, @11:53AM

              by zocalo (302) on Friday October 05 2018, @11:53AM (#744583)

              unless you allow for "incorporated in no-country" situations.

              Or incorporation in a state that isn't a signatory to the treaty, perhaps - the space age equivalent of a nautical flag of convenience. There are almost certainly at least a few non-signatories or countries that are yet to ratify the treaty that would seriously consider allowing a company to incorporate there in return for some financial considerations. Some of them might even be able to make some prime equatorial launch real estate available for the building of the spaceport too, come to that, which would probably be necessary in order to avoid getting blocked by trying to launch from a country that was a signatory.

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            • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday October 05 2018, @03:19PM (3 children)

              by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Friday October 05 2018, @03:19PM (#744642) Homepage Journal

              How long do you suppose that any earth bound nation-state will be able to apply any force way out there? I give it two to five generations, tops. Fifty to a hundred twenty five years. How many generations of English lived on the American continent, before they rebelled? The same sort of people will be leaving earth to live in space. They'll all have entries in their personnel files, "Does not play well with others." "Resents authority." "Religious nut." "Batshit crazy." "Bugfuck insane."

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              • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Friday October 05 2018, @05:17PM (2 children)

                by c0lo (156) on Friday October 05 2018, @05:17PM (#744703) Journal

                How long do you suppose that any earth bound nation-state will be able to apply any force way out there?

                Out there? Why?
                Since the Earth bound nation is responsible for what their minions are doing in space, you apply pressure on that nation.

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                • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Saturday October 06 2018, @12:38AM (1 child)

                  by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Saturday October 06 2018, @12:38AM (#744868) Homepage Journal

                  You're thinking short term and medium term. Long term. Like - more than a generation after people leave earth.

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                  • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Saturday October 06 2018, @12:41AM

                    by c0lo (156) on Saturday October 06 2018, @12:41AM (#744872) Journal

                    Long term, they don't need nukes. "Landing" asteroids on Earth is good enough.

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          • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday October 05 2018, @03:13PM

            by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Friday October 05 2018, @03:13PM (#744639) Homepage Journal

            Heinlein foresaw that, as did several other authors. There is no end to the wealthy individuals, and/or corporate interests in SF. The CoDominion among others lacked the personnel to do much more than guard it's outposts. Many of the planets were settled by civilian interests, with more colonists being forcefully exported from earth all the time. Once the Dominion Navy kicked the "settler's" asses off the ships, they were on their own.

            Among others, David Drake has planets run by religious entities. That's pretty lucrative for a mercenary. When two sects start warring about the proper color to wear at Easter time, real gun hands come into high demand.

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        • (Score: 1) by khallow on Friday October 05 2018, @10:32AM

          by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Friday October 05 2018, @10:32AM (#744570) Journal
          And 3. Anyone can withdraw from the treaty without consequence. They just need to give a year's warning.
      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 05 2018, @06:52AM (2 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 05 2018, @06:52AM (#744536)

        Weapons in space to not make a lot of sense:
        1. Fragile
        2. Unmaintainable
        3. Everyone knows exactly where they are
        4. RE: The moon, any weapon launched from the moon, besides being insanely expensive would take at best a day to reach Earth
        5. Easily defended against

        • (Score: 4, Informative) by deimtee on Friday October 05 2018, @11:00AM

          by deimtee (3272) on Friday October 05 2018, @11:00AM (#744578) Journal

          Debatable on 1. Wrong on 2, 3, 4, 5.
          You need to read The Moon is a Harsh Mistress by Robert Heinlein, He got the computers wrong, but the kinetic weapons stuff is spot on.*

          *as expected really. Mike was a massive extrapolation of 1960's mainframes. The kinetic weapons are just physics.
           

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        • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday October 05 2018, @03:29PM

          by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Friday October 05 2018, @03:29PM (#744647) Homepage Journal

          What deimtee says. The Lunies or the Belters toss a bunch of rocks at us. We all realize that there are more rocks up there, than there are nuclear weapons down here, right? In fact, there are more rocks up there, than we have weapons - full stop. Rocks in space are infinite, weapons on earth are finite. Those rocks don't need to reach earth quickly. It doesn't matter if it takes six months for a rock to reach earth, after being nudged in this direction. How ya gonna defend against hundreds, thousands, or even millions of inbound rocks? And, remember, the rocks are fire and forget. No one has to drive a rock, or babysit it, or even keep an eye on it.

          Your "insane expensive" may be applicable right now, today. Three generations in the future? Rail guns aren't really all that expensive.

          Once there are enough people in space to declare themselves a nation, it's Katy bar the door for any earth nations trying to impose their will on the spacers. Vacuum jockeys will have almost all the advantage, aside from monetary wealth. And, realize, it doesn't take money to kill people, or to kill cities. Just a bunch of rocks, a bunch of solar panels, and a good rail gun.

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      • (Score: 1) by khallow on Friday October 05 2018, @10:20AM

        by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Friday October 05 2018, @10:20AM (#744566) Journal

        There is a reason for that, there is a thing about weapons in space and private companies basiscly means that nukes will be in orbit as soon as development of moon bases starts

        Unless, of course, that doesn't happen.

