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posted by Fnord666 on Tuesday March 17 2020, @11:52AM   Printer-friendly
from the sudden-impact dept.

A lot has already happened this year. SARS-CoV-2 (Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus 2) which can cause COVID-19 (COronaVIrus Disease 2019) has been making headlines shortly after it was first reported. The first cases were reported to WHO (World Health Organization) on 2019-12-31. The virus spread. It began as an epidemic in China . The world watched apprehensively. Reports surfaced of cases in other countries and the the apprehension grew. For many folk, it turned to fear when it was upgraded to a pandemic: WHO Director-General's opening remarks at the media briefing on COVID-19 - 11 March 2020: "We have therefore made the assessment that COVID-19 can be characterized as a pandemic."

We have seen increasing efforts to stem the spread of the disease. Efforts have run the gamut. Closing of borders. Cancellation of sporting events. Conferences cancelled. Churches and other places of worship also closed. Schools closed. Panic buying of household goods and supplies. Supply chain disruptions affecting manufacturers. Restaurant, bars, and other such establishments closed. Work-from-home policies established and enacted.

The changes have been many, widespread, and continuing.

Reading about all the ways that "other people" have been affected is one thing. It seems different, somehow, when it hits closer to home and affects us directly. With many of our usual social activities curtailed or cancelled, it is easy to begin isolating and lose perspective. SoylentNews arose from a troubled period (the SlashCott) and a community has formed from that challenging period.

How have you been affected? Have you been infected? Had a family member or friend who was? Helped neighbors who are struggling? Hunkering down and isolating? (In a basement is optional.) Are you suddenly working from home and finding it challenging to manage your time? Still working on site, but now have a faster commute due to all the other people staying home? Catching up on watching TV shows? Reading more SoylentNews? How has your life changed?

From a somewhat different perspective, how have others helped you to cope... and how have you been able to help others? One of the potential impacts of social distancing is isolation and depression. I count myself fortunate, indeed, to have served this site for over 6 years and for all the people I have gotten to know, here. For those who may not be aware, SoylentNews has its own IRC (Internet Relay Chat) server. Feel free to drop in to #Soylent and just say "Hi!"

Social distancing is permanent when you're dead. So, practice good hygiene and stay safe.

Previously (oldest first):
China Battles Coronavirus Outbreak: All the Latest Updates
2019-nCoV Coronavirus Story Roundup
Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) Roundup
Coronavirus Roundup
Coronavirus Roundup (Feb. 17)
Roundup of Stories about the SARS-CoV-2 Coronavirus and COVID-19 Disease
COVID-19 (SARS-CoV-2 - CoronaVirus) Roundup
CoronaVirus (SARS-CoV-2) Roundup 2020-03-12
Working from Home: Lessons Learned Over 20 Years


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  • (Score: 1, Flamebait) by barbara hudson on Wednesday March 18 2020, @12:00AM (28 children)

    by barbara hudson (6443) <barbara.Jane.hudson@icloud.com> on Wednesday March 18 2020, @12:00AM (#972559) Journal
    Anyone over 65 doesn't get a respirator even if they need it. They die. Triage can be a bitch, but with limited supplies, warehouses being converted to wards for the sick on camp cots, 12 years in jail if you break quarantine, panic is advised.
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  • (Score: 3, Informative) by quietus on Wednesday March 18 2020, @05:04AM (27 children)

    by quietus (6328) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday March 18 2020, @05:04AM (#972647) Journal

    I take it then that you can read/write and speak Italian, and have some sources to back this up?

    • (Score: 2) by janrinok on Wednesday March 18 2020, @07:41AM (26 children)

      by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday March 18 2020, @07:41AM (#972672) Journal

      Barbara doesn't believe in providing the evidence to back up her claims - she believes that the onus is upon you to find the evidence to support her statements. Trust me, don't go there, you might as well bang your head against a brick wall.

      • (Score: 2, Troll) by barbara hudson on Wednesday March 18 2020, @12:03PM (25 children)

        by barbara hudson (6443) <barbara.Jane.hudson@icloud.com> on Wednesday March 18 2020, @12:03PM (#972721) Journal
        That's right - I'll tell you where to look, but you have to move your fat fingers to do your own research. There's plenty of reports on the guardian. Go do your own research. You should not take anything I or anyone else says on the Internet as true. And you should not assume that any link anyone provides is without bias. Do your own research , make your own judgment calls. Anyone who tells you to do otherwise is pushing a personal agenda (which is exactly what you are doing now).

        You've been caught out, now own up to it.

        For everyone else following along wondering WTF this is about, the poster I'm replying to keeps insisting that it is somehow my duty to provide links, specifically to a claim that Iber was stupid enough to think that they could implement their self driving cat code in JavaScript, because JavaScript coders are cheap and plentiful . I told him to look on a discussion about Uber layoffs on slashdot a year or two ago, but he keeps giving excuses as to why he won't do that , makes up shit as to why it probably won't be satisfactory anyway without actually looking at it first, and doesn't get that it's not my problem if he can't find other proof.

        I'll say it again - people proffer biased links that confirm their narratives all the time. I prefer to tell people to do their own research and make their own judgments, same as we do all the time in the real world, where we either trust the statement or do research. If I tell you there was a car accident outside, you can either believe me or go look for yourself. But don't demand that I provide a link to prove it because you're too lazy to go outside to look. If I tell you that bananas are on sale this week, don't go all Internet lawyer and demand a link - it's no skin off my nose if you miss out on the bargain. You can get off your ass and go check it out in person, or not. I am under no obligation to go home and get the store flyer and send you pictures.

        Just because you can't find out something without it being in the first 10 results in a search engine doesn't mean it isn't true. There's plenty on the Internet that search engines won't expose. A search engine web interface that only returns the top 1,000 results is gonna miss a LOT. Sometimes you have to do actual research, sometimes you have to get hold of someone familiar with the problem, sometimes you have to accept that not everything is accessible by a search engine.

        That's life. Janrinok either can't or won't accept that, and keeps wanting to play Internet lawyer and internet cop at the same time . I told him where to look, " rel="url2html-21324">https://soylentnews.org/comments.pl?noupdate=1&sid=36486&page=1&cid=970177#commentwrap> here is his refusal to do so. How is that my problem? Hint - it's not.

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        • (Score: 2) by barbara hudson on Wednesday March 18 2020, @12:07PM (6 children)

          by barbara hudson (6443) <barbara.Jane.hudson@icloud.com> on Wednesday March 18 2020, @12:07PM (#972723) Journal
          fixed link to the whiner's excuses [soylentnews.org] My apologies.
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          • (Score: 2, Insightful) by khallow on Wednesday March 18 2020, @03:26PM (5 children)

            by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday March 18 2020, @03:26PM (#972776) Journal
            So you bother to link to that, but not supporting evidence?
            • (Score: 2) by barbara hudson on Thursday March 19 2020, @05:02PM (4 children)

              by barbara hudson (6443) <barbara.Jane.hudson@icloud.com> on Thursday March 19 2020, @05:02PM (#973247) Journal

              That's right. I link to what I want, when I feel like it. I am under NO obligation to do other people's research on topics that are external to here.

              And people who stupidly insist that I have to, and try to play both internet lawyer and internet cop, show me the RFC that requires me to, or STFU.

              The bone of contention was what language Uber was trying to implement their self driving car software in. There's a simple solution - let him tell us what they are "really using". After all, by his own self-professed internet cop/internet lawyer standards, he's made a claim and now he has to back it up with links.

              On a side note, I'm really, really disappointed that the latest "Call of the Wild" (the one with Harrison Ford) used a man in a suit instead of a real dog. No wonder it looks creepy in close-up, according to early reviews.

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              • (Score: 1) by khallow on Friday March 20 2020, @09:02PM (3 children)

                by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Friday March 20 2020, @09:02PM (#973621) Journal

                I am under NO obligation to do other people's research on topics that are external to here.

                Nobody is under anyone's obligation to do any research at all. But it saves time if you do the research instead of dozens of readers. It's also support of your assertions that you can readily provide.

                • (Score: 2) by barbara hudson on Friday March 20 2020, @09:17PM (2 children)

                  by barbara hudson (6443) <barbara.Jane.hudson@icloud.com> on Friday March 20 2020, @09:17PM (#973627) Journal

                  As I've pointed out, there is always a bias from any citation anyone makes. I'll cite the CBC and the Guardian, someone else will cite LGF and the Daily Stormer. It's not always possible for me to provide citations, in some cases because my eyesight goes so I have to give up, in other cases, because it's not indexed by search engines (such as comments).

                  In such cases, people are free to either do their own research (always a good thing imo). After all, they might find something they wish to share that would have been ignored if they had just followed a link.

                  There's a balance, and I do provide links when I can, but if everything suddenly goes completely illegible, I can't, so I won't. And in other cases, such as COVID19, I referred them to the guardian site because there is simply no link that won't be obsolete within hours, sometimes within minutes. Not like opinion pieces, which can hang around for days.