    • (Score: 2) by realDonaldTrump on Friday October 05 2018, @04:48AM

      by realDonaldTrump (6614) on Friday October 05 2018, @04:48AM (#744507) Homepage Journal

      Our Space industry was forgotten for a long time. The rockets and everything else. Well, it's forgotten no more. We are going to have the Space Force. That one's coming in 2020. We couldn't get the money for this year, you'd be amazed how hard it is to get the money from Congress. That's like a full-time job. But trust me, we'll get it for 2020. Lot of money for Space Force. We're going to be having the best equipment ever known. And it's going to be tremendous for our workers. A lot of jobs, believe me. We weren't supposed to add manufacturing jobs, nobody thought we could do that. We've added 600,000. In less than two years. Something nobody expected. And if you asked me I would have said a much smaller number. Incredible!!!

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 05 2018, @04:28PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 05 2018, @04:28PM (#744676)

      Your key phrase "for profit ". Basically you've been waiting for capitalism which achieves nothing unless it can squeeze out a profit. You've also been waiting for trillion dollar companies which can drop a billion without sweating. Finally, you've been waiting for technology to make the whole endeavor cheaper/safer than it was 50 years ago.

  • (Score: 4, Funny) by MostCynical on Friday October 05 2018, @02:43AM (1 child)

    by MostCynical (2589) on Friday October 05 2018, @02:43AM (#744470) Journal

    next person on the moon sees nothing but a small card:

    "Sorry you were not here when we attempted to deliver your parcel. Please bring this card to your closest pick-up location to collect your parcel"

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    • (Score: 1) by gtomorrow on Friday October 05 2018, @08:32AM

      by gtomorrow (2230) on Friday October 05 2018, @08:32AM (#744556) Journal

      I waited all day for someone to make this (painfully obvious) observation! Thanks!

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 05 2018, @03:45AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 05 2018, @03:45AM (#744496)

    Amazon's Women on the Moon!

  • (Score: 0, Offtopic) by realDonaldTrump on Friday October 05 2018, @04:33AM (4 children)

    by realDonaldTrump (6614) on Friday October 05 2018, @04:33AM (#744503) Homepage Journal

    They put Modem into computer. Nobody thought they could ever do that. And they put computer into this beautiful, and very strong, leather case. Our computers industry and our cattle industry, our wonderful cattle ranchers, are working together -- PERFECTO.

    And you know, Coal is a big part of that too. Beautiful Clean Coal. I talk to the Coal miners, they love to mine Coal. They love the Coal. These are great people and they love not only beautiful, clean Coal, they love lots of other things we are doing well. West Virginia is back, a lot faster than even I thought it could happen. Backstage, I get hugged by miners, these massive guys. I say, so would you like to make computer widgets? Nope, we want to dig coal. They have no interest in delicate computer parts. Zero interest. But, without Coal you can't have computer. Can't happen, folks. We brought back Coal and it's making our whole Country MUCH STRONGER!!!

    • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Friday October 05 2018, @04:52AM (1 child)

      by c0lo (156) on Friday October 05 2018, @04:52AM (#744512) Journal

      They put Modem into computer. Nobody thought they could ever do that. And they put computer into this beautiful, and very strong, leather case. Our computers industry and our cattle industry, our wonderful cattle ranchers, are working together -- PERFECTO.

      You're tweeting on the wrong thread.

      That's not the Intel and HP thread, it's the Amazon and Moon one.
      You remember Bezos? The guy that bought WaPo? The one that wants to reach the Moon before you even get to hire those space cadets?

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      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0
      • (Score: 1, Offtopic) by realDonaldTrump on Friday October 05 2018, @05:08AM

        by realDonaldTrump (6614) on Friday October 05 2018, @05:08AM (#744519) Homepage Journal

        I'm not a big fan of @JeffBezos [twitter.com] or his #AmazonWashingtonPost [twitter.com] -- as everyone knows. But I'll tell you, I made him very very rich. When I made so many of our great companies very very rich. Amazon went to a trillion, it's our 2nd. trillion dollar company. And Jeff's the richest guy ever, he can light rockets every day. Not just the Fourth of July. Because of me -- and our incredible Republicans in Congress. We did the biggest Tax Cut in the history of the world. They wrote, over many years. I signed. And hopefully that one will become permanent. Working very hard! And by the way, we started our 2019 fiscal on Monday. Space Force starts 1 year from that!!!

    • (Score: 2) by realDonaldTrump on Friday October 05 2018, @04:52AM (1 child)

      by realDonaldTrump (6614) on Friday October 05 2018, @04:52AM (#744513) Homepage Journal

      Wow, for once the Off Topic Moderator is right!!! Sorry folks, there's something wacky going on!!

      • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday October 05 2018, @03:32PM

        by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Friday October 05 2018, @03:32PM (#744650) Homepage Journal

        Yes. You're going on.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 05 2018, @11:00AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 05 2018, @11:00AM (#744579)

    This is Amazon, remember. The cargo will never make it to the Moon. On a good day they'll just leave a card on Jupiter, saying that it couldn't be delivered.

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