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                  • (Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday March 21 2020, @01:35AM (1 child)

                    by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Saturday March 21 2020, @01:35AM (#973704) Journal

                    It's not always possible for me to provide citations, in some cases because my eyesight goes so I have to give up, in other cases, because it's not indexed by search engines (such as comments).

                    Even when that happens, don't rub salt in the wound by citing [soylentnews.org] the disagreement instead.

                    • (Score: 2) by barbara hudson on Saturday March 21 2020, @02:25AM

                      by barbara hudson (6443) <barbara.Jane.hudson@icloud.com> on Saturday March 21 2020, @02:25AM (#973712) Journal
                      Scroll up a few parents to the link you just gave. See that janrinok was the one who started the whole mess with an off-topic post taking a cheap shot at me. He's been going on in several threads from several articles, claiming that it is my obligation to supply links. There's no such obligation anywhere on the Internet.

                      I think it's a good idea to encourage people to do their own searches; I don't think it's a good idea for anyone to try to outright lie because they can't stand that someone disagrees with their need for everyone to conform to a non-existent standard. The lying - about never visiting slashdot because he doesn't want to be accused of plagiarism - and in the next sentence stating that he checked 3 years worth of headlines was wacko behaviour over something that nobody else gives a crap about - not even Uber.

                      To then claim he didn't visit the site because he used a python3 script to scrape the headlines is an outright lie. Visiting the site can be done with a browser, a script, or whatever.

                      The whole was misdirection theatre because I never claimed it was in any story, but in the comments, which google probably doesn't index anyway. More dishonest argument.

                      And then to lie by saying I said it was "in the Guardian Newspaper " - well, I have never even seen a copy of the newspaper. Just the site and app. And I never ever said it was in the Guardian. Just another attempt to put up a smokescreen of misdirection.

                      There's something not right about all this behaviour. It's obviously personal for him.

                      But emailing me at 1:10 in the morning, rather than posting his latest attempt at justifying his gonzo behaviour, that really took it up a notch. It was cowardly. A stupid attempt to avoid public scrutiny of his latest "justifications."

                      Most people don't look into the psychological aspect of this behaviour - I find it fascinating. Why does someone need to play internet cop and insist I have a duty to post links? Do they do that in real life - pick nonsense fights over nonsense questions? Is it a form of aggression? Or just a need for "everything following the same routine?" (a la aspies and people with OCD, or is it something else?)

                      Is there a way to run experiments to probe what lies behind it? Would it even be ethical without informed consent? Or can the same data be gleaned by observation only? The tech world is not normal, but observing how abnormal behaviour diverges from the norm can give us a better understanding of both worlds. But is even that ethical without informed consent ? And will such knowledge of itself alter the behaviour , like how people are more likely to wash their hands when someone else is also in the washrooms?

                      People are fascinating.

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        • (Score: 2) by janrinok on Wednesday March 18 2020, @12:24PM (14 children)

          by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday March 18 2020, @12:24PM (#972730) Journal

          There's plenty of reports on the guardian. Go do your own research.

          So presumably you have found the links - but you still refuse to provide them? Thank you for your invaluable contribution.

          • (Score: 2) by barbara hudson on Thursday March 19 2020, @03:58PM (13 children)

            by barbara hudson (6443) <barbara.Jane.hudson@icloud.com> on Thursday March 19 2020, @03:58PM (#973212) Journal

            The situation is changing hourly, and the site is updated much more often - why limit yourself to any link I post, which will be outdated withing an hour, when you can get fresh, up-to-date information just as easily?

            Or are you really that determined not to continue peddling your silliness. Go back and re-read your excuse for not going to slashdot for the information. So childish. You want it from somewhere else "because". So you're cutting your nose off to spite your face. But it's still no skin off my nose.

            Keep it up - I'm the one encouraging people to do their own research, and not trust anyone's links because people can be selective in the links they post. You're against this. Why?

            Anyone who's worked for a search engine knows the limitations of even the biggest ones. Most stuff isn't findable via search, because algorithms and site limitations. I ran into google's 1,000 search results maximum a few times when looking for information that I knew existed, because they had it before, but it had been pushed out of the top 1,000 (have they fixed that "feature" yet?).

            BTW, since you claim to be so smart, what was Uber using to develop their self-driving car software? c? ada? cobol? pascal? programmable fpga's? Java? Since you claim it's not javascript, as was revealed in the discussion threads on slashdot, you must know what it is. Or say you don't know, and it could be anything, including javascript.

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            • (Score: 2) by janrinok on Thursday March 19 2020, @04:22PM (12 children)

              by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Thursday March 19 2020, @04:22PM (#973224) Journal

              As a founder member of this site which we created because Slashdot didn't want us - the majority here who remember those times are of the same opinion as I. As we say - 'Fuck Beta'. As an Editor we have to ensure that we cannot be accused of plagiarism - we do this by not visiting the site - period.

              However, I have been through all of the story titles on that site which contain the word Uber or Javascript from Jan 2017 until today. None of them appear to be discussing writing the control software for a vehicle using javascript. So, as far as any reasonable search would suggest, it was not a discussion topic. Now, if you are suggesting it was in a comment and that I should go back and search all the comments - you are simply being obstructive. Javascript WAS used for the display of their ride hailing app, their driver/rider control display, and was used for one display that could have been used - but apparently never was - in a vehicle. That is not the same as what you claimed. Javascript was never suggested as a real time operating system that was used to control a car in any of the material I have searched. I have spent over 3 hours searching for the link you claim is easy to find.

              BTW, since you claim to be so smart, what was Uber using to develop their self-driving car software? c? ada? cobol? pascal? programmable fpga's? Java? Since you claim it's not javascript, as was revealed in the discussion threads on slashdot, you must know what it is. Or say you don't know, and it could be anything, including javascript.

              I never said I did know what they were using. But such a task would require a real-time operating system with more than the 2 interrupts that javascript has on offer. You made the claim that it was being used, not I. You may have simply misunderstood what was being discussed, or misread the article that you refuse to provide a link to.

              As I said - thank you for your "invaluable contribution". I was quite prepared comment no further, but seeing that you commented to me, I have politely replied. However, as you have failed to prove your claim I will quite happily ignore your comments from now on.

              • (Score: 2) by barbara hudson on Thursday March 19 2020, @05:27PM (11 children)

                by barbara hudson (6443) <barbara.Jane.hudson@icloud.com> on Thursday March 19 2020, @05:27PM (#973253) Journal

                First, I never said it was a good idea, just that they were trying to do it that way. That's why everyone was laughing at Uber for being so stupid. Duh!

                Second, as someone else just pointed out here [soylentnews.org], burden of proof is not a thing.

                Third, your status as a founder/editor looks like an attempt at argument from authority. It's kind of irrelevant, and you just contradicted yourself in this post:

                we do this by not visiting the site - period.

                However, I have been through all of the story titles on that site

                Those two statements are contradictory. Either the first one is true, and the second one false, or vice versa, or neither is true, but most certainly they can't both be true. I'll do you the courtesy of letting you pick one of the three possible options, but I've got to say, it doesn't look good from here.

                You can always prove me wrong (won't be the first time) by practicing what you preach - post a link with information as to what Uber was actually using when they laid off the first 400 engineers.

                I'm not the one requiring any proof from you one way or another - but you're the self-appointed internet cop who says a link is necessary to back up a claim. You claim it wasn't javascript - prove it.

                Or just drop it. Because WTF is wrong with you that this is so important anyway?

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                • (Score: 2) by janrinok on Thursday March 19 2020, @05:55PM (9 children)

                  by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Thursday March 19 2020, @05:55PM (#973256) Journal

                  First, I never said it was a good idea, just that they were trying to do it that way. That's why everyone was laughing at Uber for being so stupid. Duh!

                  But you said there was a newspaper report and discussion - you did not demonstrate that it actually occurred or what was said. Hence the request for you to provide a link so that we can ALL see what was actually said.

                  Second, as someone else just pointed out here [soylentnews.org], burden of proof is not a thing.

                  I do not believe that the opinion of a single AC (who, let's be fair, could be you) should actually replace the standards that this site tries to maintain and which are common in all scientific or technical debate.

                  However, I have been through all of the story titles on that site

                  It's you who has not thought this out. I have written a program in python-3 using selenium which I used to scrape all the titles from Jan 1 2017 until today. If Slashdot's own search cannot find it that is a fair indication that they haven't got it. I have not read any articles.

                  but most certainly they can't both be true.

                  As I have explained, the next option is that your assumption is wrong - which in this case it is.

                  You claim it wasn't javascript - prove it.

                  Don't be silly, I haven't claimed it was anything at all. YOU made the claim - and you now cannot or will not prove it. I can only surmise why you cannot/will not find the link that would so easily solve this problem. I am also prepared to accept that it occurred, but we have seen absolutely nothing to suggest that it did.

                  There is nothing more to discuss. You are not, in my personal opinion, a reliable commenter and I will be taking your comments with a huge bucket of salt in the future. I'm sure that will not concern you in the slightest.

                  Thank you for your views.

                  • (Score: 2) by barbara hudson on Thursday March 19 2020, @11:24PM (8 children)

                    by barbara hudson (6443) <barbara.Jane.hudson@icloud.com> on Thursday March 19 2020, @11:24PM (#973335) Journal

                    But you said there was a newspaper report

                    Another lame attempt at misdirection, this time with a TOTAL LIE ON YOUR PART.

                    It's you who has not thought this out. I have written a program in python-3 using selenium which I used to scrape all the titles from Jan 1 2017 until today. If Slashdot's own search cannot find it that is a fair indication that they haven't got it. I have not read any articles.

                    And again, another lame attempt at misdirection. You claimed that you avoid the site completely to avoid any claims of plagarism, and yet somehow scraping and reading the results is "completely avoiding the site." You're so full of shit at this point it's not funny.

                    You made the claim that I was wrong. That is also a claim. According to your opwn standards, you have to either back up your claim or retract it.

                    You are not, in my personal opinion, a reliable commenter and I will be taking your comments with a huge bucket of salt in the future.

                    Aha - a convert! I've been urging everyone to do the same thing - do their own research. Nice to see you admit I'm right.

                    And as I've said repeatedly, I don't care what you think, I have zero obligation to prove anything to you. But you've been caught out in blatant lies, and I've bookmarked this for future use, because after all, you're the one who insisted on hijacking a thread in an article on COVID-19 to make a personal attack on me [soylentnews.org] and my policy on not providing links, just guidelines and letting people do their own research.

                    Obviously, you're pretty stupid to stoop to such attacks so publicly. Whine all you want - you made your bed, you sleep in it.

                    BTW - I notice you have not been able to come up with a single argument against my policy of urging people to educate themselves and form their own opinions by doing their own research rather than trusting proffered links that can reflect the biases of the poster. Stupid troll.

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                    • (Score: 2) by janrinok on Friday March 20 2020, @05:08AM (7 children)

                      by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Friday March 20 2020, @05:08AM (#973413) Journal

                      Final reply sent by DM. There is nothing to be gained by continuing this pointless discussion.

                      • (Score: 2) by barbara hudson on Friday March 20 2020, @08:57PM (6 children)

                        by barbara hudson (6443) <barbara.Jane.hudson@icloud.com> on Friday March 20 2020, @08:57PM (#973617) Journal

                        Janrinok was too cowardly to reply here, so he instead sent this via email from a no-reply address.

                        The stuff in blockquotes is him quoting me. His "rebuttals" are in plain text. My comments are in italics.

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                        Our discussion is filling up a thread on an entirely different topic.

                        (janrinok was the one who posted a completely off-topic shot at me under one of my on-topic posts. Further on, he accuses others of going off-topic, but wasn't happy at all when I pointed out his hypocrisy. Just another example of how he's lost it.

                        My final reply is here:

                        Another lame attempt at misdirection, this time wth a TOTAL LIE ON YOUR PART.

                        You said it was reported in the Guardian, and that I should go and search pm a search engine. But you cannot substantiate that either.

                        Mistaking the guardian for slashdot??? I'm half blind, and I don't make that mistake. I never said that the Uber thing was on the Guardian. Ever. I have always been quite clear that it was in comments on a slashdot article. I also think it's a lie when he claims that his scraping 3 years of headlines from slashdot in the sentence immediately after claiming that he never goes to slashdot to avoid plagerism claims, is somehow not visiting a site. Whether it's a web browser or a script, it's still visiting the site.

                        Also, kind of pointless to scrape 3 years of headlines when I've repeatedly said it was in the comments. This is far beyond disingenuous.

                        I've made it a point lately to tell other people to do their own research; don't take my word or janrinok's word, or anyone else's word, or link, as the final authority. This is the internet, FFS. I'll say it again - do your own research. If you can't find something, that's not my problem.

                        Search engines don't make the vast majority of the data they scrape off the Internet available for free. If you can't find it via a search engine, it just means that you can't find it via a search engine. It doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

                        You claimed that you avoid the site completely to avoid any claims of plagiarism

                        I am trying to get to the bottom your your claim - if you have a better solution then I would have been pleased to hear it. If it is true then it is probably worth a story on its own right.

                        Seriously? Trying to justify a lie by claiming to do detective work on defunct software? Hey, keep an eye out, there might be some more Atari carts buried in the desert! You're not the "internet police.: Get over yourself already.

                        -if you have a better solution than I would be pleased to hear it.

                        ( And another lie - I proposed an extremely simple solution - he can post evidence of what Uber was using at the time they did their first round of software engineers. But he doesn't, because his motivation is not to settle the question, but something a bit more sinister.

                        I say that IF IT MATTERS ALL THAT MUCH TO YOU, do your own research. It's not my problem, and I'm not about to go all OCD like janrinok searching for near-worthless shit, doing it on a site he claims he will never visit, and searching in the wrong place - the story titles, not the comments. It's the fucking internet, ffs. Get some perspective. It's obsolete information. But if you think it's relevant, why not tell us what they were using at the time instead of scraping slashdot titles that you never visit.

                        I can see it now - guy claims he didn't access aa website with KP because he scraped it instead of using a web browser ... nobody will buy it.

                        It's the same as criticism that I didn't post a link to the guardian about COVID-19. I made my reason quite clear when I was again criticized by Mr Intenet Cop. Any link would be out of date within minutes, since they are doing almost continuous updates, so just visit the site for the latest and best news.

                        But no, that is somehow "wrong." He has continually ragged on me not posting links to everything. And I've been clear - show me the RFC that requires it, or STFU.

                        I stopped posting links to everything one evening when I tried to, and everything in my field of view went completely unreadable. That was at the beginning of the month, when my "better" eye bled, ruining the work I had put in to training my vision to work despite the diseased retinas, the holes and edemas in the retinas, the distortions, the cataracts that may be too risky to operate on ... I said to myself "There has to be a better way." And there is:

                        1. Every time you choose to cite a link, you can't help but have it reflect your internal biases. The site you got it from and the content can't help but reflect your biases. I'll cite the CBC and the Guardian, others will cite LGF (Little Green Footballs - are they still around?) and The Daily Stormer. Obviously this reflects two different world views.

                        2. So why not encourage people, if it matters so much to them, to do their own research free of any bias from me, and let them make their own decisions, same is we do in the real world.

                        Real-world example: I claim that bananas are on sale. If someone asks me for a link, I'm not going to go home and take a picture of the store flyer to "prove" it. Either take my word for it and pick up some bananas on sale, like normal people do, or miss out on the sale because I won't provide "proof" (and obviously not everything on the internet is true, so again, you have to use YOUR judgment).

                        So if someone goes all medieval and says I have to provide a link, I'll point out "No, I don't."

                        I still provide links when I can, when they are relevant, and when it's something interesting. Nobody normal is interested in Uber's defunct self-driving car software - they've laid off the devs and moved on. And it's not that important to me whether Janrinok or anyone else believes that Uber originally tried to do it in Javascript. It's only important to someone with an ulterior agenda.

                        And emailing me with more bullshit, instead of posting it in the thread, where his statements can be judged in context, is the act of a coward who knows he's been caught out multiple times.

                        Seriously, WTF is your problem, dude?

                        Your judgment has been superseded by your need to have a certain order - that the internet must work a certain way, that people HAVE to provide links, and you threw a wobbly when I said No, it's not my job."

                        Dude, do you think it's normal for you scrape 3 years worth of headlines off slashdot to try to "prove" something, a task that you should have realized was doomed to failure since I repeatedly said it was in the comments, not the story? Or did you somehow "manage" to forget that it's in the comments, despite my repeating it multiple times?

                        What makes this interesting to me is the human aspect - that someone can be so desperate to preserve "the order", including the imaginary requirement that people have to post links, that they mis-remember things that don't fit into their narrative of the world, and go to extremes like scraping slashdot for 3 years of headlines.

                        Most sites would consider that rude behaviour. Some would make it an outright ToS violation. And for what, exactly???

                        emailing me at 2 in the morning instead of replying in the thread ON SUCH A USELESS TOPIC is nuts and cowardly. You've been caught out in multiple lies. Not my problem. Just stop trying to prove I'm the liar.

                        I've gotten used to people acting weird wrt me. This is far from the worst, but it's definitely a strange reaction. Check your motivations.

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                        • (Score: 2) by janrinok on Saturday March 21 2020, @07:36AM (5 children)

                          by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Saturday March 21 2020, @07:36AM (#973758) Journal

                          janrinok was too cowardly to reply here, so he instead sent this via email from a no-reply address.

                          You are now trolling:

                          Read the last line of that message - it is my email address. You are still trying to recover from digging yourself into a hole. But, in case you claim you cannot now find it - my email as everyone here probably knows is janrinok (at) soylentnews (dot) org.

                          I am NOT going to clutter up this thread by responding to your trolling, whinging and complaining. I do not believe anything you now say because you cannot/will not substantiate the claims that you have made. I will respond to you via email. You could have prevented all of this by simply providing the source of your claim.

                          • (Score: 2) by barbara hudson on Sunday March 22 2020, @12:52AM (3 children)

                            by barbara hudson (6443) <barbara.Jane.hudson@icloud.com> on Sunday March 22 2020, @12:52AM (#973978) Journal

                            First, when you scraped slashdot, you violated their robots.txt policy, which can be found here [slashdot.org] since you want links so much. I've bolded the applicable lines:

                            User-agent: *
                            Disallow: /authors.pl
                            Disallow: /index.pl
                            Disallow: /comments.pl
                            Disallow: /firehose.pl
                            Disallow: /journal.pl
                            Disallow: /messages.pl
                            Disallow: /metamod.pl
                            Disallow: /users.pl
                            Disallow: /search.pl
                            Disallow: /submit.pl
                            Disallow: /pollBooth.pl
                            Disallow: /pubkey.pl
                            Disallow: /topics.pl
                            Disallow: /zoo.pl
                            Disallow: /palm
                            Disallow: /slashdot-it.pl
                            Disallow: slashdot-it.pl
                            Disallow: authors.pl
                            Disallow: index.pl

                            There's more to the file, but the bold parts are the relevant parts.

                            What you did was called "unauthorized access to a protected computer." The computer was protected from script robots by the robots.txt file (aka the robots exclusionary standard). Your access was illegal under Title 8 of the Patriot Act, as well as being a real dick move.

                            As for your email, you sent it from noreply@soylentnews.org. And you did it again today. Sedriously, WTF is wrong with you? Or are you going to deny that you sent it from a noreply address, because people look at the sender, since that's the canonical address for the sender, unless it's been spoofed.

                            But that's okay, anything from noreply@soylentnews.org is now flagged as junk. And checking my junk folder, your latest message has only noreply@soylentnews.org.

                            To add insult to injury, you sent an .odt file. Why would I want to carry around an app to read ODT files? My email app does plain text just fine (doesn't even do html, but at least I can still read the content).

                            I can picture this latest stupidity:

                            Me: I don't do odt. I don't do doc or docx. I don't do wp, pdf, swf, xls, or whatever.

                            You: But everyone does ODT.

                            Me: So? I'm not everyone. Text only.

                            You: But what if someone wants to send you something important?

                            Me: From a noreply address? Can't be that important, at least not to me. Tons of spam from noreply addresses. And certainly I don't expect anything important from you, just more lies and stupidity. You started this in public and off-topic, it's going to continue in public until you stop, because your behaviour is off the wall.

                            What a dope. Are you going senile? You mistake the guardian for slashdot, you illegally scrape slashdot headlines and not the comments even though I was quite clear it was in the comments, you now want any further discussion out of the public eye ...

                            Now THAT is a story! Maybe I should submit it .... but nah, you just keep playing internet cop - it'll keep you off the streets, and with Covid-19 and France on lock-down, the french would probably consider it a public service :-)

                            Try not to step in it any more, mkay?

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                            • (Score: 2) by janrinok on Sunday March 22 2020, @08:10AM (2 children)

                              by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Sunday March 22 2020, @08:10AM (#974057) Journal

                              To add insult to injury, you sent an .odt file.

                              You included bold, italics and other formatting. What format would you prefer people to use?

                              Your access was illegal under Title 8 of the Patriot Act,

                              Fortunately, that is a US law. I will await the extradition request, but ....

                              ... I didn't access any of the the links you provided in the robots.txt. I accessed only https://slashdot.com. [slashdot.com.] Wherever they subsequently redirect anything is not anything I can control. Most of those links are to Perl files/directories which I most certainly wouldn't want. Selenium creates a virtual browser and accesses a site like any other user could but with the ability to enter data into fields or press buttons etc.

                              Other recipients of that email had my email address as the sender - janrinok (at) soylentnews (dot) org, (that is obfuscated here of course, but I'm sure you know that). I would check your email settings.

                              • (Score: 2) by barbara hudson on Sunday March 22 2020, @07:37PM (1 child)

                                by barbara hudson (6443) <barbara.Jane.hudson@icloud.com> on Sunday March 22 2020, @07:37PM (#974215) Journal

                                So you admit that you purposefully didn't even try to look at any comments, even though I was quite specific that it was in the comments. You're losing it mentally. Same as for some reason you claimed I said it was in the Guardian newspaper, when I've never in my life seen a copy of that newspaper, and haven't been able to read newspapers for years.

                                I've already offered to send a copy to TMB of your email. It displays as noreply@soylentnews.org. But nice to know you were sending it to others as well - so now you can't even accuse me of some sort of unfairness for posting the contents. And thanks for also confirming that you were in fact the sender, and not someone pretending to be you.

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                                • (Score: 2) by janrinok on Monday March 23 2020, @08:39AM

                                  by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Monday March 23 2020, @08:39AM (#974364) Journal

                                  So you admit that you purposefully didn't even try to look at any comment

                                  Because there are thousands if not millions of comments on /. - without a clue which story to look at I would have to scrape and read everyone of them. All because you are unable to provide any source to support your claim.

                                  There's plenty of reports on the guardian [soylentnews.org]

                                  You wrote that - you know this because it was in the email that I sent and I know that you received it because you are quoting from it. Then you say "when I've never in my life seen a copy of that newspaper, and haven't been able to read newspapers for years". Two of us took you at your word - which you are now denying you even said. But you have the temerity to call me a liar or suffering from a mental defect. It is there in the link. You seem to be having no problem reading the comments here - I suggest that you could easily use the same method to read the Guardian.

                                  But nice to know you were sending it to others as well - so now you can't even accuse me of some sort of unfairness for posting the contents.

                                  You have accused me of being a liar. I am not. Why send it to TMB - he has nothing to do with my editorial role? If you want to go the senior person currently available on site address it to Deucalion / Juggs. The Editor-in-Chief is Martyb. I will send my emails to whomever I like as we often do. We depend on communication because we are all widely dispersed over every continent. The emails received by other staff here have the correct sender address. The problem appears to be at your end, but I will ask the email specialists at SN to investigate further.

                                  Yet despite me giving you my email address multiple times (janrinok (at) soylentnews (dot) org) you still seem to want to come on here accusing others of being liars and trying to score points rather than communicating directly. We have been asked to stop this discussion in this thread. You have lost this argument in the opinion of many although you will undoubtedly have your own supporters. Your word cannot be trusted, as even the links in this comment demonstrate.

                                  If you wish to continue to protest - send me an email or put something in your journal. Please leave this thread for the story under discussion.

                          • (Score: 2) by barbara hudson on Sunday March 22 2020, @01:01AM

                            by barbara hudson (6443) <barbara.Jane.hudson@icloud.com> on Sunday March 22 2020, @01:01AM (#973982) Journal
                            BTW, you asked in you first email if I could propose a simple solution, and I had already done so, several times, even before that - tell us what Uber was using before their first round of engineer layoffs. Substantiate YOU claim of STFU, you lying hypocrite.

                            Nobody else is making such a fuss that I don't always post links. You have OCD or what?

                            Or you can show me the RFC that states that I have to post links. Too bad there isn't one.

                            Or the site policy saying that I have to post links for comments. I don't see one, not here, not anywhere else.

                            Bloody internet nazi.

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                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 22 2020, @08:07PM

                  by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 22 2020, @08:07PM (#974223)

                  Second, as someone else just pointed out here [soylentnews.org], burden of proof is not a thing.

                  Apparently you are immune to all forms of sarcasm and satire.
                  As the author of that post, I have the happy duty to inform you I was mocking you.

        • (Score: 2) by quietus on Wednesday March 18 2020, @02:14PM (1 child)

          by quietus (6328) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday March 18 2020, @02:14PM (#972756) Journal

          The poster you accuse of being a whiner is, well, let's say, he belongs to the bedrock of this site. I respect him, and trust him; he does not need to prove himself at all.

          • (Score: 2) by barbara hudson on Thursday March 19 2020, @04:58PM

            by barbara hudson (6443) <barbara.Jane.hudson@icloud.com> on Thursday March 19 2020, @04:58PM (#973245) Journal

            Except that he being a hypocrite. He claims that I somehow "need' to post links to the discussion where it was revealed that Uber was using javascript ... but oh noes, not slashdot. That's childish. He keeps saying I have to prove it with links, but he won't prove that they're using something else.

            Read his excuses.

            And then think about our different approaches. I say "don't trust anyone's links. Do your own research, make your own evaluation. People can pick links that are biased towards their viewpoint. They do it all the time." He says "post links." Like you should trust any link anyone posts uncritically.

            Also, links get obsolete really fast. Shallow khallow criticized me for not posting a link to the guardian, insted telling people to go there to look. I pointed out to him that the site is updated several times an hour with the latest information on things like COVID-19 and anything I link to will be obsolete within minutes, so use the source, luke, use the source.

            This is not rocket science. But people have become lazy and want everything spoon-fed to them. OMG if they have to actually read something on their own!

            No wonder so many people fall for scams like colloidal silver curing COVID-19.

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        • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 18 2020, @05:31PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 18 2020, @05:31PM (#972835)

          Can we just mod this spam? At this point I think it qualifies.